Prove to me.... (622)
RillyNiceGuy: Here is a positive assertion. God does exist! Prove that statement is in error. or repeat the cop out!
I aint seen a God
Never felt him or her We don't have enough data to prove this anyways. And miracles are just that, something extraordinary that we are conditioned to believe that it's God's work. It's normal stuff in this universe and in our realties. We just have not accepted it yet.
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NeWildflower: It was an ignorant comment crotus! The type of comment than an uneducated idiot would make. But really, no offense intended.
Do explain
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Shedman01: No worries you did just fine.
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Be a fellow scientist and provide proof that supports the non-existence. That's all it really is.
I do truly appreciate the obvious time your spent to provide your thoughts and I greatly appreciate them they were wonderful to read and made a great deal of sense to me as well.me
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Be a fellow scientist and provide proof that supports the non-existence. That's all it really is.
I do truly appreciate the obvious time your spent to provide your thoughts and I greatly appreciate them they were wonderful to read and made a great deal of sense to me as well.me
Shed, I'd love to add more, but it's after 2am here now and I really should be in bed. My brain is fried and I doubt I could adequately respond as I would want to.
Thank you for your kind words, though....I'll check this again tomorrow and see what comes in during my sleep.
Next topic: The Meaning of Life. (Someone is bound to say "42"!)
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Aries01:
I have first hand experience of healing..... its real... it happens..
I know healings are real I have first hand experience in performing them , I also know there was nothing supernatural about them I have first hand experience of healing..... its real... it happens..
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krimsa: Yes, try explaining that to an insulin dependant diabetic. Medical science has limitations. So does pure faith.
Limits expand by open minded people who have the faith and resources to achieve scientific breakthroughs. Scientific breakthroughs expands our consciousness and changes our paradigms of what is possible and not possible.
Believe and act!
But true in the now, both have limitations. If we limit ourselves with negative-narrow minded thoughts, then faith, science, and humanity might as well just be a non factor.
Bruce Lee used pure faith in himself to heal from paralysis...in 6 months. The doctor told him he'd never be able to walk again, he thought otherwise. Belief and faith and assuming that he'd be better. In related news, I have not been sick in 10 years, and I heal fast if I am injured...
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Shedman01:
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc,....
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc,....
My best answer is If the Christian God existed there would be no cancer. There is cancer so there is no God.
In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.
In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.
Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.
Peace
Historical Gods -
the ancient Egyptians believed in their gods so fervently that they built massive structures like the Great Pyramid -- still today one of the largest and most enduring human constructions ever created. Despite that fervor, however, we know with complete certainty today that the Egyptian gods were imaginary. We don't build pyramids anymore and we do not mummify our leaders.
More recently we know that tens of millions of Romans worshiped Zeus and his friends, and to them they built magnificent temples. The ruins of these temples are popular tourist attractions even today. Yet we know with complete certainty that these gods were imaginary because no one worships Zeus any more.
Much more recently, we know that the Aztec civilization believed in their gods so intensely that they constructed huge temples and pyramids. In addition, Aztecs were so zealous that they were sacrificing hundreds of human beings to their gods as recently as the 16th century.
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crotalus_p: I know healings are real I have first hand experience in performing them , I also know there was nothing supernatural about them
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Aries01: In Jesus time the pharisees... did not believe...even though they stood there and watched Jesus perform amazing miracles... sadly there are some people who just don't BELIEVE.. the key is faith I think... cause even if it was possible to call on Jesus in person introduce him to each individual non-believer.. AND get him to raise the dead before their eyes...well.. they still wouldn't believe ...
Luke 16:31
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I do not have to prove it to you or anyone who does not want God. Those who want god already have their proof.
If you ever learned enough (which you can not...you are not able) to understand Revelation you would see God's warnings unfold in the daily papers. In time to come shall things unfold that you will not be warned of....but those of the children of God have been warned.....but you will never have your proof because you are not his.
You must have faith first to have the proof....without faith their is no rightousness and without it there is no understanding of spiritual things. Who says we should prove anything to those lost and without desire. If you want it...you will find it......or you will never find it because you desire not. You are blind to the proof all around you......the created denies the creator. Show us your God of first existance and big bang that are words of men, who can't even hold their soup in old age. "My god can beat up your scientist."
Prove big bang then! Show me the news report the day it happened!
