Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet (845)
Albertaghost: Probably could have done the same with regular troops but, may as well send people equipped and trained for the job. Oh, and they were armed with paint guns so as not to inflict mortal injuries. The pistols were back up in case things got out of hand.
Guess things got out of hand.
Guess things got out of hand.
...crack Israeli Special Operations Group...?!
So...An Israeli S.O.G. group boards a vessel in International waters armed with both real weapons + 'play weapons'...in the middle of the night - and are surprised when they are overcome by their 'expected' captives - but, the exercise goes to plan when they are finally overcome.
As I said...sounds like a chapter out of 1984...
Was this a training exercise?
Was this a sham exercise, gone wrong?
Was this a strange game played by men with paint ball guns?
I wish someone could tell...
G
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galaxy15: ...crack Israeli Special Operations Group...?!
So...An Israeli S.O.G. group boards a vessel in International waters armed with both real weapons + 'play weapons'...in the middle of the night - and are surprised when they are overcome by their 'expected' captives - but, the exercise goes to plan when they are finally overcome.
As I said...sounds like a chapter out of 1984...
Was this a training exercise?
Was this a sham exercise, gone wrong?
Was this a strange game played by men with paint ball guns?I wish someone could tell...
G
So...An Israeli S.O.G. group boards a vessel in International waters armed with both real weapons + 'play weapons'...in the middle of the night - and are surprised when they are overcome by their 'expected' captives - but, the exercise goes to plan when they are finally overcome.
As I said...sounds like a chapter out of 1984...
Was this a training exercise?
Was this a sham exercise, gone wrong?
Was this a strange game played by men with paint ball guns?I wish someone could tell...
G
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Iereal.
I wonder now,...why there has been anger towards the children
of God. For so, so many years. I wonder,.
I wonder now,...why there has been anger towards the children
of God. For so, so many years. I wonder,.
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SilverBirch: May God have mercy on the children of Gaza as they await their
holocost. May all the "Anne Franks" of Gaza go swiftly unto
their final slumber.
Peace to the middle east, stop US aid to Israel.
holocost. May all the "Anne Franks" of Gaza go swiftly unto
their final slumber.
Peace to the middle east, stop US aid to Israel.
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LILLYLADY: "Counties should be praising". Correction, countries should be praising.
All we are saying is Give Peace a Chance,.......
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SilverBirch: Iereal.
I wonder now,...why there has been anger towards the children
of God. For so, so many years. I wonder,.
I wonder now,...why there has been anger towards the children
of God. For so, so many years. I wonder,.
Jealousy. Their women are hot, they make good weapons, good booze too. Just can't get a peperoni and cheese pizza to save your soul.
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SilverBirch: All we are saying is
Give Peace a Chance,.......
Give Peace a Chance,.......
I come in peace
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SilverBirch: All we are saying is
Give Peace a Chance,.......
Give Peace a Chance,.......
Well tell you masters to stop lobbing rockets then. Golly, have you Hamas shills no say in the matter?
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Abram: I come in peace
That was a terrible movie. Then again, maybe Dorf can put an end to the Hamas scum and their whining international hand wringing fan club.
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Albertaghost: That was a terrible movie. Then again, maybe Dorf can put an end to the Hamas scum and their whining international hand wringing fan club.
I had to post that movie thread has I lived through the real giving peace a chance time, watched, counted every 82nd troop has he went out the door of my C-130. They helped save lives sitting home, stoned, giving peace a chance.
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This is the newpaper article from about the incident, and from what I read Isreal was not the terrorist. People are pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
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JRobert369: http://www.israelnewsagency.com/gazahamasflotillaprmassacreisraelidfpalestineturkeyislamicjihadhumanitariansuppliesarabsviolentturkishreliefusuneuterrorismships48053110.html
This is the newpaper article from about the incident, and from what I read Isreal was not the terrorist. People are pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
This is the newpaper article from about the incident, and from what I read Isreal was not the terrorist. People are pointing their finger in the wrong direction.
This is by no means an independent report.
...and 'what you read', is manicured to give you the required impression.
The definition of 'Terrorist', has undergone an expansion of definition which could include almost anything...
I honestly have no view either way - except, I am sure that if my home were surrounded by lines of policing authorities, concrete walls etc...provisions would need to be delivered in some way.
