Prove to me.... ( Archived) (622)

I would expect nothing less from Texas mentality!!

Ah but even to that point it is a personal decision and choice... Let me try to explain...

The entire world you perceive and could communicate about is how you "believe" it to be...

For example, you believe the letter a follows certain rules within the English language, you do this because it was taught to you and you accept it as a fact. You believe that the word Apple refers to a kind of food... Why do I say these are beliefs and not actual facts? Because they are language. Language is an agreed upon belief as clearly seen in the many languages of the world that humans use to communicate.

The one exception to this is sensory communication. If I say the word "Tree" for example. Those who know the English language will immediately have an image in their mind of some kind of "tree" yet those who do not know that language and have not agreed to believe what it stands for will have no idea what it means...

For those who do though there is yet another problem... what tree do they think of when the word is said? A leafless one in fall? an evergreen covered in snow?, a fruit tree blooming? etc. This is because they have a specific "belief" of the word that was given to them when they first learned it, or that they have developed over their lifetime as their favorite kind of "tree"...

This is where the key to truly human wide language lays. if I have no eyesight and someone shows me a tree by letting me feel the bark and leaves and how it branches out etc... that term becomes that exploration of feeling, an "image" of sorts is built within my mind so that anytime I hear the word tree that "image" comes back to me.

Same if I never touch it but am able to smell it and only it, that smell will then be the "image" my brain gets when the word tree is used as a description for it. etc

However, If I show a picture of an apple tree that has ripe fruit on it to someone who has never spoken my language but has seen that tree they will know instantly what I am saying, or let someone smell an apple and they have smelled it before, etc.

This is a human wide, pre-existing understanding, that is not learned or forgotten, this makes it come in outside of the "belief" factors, because it is common and understood to every human regardless of any outside influence. It is something an infant with no outside conditioning would also be able to do with any other human, once they had experienced that specific detail, such as the apple from the tree etc...

That mental image be it a smell, touch, sight, taste, or sound, is the truth of the entire human perception, the rest is literally suggested "beliefs" that have been agreed on or are being debated as to if they should be agreed on or not etc.

See what I mean?


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So does the Bible!

Oh yeah, Greendragon pissed off some Xtians didnt he?

religion is the opiate of the masses

I will try one last time to explain this is not an atheist verses theist thread, in fact this is not intended to be a "verses" thread at all. I do not and would not want to nor would I try to waste anyone's time with such indefinable arguments of arguments.

I have merely called for proof...as in evidence.. that God does not exist. that link only allows a 'theist' to lay claim to the exact same thing saying atheist always fall back on burden of proof etc.. it goes in a circle and expends energies from people that could go to SOOO many better things... and it just wastes everyone's time to go in circles such as that...

Does this help to understand the intention here is coming from someone who is not taking a side in any kind of argument... it is coming from someone who is unbiasedly looking for evidence of God, in this case evidence of God's non-existence.

I truly hope that helps so people can save their time and energy if they are only posting to argue and argument instead of trying to find evidences...


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