Prove to me.... (622)
HealthyLiving: I am trying to find the story. I do not know what year it happened, she did not say. I know that she knew the young man, he was the son of a woman she knew. I know enough of the details that I will recognise the story.
Yes, there would have to be a record as he was also indicted on the previous murders. She had only recently met him. She was never a suspect.
Yes, there would have to be a record as he was also indicted on the previous murders. She had only recently met him. She was never a suspect.
She knew of him? Hmm. Yeah, find the story. I’m just saying from the point of view of the police, all they would have is this woman who was attacked by a guy that she knew. Then she suddenly knows where all of these other bodies are located. That alone would be suspicious to them. The most logical interpretation of those details would be she knew him better than she was letting on, something happened between those two and she knew about these other murders. That may have been the reason he tried to get rid of her. To shut her up. That’s why I need to see all the details.
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HealthyLiving: krimsa! Let me share with you a story. About 5 years ago, a gf and I went to Fort Worth to meet a woman for lunch. My gf knew her well. I went to hear her give account of a terrifying experience she had.
This woman had been stabbed to death, stabbed 27 times by her assailant. She was DEAD! He killed her in a motel room. He put her body in the truck of the car and drove to a desolated area.
Durring the trip, this woman went into the presence of God and a conversation took place. God told her that this man had killed 5 other women. He burried all 5 bodies in this same area, where they would never be found. God wanted this man caught. He asked the woman if she would go back and bring charges against this man and tell where the other bodies were burried, as the man had taken her to the same area. She agreed to do this.
When the man reached the area, he went to the trunk of the car to remove the woman. He opened the trunk and she was staring at him. She told him to take her out and put her in the front seat. He was freakin... you can imagine... said to her, "You are DEAD!" But he did as she requested. God was in total control of this situation. He drove back to town, stopped at a gas station. The woman went inside and called police. The man was arrested, tried and convicted. The other bodies were found and he was charged for them as well.
It caused this woman great pain to share this story with us, as she was re-living it as she shared it.
Yes, krimsa, there is a God, and yes, He is able to bring them back from the dead, even this woman who was so brutally murdered.
I love you dearly sweetheart!
This woman had been stabbed to death, stabbed 27 times by her assailant. She was DEAD! He killed her in a motel room. He put her body in the truck of the car and drove to a desolated area.
Durring the trip, this woman went into the presence of God and a conversation took place. God told her that this man had killed 5 other women. He burried all 5 bodies in this same area, where they would never be found. God wanted this man caught. He asked the woman if she would go back and bring charges against this man and tell where the other bodies were burried, as the man had taken her to the same area. She agreed to do this.
When the man reached the area, he went to the trunk of the car to remove the woman. He opened the trunk and she was staring at him. She told him to take her out and put her in the front seat. He was freakin... you can imagine... said to her, "You are DEAD!" But he did as she requested. God was in total control of this situation. He drove back to town, stopped at a gas station. The woman went inside and called police. The man was arrested, tried and convicted. The other bodies were found and he was charged for them as well.
It caused this woman great pain to share this story with us, as she was re-living it as she shared it.
Yes, krimsa, there is a God, and yes, He is able to bring them back from the dead, even this woman who was so brutally murdered.
I love you dearly sweetheart!
God want a serail killer to be caught ?. so why he is not giving a clue about Osama Binladen ? .
Well most of the neardeath or afterdeath experience is the play of the Brain deprieved of Oxigen .nothing more than that .the same "meeting God" and "flying out of body" experienc were reported by high altitude flying war piolets . well that Lady should thank god for her life and stupidity of the serial killer to stab her in all wrong places.
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And why did god decide just to target that particular serial killer? Why didnt he let anyone know about Charles Manson (he was a Christian) or Son of Sam or any of those other ones? Why this guy? Does he only rat out atheist killers?
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krimsa: She knew of him? Hmm. Yeah, find the story. I’m just saying from the point of view of the police, all they would have is this woman who was attacked by a guy that she knew. Then she suddenly knows where all of these other bodies are located. That alone would be suspicious to them. The most logical interpretation of those details would be she knew him better than she was letting on, something happened between those two and she knew about these other murders. That may have been the reason he tried to get rid of her. To shut her up. That’s why I need to see all the details.
You are very analytical, as I am myself. I wish I knew the time period and location. It may have even been before the internet. Surely he is on death row.
She was friends with his mother. She said the young man was very grotesque looking (ugly) and she felt sorry for him and tried to befriend him. She was a straight up Christian woman, trying to show him acceptance and unconditional love.
