Prove to me.... (622)
In response to: Of course, the majority. Especially in Sweden.
Well I would disagree. Granted they have budgets and financial limitations but not all medical techs are "closed minded." They may not all hold a firm conviction in faith healing though some certainly do. It’s best not to attempt to compartmentalize everyone who works in the field of medical science and technology.
In response to: So where does the energy in our body go after we die? You think this is your only existence?
I’m not convinced of that. I tend to believe that we are reincarnated over and over. I don’t think there was a time when I didn’t exist nor a time that I wont exist. I have no proof of this so I won’t make any wild claims. That’s not my style.
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krimsa: One does not have to prove or substantiate a negative assertion.
That means that the Atheists are not in a position to prove that a god does not exist.
The burden falls upon those that make a claim for his existence. I’m assuming you are referring to the God of Abraham? Christians are usually arrogant enough to assume that the word "god" alone implies the biblical one. Pfft.
That means that the Atheists are not in a position to prove that a god does not exist.
The burden falls upon those that make a claim for his existence. I’m assuming you are referring to the God of Abraham? Christians are usually arrogant enough to assume that the word "god" alone implies the biblical one. Pfft.
Now why would we assume that God means the "God of Abraham?"
"The scribe said to Him, 'Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;" Mark 12:32
And why do atheists always hide behind the "I don't have to prove a negative" clause?
Why can't you prove God does not exist?
I could prove Chris Gaines does not exist (at least the Garth Brooks version of Chris Gaines). Or couldn't I prove that Darth Vader does not exist?
Why it would seem that someone claiming to be the all powerful of the universe would be easily disproved.
Why hide like this guys?
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RillyNiceGuy: You so funny!
Well, were you going to prove the existence of god for us then?
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In response to: Now why would we assume that God means the "God of Abraham?
So are you being an arrogant Christian right now and assuming that the OP meant the god of Abraham just because he used the word "god?" Isn't that proving my point?
In response to: 12:32And why do atheists always hide behind the "I don't have to prove a negative" clause?
Why do Christians always hide behind not being capable of proving anything?
In response to: Why can't you prove God does not exist?
Why can’t you prove a positive assertion?
In response to: Or couldn't I prove that Darth Vader does not exist?
It would be easier to prove that Darth Vader exists then god.
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StressFree: ....
A position that God doesn't exist is not a "belief," it's the standard position we all start out with...
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They start out atheist: lacking belief.
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A position that God doesn't exist is not a "belief," it's the standard position we all start out with...
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They start out atheist: lacking belief.
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Just a couple of things on this portion of your posting... I appreciate the time spent providing all the rest I truly do, but this is not about Jesus, or religion, this is about "omnipresent God".
We assume we are born into the world with but curiosity and questions, key here is we "believe this to be true" It is then that those who have lived in the world provide their "beliefs" of what their experiences and others have made them to be.
Your argument is good but it contains holes in this sense.
For many generations the world was "believed" to be flat, everyone "believed" this to be true, it took but a few people who went against the "belief" of the masses to prove it was in fact not flat but round. This is but one example of "belief" When we are born we do not "believe" anything, beyond what our primary senses tell us is real to our own perception of our own reality.
As we grow we alter and change those perceptions based on our experiences and the "beliefs" of those who shared their experiences and "beliefs" with us through our lives.
Sometimes we counter the beliefs we adopted because of new things we find. For example and to show why your argument does not sway me from looking for proof of the non-existence of God... Some who began as "believing" in God (since they never doubted until much later) now in fact can only be seen as changing their "belief" to one that God does not exist, which in turn does make it a belief.
Again I am in no way trying to say you can not prove one does not exist, I am in fact asking you to offer evidence that supports the non-existence, and no I am not asking so I can say then obviously one does exist. Again I am merely looking for evidence that supports the non-existence of God. ie Why some people firmly "believe" there is none. such as those who firmly believed the world was flat prior to it being discovered.
I will add again... seeking the truth does not require a direction or line of sight, it merely requires asking every question that can be asked regardless of what the answer may reveal. Unbiased, pursuit of the question does God exist therefore must include the question is God non-existant. Hence my posting.
Thank you very much for your posting Stress, I very much appreciate the time spent writing and gathering links etc, very much appreciate it.
Very much!
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Just here to watch...(munch,munch) Ego vs Spirit
(I'm a believer so I'm not participating, but, the drama is
fascinating.)
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Stressfree - Let me put it this way.. you make an extrodinary claim that we are all born athiest, could you support that with evidence of a child who has been raised with absolutely no outside influence from any other form of thought then its own which shows undeniable evidence that it in fact has never believed in a power higher then itself in any way shape or form?
That is why I say it is a belief, there is no evidence presented that we are born athiestic. There are also studies that claim infants are born with more knowledge then the oldest human alive could gather. Some say they are born with the ability to communicate with pure telepathy and that skill is lost when introduced to speech. Again beliefs in my opinion since I have not found evidence provided to the contrary of either position being held, that of born knowing nothing verse born knowing things later forgotten...
Does this help clarify my position on your posting I responded to before?