If you ever learned enough (which you can not...you are not able) to understand Revelation you would see God's warnings unfold in the daily papers. In time to come shall things unfold that you will not be warned of....but those of the children of God have been warned.....but you will never have your proof because you are not his.
You must have faith first to have the proof....without faith their is no rightousness and without it there is no understanding of spiritual things. Who says we should prove anything to those lost and without desire. If you want it...you will find it......or you will never find it because you desire not. You are blind to the proof all around you......the created denies the creator. Show us your God of first existance and big bang that are words of men, who can't even hold their soup in old age. "My god can beat up your scientist."
Prove big bang then! Show me the news report the day it happened!
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Sorry this above was for kismas...miskid.....oh! whats her face.
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I do not have to prove it to you or anyone who does not want God. Those who want god already have their proof.
If you ever learned enough (which you can not...you are not able) to understand Revelation you would see God's warnings unfold in the daily papers. In time to come shall things unfold that you will not be warned of....but those of the children of God have been warned.....but you will never have your proof because you are not his.
You must have faith first to have the proof....without faith their is no rightousness and without it there is no understanding of spiritual things. Who says we should prove anything to those lost and without desire. If you want it...you will find it......or you will never find it because you desire not. You are blind to the proof all around you......the created denies the creator. Show us your God of first existance and big bang that are words of men, who can't even hold their soup in old age. "My god can beat up your scientist."
Prove big bang then! Show me the news report the day it happened!
If you ever learned enough (which you can not...you are not able) to understand Revelation you would see God's warnings unfold in the daily papers. In time to come shall things unfold that you will not be warned of....but those of the children of God have been warned.....but you will never have your proof because you are not his.
You must have faith first to have the proof....without faith their is no rightousness and without it there is no understanding of spiritual things. Who says we should prove anything to those lost and without desire. If you want it...you will find it......or you will never find it because you desire not. You are blind to the proof all around you......the created denies the creator. Show us your God of first existance and big bang that are words of men, who can't even hold their soup in old age. "My god can beat up your scientist."
Prove big bang then! Show me the news report the day it happened!
krimsa: Sroll up. Stress already explained this one...You can not prove the existence of a god yet the burden is on you. Especially in light of what you claimed on that other thread.
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Olsojente: I had a little bet with myself who'd be in here first, you or Trish.... I won!!!
You mean between the smart one and the...
well, not
Just giving you some crap Cro. You know you love it.
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When are they going to prove Big bang! 
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In response to: Limits expand by open minded people
Are you implying that a doctor or medical researcher can not be open minded?
In response to: But true in the now, both have limitations.
Exactly. They do. If I was sick, I would try to heal myself through non evasive means or natural therapies first, but if I could not do that or if I required emergency medical care, well faith is just not cutting it at that point. We also can not blindly assume that a NDE experience is proof for life after death. Primarily because the accounts are very similar and also because we do know there are certain causes for the reported phenomena that are bound up in human physiology and certain response mechanisms and the pineal gland.
In response to: If we limit ourselves with negative-narrow minded thoughts, then faith, science, and humanity might as well just be a non factor.
I’ve always thought it was possible for them to work together synergistically. Call me crazy.
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krimsa: Are you implying that a doctor or medical researcher can not be open minded?
Of course, the majority. Especially in Sweden.
I know what you mean about the emergency care and how belief does not cut it...we are not that evolved yet with the manipulation of energy and natural therapies.
Carl Jung has some interesting data about NDE and OBE's.
So where does the energy in our body go after we die? You think this is your only existence?
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In response to: I do not have to prove it to you or anyone who does not want God. Those who want god already have their proof.
In the context of this thread, the burden of proof would fall upon those that claim that god exists to substantiate this claim.
Get it?
Stop being so irrational and emotional.
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StressFree: Of course, the majority. Especially in Sweden.
I know what you mean about the emergency care and how belief does not cut it...we are not that evolved yet with the manipulation of energy and natural therapies.
Carl Jung has some interesting data about NDE and OBE's.
So where does the energy in our body go after we die? You think this is your only existence?
I know what you mean about the emergency care and how belief does not cut it...we are not that evolved yet with the manipulation of energy and natural therapies.
Carl Jung has some interesting data about NDE and OBE's.
So where does the energy in our body go after we die? You think this is your only existence?
Bravo for this comment!!
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But medical science is good to have, so we can learn and evolve and discover new things about ourselves and our place in the cosmos.
Yes, try explaining that to an insulin dependant diabetic. Medical science has limitations. So does pure faith.