I am still searching page after page. I think it shows the most recent first, so I may be sitting here for several years trying to find the right key words to fit the story.
You can email me if you like.
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Ask the woman? Are you still in touch with her?
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bollywood:
Well most of the neardeath or afterdeath experience is the play of the Brain deprieved of Oxigen .
Well most of the neardeath or afterdeath experience is the play of the Brain deprieved of Oxigen .
So what about the others? You did say most, and according to data, the small percent who experience something more than just a physiological reaction is a mystery to Science.
Carl Jung had a very fascinating NDE experience in which empirical science has no answer for...much like it has no answers for many diseases today.
Empirical science can't even have a solid understanding for predicting the weather accurately.
There is much more to a NDE and OBE than what you read about.
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bollywood: God want a serail killer to be caught ?. so why he is not giving a clue about Osama Binladen ? .
Well most of the neardeath or afterdeath experience is the play of the Brain deprieved of Oxigen .nothing more than that .the same "meeting God" and "flying out of body" experienc were reported by high altitude flying war piolets . well that Lady should thank god for her life and stupidity of the serial killer to stab her in all wrong places.
Well most of the neardeath or afterdeath experience is the play of the Brain deprieved of Oxigen .nothing more than that .the same "meeting God" and "flying out of body" experienc were reported by high altitude flying war piolets . well that Lady should thank god for her life and stupidity of the serial killer to stab her in all wrong places.
Perhaps Osama is merely a scape goat and not the real killer?
You can try to explain it away and speculate. But I was with the woman. The woman was DEAD. It was her choice to return to her body so that justice could be served. She was stabbed in the right places. She was DEAD and stayed in the hospital for quite awhile afterwards, getting put back together. It was a Supernatural experience. Her ability to talk. The young man staying calm and taking her exactly where she told him to take her. The power of God was on them both.
That lady Does Thank God for her life and that she was able to help in having Justice served.
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HealthyLiving: Perhaps Osama is merely a scape goat and not the real killer?
You can try to explain it away and speculate. But I was with the woman. The woman was DEAD. It was her choice to return to her body so that justice could be served. She was stabbed in the right places. She was DEAD and stayed in the hospital for quite awhile afterwards, getting put back together. It was a Supernatural experience. Her ability to talk. The young man staying calm and taking her exactly where she told him to take her. The power of God was on them both.
That lady Does Thank God for her life and that she was able to help in having Justice served.
You can try to explain it away and speculate. But I was with the woman. The woman was DEAD. It was her choice to return to her body so that justice could be served. She was stabbed in the right places. She was DEAD and stayed in the hospital for quite awhile afterwards, getting put back together. It was a Supernatural experience. Her ability to talk. The young man staying calm and taking her exactly where she told him to take her. The power of God was on them both.
That lady Does Thank God for her life and that she was able to help in having Justice served.
If Osama is a scape got .then why Mr Bush is having a happy rerired life ? where is the justice served ? ..
well Jokes apart as You said either I can explain away or speculate . I am sure that there is something beyond the releam of our science and understanding. Living in India I come across a lot of things like this in real life .Once I had been to a Mystic guy ,a fortune teller around 1000 + Kms away from my hometown and he called me by my name. told my parents name and location of my house .Still I dont have any clue how he knows that .thats really freaking me out now . "Autobiography of a Yogi" is a good book I would like to suggest to you ..you will love that ..anyway lets have this discussion going on ,,have a nice day
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StressFree: Quantum theory and science is coming along btw...
"If you think you understand quantum theory, you don't understand quantum theory." - Richard Feynman
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emannigol: "If you think you understand quantum theory, you don't understand quantum theory." - Richard Feynman
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Good gosh krimsa - where have you been - for a moment i thought you were off studying the Bible somewhere.....
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Apostophe: Good gosh krimsa - where have you been - for a moment i thought you were off studying the Bible somewhere.....
I actually have not cracked a bible physically in years. It drove me nuts when I had to study it as a course in school along with several other creation mythologies....
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krimsa: I actually have not cracked a bible physically in years. It drove me nuts when I had to study it as a course in school along with several other creation mythologies....
Been a bit boring without you...
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Apostophe: Been a bit boring without you...
You are sweet. Na, Ive been around but tryign to focus on two or three threads. Im gonna get my hair cut today I think. 
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StressFree: What if it was an entity of a higher power, or different power than we are used to.
I think she labeled this entity as God. I believe it could have happened. There are oddities to our observations that we just have to accept and admit that we don't have all the answers to right now.
Quantum theory and science is coming along btw...