Hope so. Again thank you for the previous posting and the follow ups, I agree with quite a number of things you have mentioned as well as others. I am very pleased thus far with everyone posting in the thread.
me
That is why I say it is a belief, there is no evidence presented that we are born athiestic. There are also studies that claim infants are born with more knowledge then the oldest human alive could gather. Some say they are born with the ability to communicate with pure telepathy and that skill is lost when introduced to speech. Again beliefs in my opinion since I have not found evidence provided to the contrary of either position being held, that of born knowing nothing verse born knowing things later forgotten...
Does this help clarify my position on your posting I responded to before?
Hope so. Again thank you for the previous posting and the follow ups, I agree with quite a number of things you have mentioned as well as others. I am very pleased thus far with everyone posting in the thread.
me
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krimsa: So are you being an arrogant Christian right now and assuming that the OP meant the god of Abraham just because he used the word "god?" Isn't that proving my point?
Why do Christians always hide behind not being capable of proving anything?
Why can’t you prove a positive assertion?
It would be easier to prove that Darth Vader exists then god.
Why do Christians always hide behind not being capable of proving anything?
Why can’t you prove a positive assertion?
It would be easier to prove that Darth Vader exists then god.
We know the fictional character Darth Vader exists. Duh..
How can you prove some one exists if the person has already said in their heart "there is no god"?
You cannot.
The evidence is there. I plastered pages and pages from some of the greatest minds mankind has ever produced, and still it is not enough. It becomes quite exhausting. But it is not my job to convince you of anything.
Thank you God!
I am just here to share the truth...
"And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." Jesus (John 10:4&5)
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In response to: Stressfree - Let me put it this way.. you make an extrodinary claim that we are all born athiest,
Children that are born and raised in communist nations are generally "atheist by default" but thats a little different. That's simply because they arent exposed to religion growing up normally in that society. Most children start asking questions about god when they begin to have an understahding of death. A pet goldfish dies or something along those lines. So I can see his point that we are all born atheists in a sense.
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Shedman01: I see many people posting that they want proof that God exists. Sure this want, desire, demand, of proof that God exists is being manifested in many ways, such as biblical belief etc. But it really seems to boil down simply to many folks seeking proof that God exists.
Perhaps they are trying to change the minds of others, or perhaps they are looking for that proof so they too can believe. Perhaps some others are trying to convince themselves of their own belief whatever it may be. I surely can not guess to the reasons or motivations behind some of the very blatant postings I have seen some individuals post, and my above reflects only some views I have encountered in my many years on the Internet when I have asked people why they want proof of God, etc.
Anyway to the topic of the thread. I thought it might be interesting to flip the table a little on some of the more vocal posters that continue to ask for proof that God does exist or continue to assert that he is a mass delusion, or other some such humanistic imagination,
So here is my thread topic...
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc, or perhaps since that may be difficult to do I will allow for a sideline proof as well...
Prove to me... that "omnipresence" is impossible, or in essence does not exist.
Now then because of the title and manner in which I have laid out the thread let us all assume that every posting made to this thread will be directed SOLELY at me, this may help keep folks from arguing among themselves and stick better to the request of the thread, prove to me... me
Good for u.Perhaps they are trying to change the minds of others, or perhaps they are looking for that proof so they too can believe. Perhaps some others are trying to convince themselves of their own belief whatever it may be. I surely can not guess to the reasons or motivations behind some of the very blatant postings I have seen some individuals post, and my above reflects only some views I have encountered in my many years on the Internet when I have asked people why they want proof of God, etc.
Anyway to the topic of the thread. I thought it might be interesting to flip the table a little on some of the more vocal posters that continue to ask for proof that God does exist or continue to assert that he is a mass delusion, or other some such humanistic imagination,
So here is my thread topic...
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc, or perhaps since that may be difficult to do I will allow for a sideline proof as well...
Prove to me... that "omnipresence" is impossible, or in essence does not exist.
Now then because of the title and manner in which I have laid out the thread let us all assume that every posting made to this thread will be directed SOLELY at me, this may help keep folks from arguing among themselves and stick better to the request of the thread, prove to me... me
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MikeHD: We know the fictional character Darth Vader exists. Duh..
How can you prove some one exists if the person has already said in their heart "there is no god"?
You cannot.
The evidence is there. I plastered pages and pages from some of the greatest minds mankind has ever produced, and still it is not enough. It becomes quite exhausting. But it is not my job to convince you of anything.
Thank you God! I am just here to share the truth...
"And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." Jesus (John 10:4&5)
How can you prove some one exists if the person has already said in their heart "there is no god"?
You cannot.
The evidence is there. I plastered pages and pages from some of the greatest minds mankind has ever produced, and still it is not enough. It becomes quite exhausting. But it is not my job to convince you of anything.
Thank you God! I am just here to share the truth...
"And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." Jesus (John 10:4&5)
If you were to show mw tangible proof of god, then I would believe you. That’s the whole point of proving something. It’s also your responsibility as you are asserting that god exists. I think something exists, just not that god. Does that make it easier or harder for you?
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GoodHeartforYou: ......
