Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet (845)
If am invited to help i'll be there,and please to see them reaching an agreement. There is a saying in my country """ Your friends you can choose,your neighbors never"""
Costapacket: Then it would be good it you could lead the peace talks...
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chris27292729: If am invited to help i'll be there,and please to see them reaching an agreement. There is a saying in my country """ Your friends you can choose,your neighbors never"""
Same saying here but family you cant choose.
See we are not worlds apart, talking is good....
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Boban1: Im not fore ore against (Jews...muslims... Christians ..ore any other )
Im not a muslim ore a Jew.... so I have no reasons to like one more than the other
I still think that the muslims are not behind the 9-11 attack ... as after this event Muslim meant automatically terrorist
do tell me something.... Who controls the Money in the USA ???
and Im saying again....
The politic of Israel was too long protected ,no matter what they did ore do
Im not a muslim ore a Jew.... so I have no reasons to like one more than the other
I still think that the muslims are not behind the 9-11 attack ... as after this event Muslim meant automatically terrorist
do tell me something.... Who controls the Money in the USA ???
and Im saying again....
The politic of Israel was too long protected ,no matter what they did ore do
Please tell me who controls the money in the middleastern arab countries and who sanctions the politics? And who supports and controls the money flow for the illegal arms shipments into Gaza? From Europe, the middleast and through the U.S. Palestinian organizations perhaps? And you are asking about who controls the money in the USA?
I have nothing against the Muslims as a people as there are truly many good people of this faith and they do not aspire to the radical teachings of the Koran but truly want peace. But I do take issue with those who want my people destroyed anywhere in the world at any cost and will send their emmisaries out there to do it. Even to murder unarmed Jews. And use the Koranic teachings as their right to murder Jews. Does Mumbai or the 1972 Munich Olympics sound familiar? The Chabad in India and the Israeli wrestling team were unarmed and murdered only because they were Jews. No other reason behind their murders.
You are living in a hotbed area of the world that has cost many people their lives in the past century in major massacres. Surely you can understand why the Israelis have taken such a tough stance now. Israel fights for the survival of it's people from another major massacre like WW2 and the incidents I mentioned here.
Perhaps I am wrong but in your area of the world, was it not the intention of true ethnic cleansing in your last major war or was one side trying to just take over land that it felt it deserved? Please correct me if I am mistaken here. You are probably more familiar with the history of what occurred in your native country so I respect your views as you explain it.
Boban, I am a 2nd generation descendant of survivors of the Russian-Polish pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th centuries that were aimed at annihilating and decimating Jewish communities. So it makes me sick today to see Hamas videos of them teaching their children to kill Jews, follow the Hamas political constitution, see videos of Palestinians chanting and dancing in joy as 3000 unarmed American people died in 911 or the stealing of the food and supplies that were in a UN warehouse in Gaza. It is obvious that the world is so very blind to what Hamas has done to it's own people or forgets very quickly.
The Palestinians most certainly do deserve a homeland too but not at the cost of every Jewish life. Hamas is not about wanting land for the Gazans but about permanent Jewish anihilation. And they will stop at nothing to acheive it.
Sadly,Muslims are behind the 911 attacks. And if not for the vigilance of the US security here after 911, more than just the Twin Towers would be gone by now. Look at the ethic identities of the terrorists on the plane and you can trace the training camps where they trained. Of course this was a Muslim radical hit on the US in New York. Conspiracy theories abound always.
Again, no disrespect to you in any way whatsoever Boban. I enjoy your posts.
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lindsey1651: Thank you for your support.! Lillylady.Very eloquently and well said
Israel is not a terrorist state all those people who think that are just plain and ignorantly stupid and are brain washed by Islam already.
There is no hope for any of you if that is the case say goodbye to your freedom and the freedom of your future children , grandchildren etc etc as you ahve all encouraged it!!
Israe Israel Israel!!!!
And to you islam supporteres all over the world who are supposed to be christian or whatever you are -
Israel is not a terrorist state all those people who think that are just plain and ignorantly stupid and are brain washed by Islam already.
There is no hope for any of you if that is the case say goodbye to your freedom and the freedom of your future children , grandchildren etc etc as you ahve all encouraged it!!
Israe Israel Israel!!!!
And to you islam supporteres all over the world who are supposed to be christian or whatever you are -
Also very eloquently said again as usual.
I love your candidness as you don't sugarcoat anything or see the situation through a rose colored set of eyeglasses or are gullible. You call a spade a spade and call the situation as it really is. You have my support and respect young lady.
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u2Kitty: I`d say the IDF
They jumped the bait - unfornately it costed lives - but it certainly opened the eyes of even more people to see what is happening to the Palestinian people
For too long Israel has been able to give a damn about international laws - but this could very well end their party!