"Einstein and his followers countered that such radicalism was wildly premature. They argued that much of the quantum weirdness was nothing more than a lack of adequate knowledge. Find a quantum system's "hidden variables", Einstein suspected, and quantum theory might make common sense, a view that quantum enthusiasts thought was ultra conservative and out of touch. The argument rages to this day.
Complex systems are affected by chaos, which means that their behaviour can be influenced greatly by tiny changes. According to mathematics, the invariant set of a chaotic system is a fractal.
Fractal invariant sets have unusual geometric properties. If you plotted one on a map it would trace out the same intricate structure as a coastline. Zoom in on it and you would find more and more detail, with the patterns looking similar to the original unzoomed image.
Gravity and mathematics alone, Palmer suggests, imply that the invariant set of the universe should have a similarly intricate structure, and that the universe is trapped forever in this subset of all possible states. This might help to explain why the universe at the quantum level seems so bizarre."So anything is possible! I've said it all along.
I think she labeled this entity as God. I believe it could have happened. There are oddities to our observations that we just have to accept and admit that we don't have all the answers to right now.
Quantum theory and science is coming along btw...
"Einstein and his followers countered that such radicalism was wildly premature. They argued that much of the quantum weirdness was nothing more than a lack of adequate knowledge. Find a quantum system's "hidden variables", Einstein suspected, and quantum theory might make common sense, a view that quantum enthusiasts thought was ultra conservative and out of touch. The argument rages to this day.
Complex systems are affected by chaos, which means that their behaviour can be influenced greatly by tiny changes. According to mathematics, the invariant set of a chaotic system is a fractal.
Fractal invariant sets have unusual geometric properties. If you plotted one on a map it would trace out the same intricate structure as a coastline. Zoom in on it and you would find more and more detail, with the patterns looking similar to the original unzoomed image.
Gravity and mathematics alone, Palmer suggests, imply that the invariant set of the universe should have a similarly intricate structure, and that the universe is trapped forever in this subset of all possible states. This might help to explain why the universe at the quantum level seems so bizarre."So anything is possible! I've said it all along.
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krimsa: You are sweet. Na, Ive been around but tryign to focus on two or three threads. Im gonna get my hair cut today I think. Its gotten too long.
Doing mine tomorrow - always a good lift.
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StressFree:
Quantum theory and science is coming along btw...
"Einstein and his followers countered that such radicalism was wildly premature. They argued that much of the quantum weirdness was nothing more than a lack of adequate knowledge. Find a quantum system's "hidden variables", Einstein suspected, and quantum theory might make common sense, a view that quantum enthusiasts thought was ultra conservative and out of touch. The argument rages to this day.
Complex systems are affected by chaos, which means that their behaviour can be influenced greatly by tiny changes. According to mathematics, the invariant set of a chaotic system is a fractal.
Fractal invariant sets have unusual geometric properties. If you plotted one on a map it would trace out the same intricate structure as a coastline. Zoom in on it and you would find more and more detail, with the patterns looking similar to the original unzoomed image.
Gravity and mathematics alone, Palmer suggests, imply that the invariant set of the universe should have a similarly intricate structure, and that the universe is trapped forever in this subset of all possible states. This might help to explain why the universe at the quantum level seems so bizarre."
Quantum theory and science is coming along btw...
"Einstein and his followers countered that such radicalism was wildly premature. They argued that much of the quantum weirdness was nothing more than a lack of adequate knowledge. Find a quantum system's "hidden variables", Einstein suspected, and quantum theory might make common sense, a view that quantum enthusiasts thought was ultra conservative and out of touch. The argument rages to this day.
Complex systems are affected by chaos, which means that their behaviour can be influenced greatly by tiny changes. According to mathematics, the invariant set of a chaotic system is a fractal.
Fractal invariant sets have unusual geometric properties. If you plotted one on a map it would trace out the same intricate structure as a coastline. Zoom in on it and you would find more and more detail, with the patterns looking similar to the original unzoomed image.
Gravity and mathematics alone, Palmer suggests, imply that the invariant set of the universe should have a similarly intricate structure, and that the universe is trapped forever in this subset of all possible states. This might help to explain why the universe at the quantum level seems so bizarre."
damn, forgot to link the source. Quality scientific info in this link that may alter our beliefs about God, creation, and the reality as we perceive it into existence. Here is the link that Trish gave me in a pm:
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StressFree: damn, forgot to link the source. Quality scientific info in this link that may alter our beliefs about God, creation, and the reality as we perceive it into existence.
Here is the link that Trish gave me in a pm:
Here is the link that Trish gave me in a pm:
I am gonna hijack here....