Delaying & obfuscating that delivery would anger me & 'force' me to resort to ever & ever extreme measures to deliver supplies.
The claim that these soldiers were acting in self-defence (in this instance) is risible. If they had not been rappelling onto the boat, in the middle of the night, with real & imitation weapons (which incidentally, you can go through all sorts of problems with, passing through any Customs Area, at any airport in the world) - they would not have 'put themselves' in a position to make this statement laughable. This is why people are finding this funny (with great respect to anyone killed &/or injured.
I am awaiting independent reports from the Aust. contingent, who will release the truth.
I am highly suspicious of police investigating themselves - I think you all know why?!
cheers
G
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What Israel has done is simply piracy.
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It does not take a 2nd grade education to understand what door to use, and what you can't bring into the house. Get Real people. There has been a secure, and safe route to get supplies into Gaza for some time. Any human being who cared about life, cared about other peoples lives, would have taken the safe route to insure delivery of safe supplies. On the other hand, it is only the evil intentions of human beings that seeks to provoke, to tempt, to act adversely to a process that has worked for years. A process that has worked perfectly for those taking advantage of it, while also keeping the least among them looking for more. Agitating, angering, causing strife, and fear among the people they call family, brothers, and sisters. Those generous IHH, Free Gaza individuals sticking their fingers into the eyes of the people they claim to be helping.
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You should be ashamed of yourself, your are showing biasness even on such a clear issue, simply the israiel have a brutel attack on innocent people carrying basic human needs for the needy people, and thats it, if they have some thing they should fire that because there is nothing precious than life they were murdered and they donot fire even a bullet which shows they have nothing to fire, and if isriel have any objections they could simply block them, this is not the way to kill some one and some of you are still favoring them.
No innocent person on board on that ship, they are simply new recruited terrorists and sympathizers of Hamas which is terrorists.
I pity those who lost their relatives on the incident but i must tell you they died wrongfully, they gambled with their life.
Hamas is not fighting for the freedom of the Palestinians they are only tools of Israel enemies but their own plot will bring their doom. What they want is to use the flotilla incident to convince the entire Arabs to declare war on Israel but Arabs are not fools they have their eyes and ears on the ground following the real thing.
No innocent person on board on that ship, they are simply new recruited terrorists and sympathizers of Hamas which is terrorists.
I pity those who lost their relatives on the incident but i must tell you they died wrongfully, they gambled with their life.
Hamas is not fighting for the freedom of the Palestinians they are only tools of Israel enemies but their own plot will bring their doom. What they want is to use the flotilla incident to convince the entire Arabs to declare war on Israel but Arabs are not fools they have their eyes and ears on the ground following the real thing.
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LILLYLADY: I doubt that they were only delivering humanitarian aid. Maybe most of the activists think it is only humanitarian aid but there are those who undoubtably know far more of what the rest of the cargo really is.
It isn't rocket science to figure that there are Hamas connections with "extra cargo" that is covertly being delivered on one or more of the ships. And one doesn't need Mosad to figure that one out. I have a feeling that weaponry will be found. Guess if Hamas is having trouble getting weaponry their tunnels bombed via Israel and blocked from Egypt, then they have to go through the water as an alternative.
It isn't rocket science to figure that there are Hamas connections with "extra cargo" that is covertly being delivered on one or more of the ships. And one doesn't need Mosad to figure that one out. I have a feeling that weaponry will be found. Guess if Hamas is having trouble getting weaponry their tunnels bombed via Israel and blocked from Egypt, then they have to go through the water as an alternative.
Like weapons of mass destructions to be found from Iraq?
LILLYLADY: Does anyone not seem to notice the UN or any organizations putting together committees to investigate every incidence of violence against the Israeli civilians? No investigations against the rock throwers, suicide bombers, bus bombers, disco and restaurant bombers and attempted suicide bombers or even to find those responsible for shooting the kassam rockets into Israel.
Palestinian militant acts are considered as terrorism and condemned. So is Israeli miltary acts against Palestinian civilians.
Statistically Palestinian civilians have to fear Israeli military more than Israeli civilians have to fear Palestinian terrorists.
LILLYLADY: Haven't European countries had enough already of radical bombings in their countries to be more proactive like Israel rather than criticizing Israel? Counties should be praising Israel, not condemning her for her vigilance considering the threat to Europe and other moderate Islamic countries in the region from Iran.