They jumped the bait - unfornately it costed lives - but it certainly opened the eyes of even more people to see what is happening to the Palestinian people
For too long Israel has been able to give a damn about international laws - but this could very well end their party!
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lindsey1651: I love Israel and I love the Jews!!! so go on everyone condemn me ???? atleast Jews dont want to take over the world and force one religion upon us all! oh and when Islam does get a huge grip on the world in 20yrs time dont all bloody moan when you have no more rights and cant do or say anything you want anymore as you have all encouraged it to happen.
did jews Blow the twin towers up?
did jews Bomb London?
Did jews declare war on behalf of islam?
does Judaism declare that its right to kill westerners in the name of G-D??
no they bloody dont!
jews have always had to fight to exsist and its not fair and they have always been persecuted and it isnt fair and attacked and WHYWHYWHY??? Leave them alone to live happily they have a right to a home aswell as anyone else does.
so now let all the muslim supporters attack me for this now come on i am waiting! muslims frighten me they are not peaceful people and only want war and death that is all i see all the trouble is always in muslim countries always.
So come on with the insults as i really dont care you can all support Islam i will support what i believe to be right. and more over from what i actually see on tele everyday!!
this world will never live in peace while all this is going on! no one will let each other have their own opinion on religion why cant you all accept what you believe in to be right and let others believe in what they want to?
Here come the insults is there anyone out there brave enought to stand up for jews like me? or are you all cowards??
did jews Blow the twin towers up?
did jews Bomb London?
Did jews declare war on behalf of islam?
does Judaism declare that its right to kill westerners in the name of G-D??
no they bloody dont!
jews have always had to fight to exsist and its not fair and they have always been persecuted and it isnt fair and attacked and WHYWHYWHY??? Leave them alone to live happily they have a right to a home aswell as anyone else does.
so now let all the muslim supporters attack me for this now come on i am waiting! muslims frighten me they are not peaceful people and only want war and death that is all i see all the trouble is always in muslim countries always.
So come on with the insults as i really dont care you can all support Islam i will support what i believe to be right. and more over from what i actually see on tele everyday!!
this world will never live in peace while all this is going on! no one will let each other have their own opinion on religion why cant you all accept what you believe in to be right and let others believe in what they want to?
Here come the insults is there anyone out there brave enought to stand up for jews like me? or are you all cowards??
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Stop US aid to Israel End the Genocide Peace to the middle east.
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Abram: It was interesting, but of my interest, and truth in whose interest is being promoted, I looked a bit more.
May-06-2010 05:22 "(JERUSALEM / SALEM) - Gila Svirsky of Jerusalem, is the founder of the Coalition of Women for Peace and also the former CEO of the New Israel Fund. She visited the U.S. last September, and we connected with her here in Salem, Oregon. We had a wonderful interview, and in turn I provided her point of view to our viewers.
Israel's News 1 published an article titled, B'Tselem calls on Chairman Obama to pressure Israel, that portrays Gila's visit last summer in a poor light; they are angry that Gila Svirsky issued a letter to President Obama asking for help in their effort to help bring real peace to Israel,"
"Dear President Obama,
I’m an Israeli peace activist and I really need your help. I’ve been working for over twenty years to make my country – Israel – a safe place for my children, and now is the first time I think I really have a chance to get there. Because you’re in the White House.
I know we‘re on the same page: Divide the land (more or less on the pre-1967 border) so that we end up with two sovereign states – Israel and Palestine....It was a relief, Mr. President, to hear your clear statements in Cairo: "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements…It is time for these settlements to stop.”...The United States has the power to get it done: Your military aid – some $4 billion dollars a year – gives you the right and obligation to demand that Israel stop building the settlements and start withdrawing the settlers. Without U.S. financial aid, Israel would not have the wherewithal to keep building and protecting the settlements (at the expense of our schools and hospitals). Without U.S. backing in international arenas, Israel would be alone in pursuing its policies of occupation.
Mr. President, you can write a historic chapter of peace in the Middle East, if only you don’t back down from your demand that both sides engage in good-faith negotiations. Don’t let the extremists continue to set the agenda."
"The flotilla was endorsed by EU-funded Israel Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD), EU- and European-funded Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR), NIF-funded Coalition of Women for Peace, European-funded Alternative Information Center (AIC), and Israeli groups New Profile, Bat Shalom, Yesh Gvul, and Zochrot.
Jeff Halper, executive director of ICAHD, is on the board of advisors of the Free Gaza Movement.
Turkish group IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi) purchased three of the flotilla ships, including the Mavi Marmaris."