Stress sign up for college for a theology course for the next Swedish long dark winter....
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krimsa: Yes I’m assuming it came from an apologetic website.
It’s not a matter of "not accepting it." You didn’t explain the contradictions. Did you read my post? Modern Christian scholars reject this idea not because it is difficult to understand but because it cannot be meaningfully expressed. The doctrine cannot be stated in any way that is free from contradictions. It is impossible for Jesus to have been perfect man and perfect God at the same time, for this would mean that he was finite and infinite at the same time, that he was fallible and infallible at the same time. This cannot be.
They are because the only passage that you supplied that was actually from the bible (and not simply just conjecture) on the part of the apologetics was open to interpretation as noted.
Theologians of the current day. Only evangelical Christians tend to still buy into the notion of "biblical inerrancy."
What the creed denies is also quite significant. The creed was formulated in response to the claims of various early Christian groups, and so includes clauses that deny the beliefs of those groups. In response to the Arians who believed that Jesus was not God, the Council of Nicea (325 A.D.) decreed that he was fully God.
That passage is open to interpretation. Did Jesus die by the grace of god or apart from god? “Although almost all the surviving manuscripts state that Jesus died for all people ‘by the grace of God’ (CHARITI THEOU) a couple of others state, instead, that he died ‘apart from God’ (CHORIS THEOU). Heb 2:9 appears originally to have said that Jesus died ‘apart from God’, forsaken, much as he is portrayed in the Passion narrative of Mark’s Gospel…..There is also the question of why these words came to be changed…. One explanation is that the scribes who were not altogether satisfied with what the New Testament books said modified their words to make them more clearly support orthodox Christianity and more vigorously oppose heretics, women, Jews, and pagans.”
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
This is the very next passage. Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. Hrmmm.
But how could Jesus be with God in the beginning as this verse says, if, as the Watchtower teaches, Jesus was created by God? And how could Jesus be "a god" and yet be with God during the creation, if God was speaking truthfully?
It’s not a matter of "not accepting it." You didn’t explain the contradictions. Did you read my post? Modern Christian scholars reject this idea not because it is difficult to understand but because it cannot be meaningfully expressed. The doctrine cannot be stated in any way that is free from contradictions. It is impossible for Jesus to have been perfect man and perfect God at the same time, for this would mean that he was finite and infinite at the same time, that he was fallible and infallible at the same time. This cannot be.
They are because the only passage that you supplied that was actually from the bible (and not simply just conjecture) on the part of the apologetics was open to interpretation as noted.
Theologians of the current day. Only evangelical Christians tend to still buy into the notion of "biblical inerrancy."
What the creed denies is also quite significant. The creed was formulated in response to the claims of various early Christian groups, and so includes clauses that deny the beliefs of those groups. In response to the Arians who believed that Jesus was not God, the Council of Nicea (325 A.D.) decreed that he was fully God.
That passage is open to interpretation. Did Jesus die by the grace of god or apart from god? “Although almost all the surviving manuscripts state that Jesus died for all people ‘by the grace of God’ (CHARITI THEOU) a couple of others state, instead, that he died ‘apart from God’ (CHORIS THEOU). Heb 2:9 appears originally to have said that Jesus died ‘apart from God’, forsaken, much as he is portrayed in the Passion narrative of Mark’s Gospel…..There is also the question of why these words came to be changed…. One explanation is that the scribes who were not altogether satisfied with what the New Testament books said modified their words to make them more clearly support orthodox Christianity and more vigorously oppose heretics, women, Jews, and pagans.”
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
This is the very next passage. Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. Hrmmm.
But how could Jesus be with God in the beginning as this verse says, if, as the Watchtower teaches, Jesus was created by God? And how could Jesus be "a god" and yet be with God during the creation, if God was speaking truthfully?
Watchtower? What?
The Son of God is uncreated. He was there at the beginning.
Again, Jesus was not both infinite and finite at the same time.
I don't even want to try to explain 19:29. You will only read into it what you want. I bet you think Jesus taught us to hate our loved ones in Luke 14:26 or that we should committ suicide in John 12:25. You can read into it what you want, but that is not what Jesus is saying there. All you are doing is trying to get a part to work all by itself. And just as if you cut off someone's arm to try to get it to live all by itself, taking passages and separating them from the others will not work either.
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I am trying to find the story. I do not know what year it happened, she did not say. I know that she knew the young man, he was the son of a woman she knew. I know enough of the details that I will recognise the story.
Yes, there would have to be a record as he was also indicted on the previous murders. She had only recently met him. She was never a suspect.