And how have European countries reacted to these bombings? Forcing Basques from their homes and making strikes against civilian targets using ETA as an excuse?
Did you know that more jews died because of British naval blockade during World War II than there's has died by Palestinian violence?
LILLYLADY: It was Israel's obligation to prevent the import of weapons into the Strip that would be directed against Israel, the prime minister said.
That's right, but at the same time 3/4 of humanitarian aid is also prevented.
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Albertaghost: Yes it is however, since nobody has come out with a here and now solution whereby Israeli civilians are safeguarded other than to take out those doing the rocket launching, this method seems to be the best option.
Better option would be not to accept deaths of civilians. Civilians of both sides need to be safeguarded.
Albertaghost: “We should not forget that none of these deaths would have occurred if the people on the ships had not attacked the Israelis.
“It’s wrong to blame the Israeli soldiers for the deaths. The flotilla must shoulder the blame for this.”
“It’s wrong to blame the Israeli soldiers for the deaths. The flotilla must shoulder the blame for this.”
This is giving right to open fire against rioting civilians because they started it.
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emannigol: Better option would be not to accept deaths of civilians. Civilians of both sides need to be safeguarded.
Hey, what a great idea! Tell you what, Israel will try to protect their women and children by taking out Hamas for as long as they try to take out Israeli women and children and, Hamas can protect their women and children by not trying to take out Israeli women and children so nobody need try to take them out and accidentally harm their women and children.
It's a win win for women and children.
If you don't like this idea then one would have to be Hamas or, a shill of theirs.
emannigol:
This is giving right to open fire against rioting civilians because they started it.
This is giving right to open fire against rioting civilians because they started it.
Rioting? Try determined to kill the soldiers who were executing their duty to bring the ship to Ashod where the aid could be distributed to the poor starving, disease ridden, shell shocked, emancipated, destitute orphans of Gaza. And these scum attacked the soldiers putting nine of them into the hospital - one seriously. Now that didn't happen on any of the other ships and, as we speak, that aid is now waiting to go to Gaza and would be there but for the fact that Hamas doesn't really want it as this was a sham designed as a propaganda stunt.
Now, did you bother to read my post above which details the martyr tapes of some of the 'rioting civilians' who were actually intent on killing the soldiers whom they knew would react? Did you know that aid had nothing to do with this floatilla as espoused by the leader of the action?
Here is a homework assignment which I will refer to in our future discussions;
The blockade of Gaza has been in place since 2007, when Hamas won its war with its Palestinian rival Fatah and claimed dominion over the territory. The blockade wasn't just imposed by Israel, but by Egypt as well. The purpose is to keep weaponry out of the hands and the control of Hamas.
Blockades are highly visible. They are declared. Their parameters are known to everyone. Israel and Hamas are at war. Israel has followed the terms of international law in establishing the blockade of Gaza, and without question, the blockade as it stands is legal.
The decision to attempt a run on a blockade is thus a decision to put one's life at risk, whether you are a single person or one of 700 in a flotilla. The onus rests with the blockade runner, whether he is Rhett Butler (the most famous fictional blockade runner, in "Gone with the Wind") or a hateful terrorist sympathizer who has decided to put his or her life on the line to front for Hamas.
Now for the self-inflicted wound. In the history of bungled operations, this one doesn't hold a candle to the "Black Hawk Down" incident in Mogadishu in 1993 that led to the horrifying slaughter of 18 US Rangers. There have been dozens of encounters in Iraq and Afghanistan that have spiraled out of control in far worse ways.
Israel faced a blockade run. It was evidently unable to prevent the flotilla jaunt from happening. Failure to act would have ended the blockade and handed Hamas a much larger victory than the media victory it won this week. That too would have occasioned a frenzy, with Hamas trumpeting a triumph and Israelis and friends of Israel around the world wondering how on earth this could have been allowed to happen.
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The reporting of most of this International stuff just sounds more & more like a chapter out of '1984' - George Orwell.
Probably could have done the same with regular troops but, may as well send people equipped and trained for the job. Oh, and they were armed with paint guns so as not to inflict mortal injuries. The pistols were back up in case things got out of hand.
Guess things got out of hand.