I very much appreciate your posting. It offers evidence of the "fall" of specifically referenced terms of God. This is supportive through weight in that it increases the odds of non-existence through the further understanding of humans and the world around them. Thank you VERY much for your posting.
What has been offered here is the defining of several of the deities that have been referred to as God by the people who believed in them. What it brings to the argument is that in several past cases the beliefs of masses were in fact lost among newly rising beliefs and scientific findings that explained many of the things that had been attributed to "God" prior to discoveries that become repeatable scientific evidence as to how the event transpired in a normal way even though when it first happened there was no way to define it.
The trouble is that this also can in fact be supportive that there is God yet the definitions and terms given to define God have been incorrect thus far. So it still does not prove the non-existence of God but it does lean the argument in that direction in as much as the humanistic definition attributed to the word God thus far.
Again many thanks for the posting GoodHeartforyou!! very much appreciate the time given!!
me
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krimsa: Children that are born and raised in communist nations are generally "atheist by default"
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But here again these children are being raised inside a belief system... see what I mean? They are being raised in an environment that does not provide God as an answer to questions of what makes birds sing... So again, show a child raised completely free of all previous concieved notions, beliefs, facts, theories, etc and show me what this child knows or does not know and then these can be used as claims for one side or the other.
Thanks for time spent making this posting perhaps it helps me to clarify what I mean a bit more. me
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crotalus_p: Actually he is kind of an idiot (no offence intended) if he wrote this as a serious thread ,
I really think you out of all people should keep your comments to yourself...... You are the dumbest person i have ever came across, and show no sympathy towards other, with your nonsense..... Get a life kid, and the reason i call u a kid is because u act like a five year old......------ This thread is Archived ------
Shedman01: But here again these children are being raised inside a belief system... see what I mean? They are being raised in an environment that does not provide God as an answer to questions of what makes birds sing... So again, show a child raised completely free of all previous concieved notions, beliefs, facts, theories, etc and show me what this child knows or does not know and then these can be used as claims for one side or the other. Thanks for time spent making this posting perhaps it helps me to clarify what I mean a bit more. me
I agree with Stress Free up to a point. What I mean by that is children don’t have any concept of god UNTIL they reach an age where they begin to question such things. That is when they will be influenced by their parents, society, and whatever other external influences they come into contact with. The child is literally like putty that can be molded. If said child has two atheists parents who do not push any kind of spiritual agenda and speak in frank terms about science, nature and death being the end of life, then that child will essentially become an atheist until he or she is exposed to something else that seems to make more sense. Then it becomes a personal decision and choice.
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Shedman01: I see many people posting that they want proof that God exists. Sure this want, desire, demand, of proof that God exists is being manifested in many ways, such as biblical belief etc. But it really seems to boil down simply to many folks seeking proof that God exists.
Perhaps they are trying to change the minds of others, or perhaps they are looking for that proof so they too can believe. Perhaps some others are trying to convince themselves of their own belief whatever it may be. I surely can not guess to the reasons or motivations behind some of the very blatant postings I have seen some individuals post, and my above reflects only some views I have encountered in my many years on the Internet when I have asked people why they want proof of God, etc.
Anyway to the topic of the thread. I thought it might be interesting to flip the table a little on some of the more vocal posters that continue to ask for proof that God does exist or continue to assert that he is a mass delusion, or other some such humanistic imagination,
So here is my thread topic...
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc, or perhaps since that may be difficult to do I will allow for a sideline proof as well...
Prove to me... that "omnipresence" is impossible, or in essence does not exist.
Now then because of the title and manner in which I have laid out the thread let us all assume that every posting made to this thread will be directed SOLELY at me, this may help keep folks from arguing among themselves and stick better to the request of the thread, prove to me... me
You couldn't be anymore correct on your statement, if the people that don't believe in god are asking for proof that he does exist, then it is correct to ask them to give you proof that he doesn't exist. But they are to ignorent to do so......Perhaps they are trying to change the minds of others, or perhaps they are looking for that proof so they too can believe. Perhaps some others are trying to convince themselves of their own belief whatever it may be. I surely can not guess to the reasons or motivations behind some of the very blatant postings I have seen some individuals post, and my above reflects only some views I have encountered in my many years on the Internet when I have asked people why they want proof of God, etc.
Anyway to the topic of the thread. I thought it might be interesting to flip the table a little on some of the more vocal posters that continue to ask for proof that God does exist or continue to assert that he is a mass delusion, or other some such humanistic imagination,
So here is my thread topic...
Prove to me... God does not exist.
I look forward to a few replies if anyone is willing to offer some proof that God is imaginary or does not exist etc, or perhaps since that may be difficult to do I will allow for a sideline proof as well...
Prove to me... that "omnipresence" is impossible, or in essence does not exist.
Now then because of the title and manner in which I have laid out the thread let us all assume that every posting made to this thread will be directed SOLELY at me, this may help keep folks from arguing among themselves and stick better to the request of the thread, prove to me... me
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Galactic_bodhi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wilb9qqFF-Y
I dont know how much it will help though. 
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krimsa: I dont know how much it will help though.
Burden of proof. Logic. Things that go.........in the night.
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