Hi Abram! Hope you are doing well!May-06-2010 05:22 "(JERUSALEM / SALEM) - Gila Svirsky of Jerusalem, is the founder of the Coalition of Women for Peace and also the former CEO of the New Israel Fund. She visited the U.S. last September, and we connected with her here in Salem, Oregon. We had a wonderful interview, and in turn I provided her point of view to our viewers.
Israel's News 1 published an article titled, B'Tselem calls on Chairman Obama to pressure Israel, that portrays Gila's visit last summer in a poor light; they are angry that Gila Svirsky issued a letter to President Obama asking for help in their effort to help bring real peace to Israel,"
"Dear President Obama,
I’m an Israeli peace activist and I really need your help. I’ve been working for over twenty years to make my country – Israel – a safe place for my children, and now is the first time I think I really have a chance to get there. Because you’re in the White House.
I know we‘re on the same page: Divide the land (more or less on the pre-1967 border) so that we end up with two sovereign states – Israel and Palestine....It was a relief, Mr. President, to hear your clear statements in Cairo: "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements…It is time for these settlements to stop.”...The United States has the power to get it done: Your military aid – some $4 billion dollars a year – gives you the right and obligation to demand that Israel stop building the settlements and start withdrawing the settlers. Without U.S. financial aid, Israel would not have the wherewithal to keep building and protecting the settlements (at the expense of our schools and hospitals). Without U.S. backing in international arenas, Israel would be alone in pursuing its policies of occupation.
Mr. President, you can write a historic chapter of peace in the Middle East, if only you don’t back down from your demand that both sides engage in good-faith negotiations. Don’t let the extremists continue to set the agenda."
"The flotilla was endorsed by EU-funded Israel Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD), EU- and European-funded Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR), NIF-funded Coalition of Women for Peace, European-funded Alternative Information Center (AIC), and Israeli groups New Profile, Bat Shalom, Yesh Gvul, and Zochrot.
Jeff Halper, executive director of ICAHD, is on the board of advisors of the Free Gaza Movement.
Turkish group IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi) purchased three of the flotilla ships, including the Mavi Marmaris."
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SilverBirch: All we are saying ,..is give Peace a chance.......
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Pray for all the "Anne Franks" in Gaza. Help is on the way.
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sharmini: THE EIGHT BEATITUDES OF JESUS"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10
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This time the battle won't be so one-sided.
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BebeII: Hi Abram! Hope you are doing well!
Even when not doing well, I am better. Kind of like what I see going on with this turbulance. I already know the winner, and always ready to assist others in joining the winning side. 
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LILLYLADY: And use the Koranic teachings as their right to murder Jews.
On the other hand Zionists are using Torah to justify occupying and oppression of Palestine.
LILLYLADY: So it makes me sick today to see Hamas videos of them teaching their children to kill Jews, follow the Hamas political constitution, see videos of Palestinians chanting and dancing in joy as 3000 unarmed American people died in 911 or the stealing of the food and supplies that were in a UN warehouse in Gaza.
Yes, it's sickening as is opposite.
Some Israelians celebrating deaths of flotilla
Settlers beating old Palestinian woman
Settler kids throwing stones at woman and child
LILLYLADY: It is obvious that the world is so very blind to what Hamas has done to it's own people or forgets very quickly.
Not blind at all, but two wrongs don't make a right.
LILLYLADY: The Palestinians most certainly do deserve a homeland too but not at the cost of every Jewish life.
But Palestinian lifes seem expendable...
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emannigol: "At the end, I will show what the other side is doing"
And this differs from what you are accusing me of how?
And this differs from what you are accusing me of how?
If you will note from the title of the thread and the participants the issues being avoided are the actions and intent of Hamas while the content is solely the transgressions of Israel without any attention paid to why they act.
emannigol:
Is provocation giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
Is provocation giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
A civilian would not try to stop a soldier carrying out his duties on the field of battle. What is a civilian doing in an Hamas fighting position?
emannigol: We know that both sides are sharing the blame of violence.
Wouldn't have guessed it considering the one sided venom towards Israel and the free pass consistently given to Hamas.
emannigol:
Is hate giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
Is hate giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
Have you a good way to stop Hamas from firing rockets? If you don't, then the Israeli people who demand to be protected will simply elect a government that will. All Palestinian considerations secondary.
emannigol:
Is this kind of acts giving right to restrict work of humanitary aid organisations on region so the situation is getting even worse for civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
Is this kind of acts giving right to restrict work of humanitary aid organisations on region so the situation is getting even worse for civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.
Not irrelevant. Isrtael is at war with Hamas and, because Hamas is the government, Israel is at war with Palestine which is occupied by the Palestinian people. The people of Palestine are at war with Israel hence, supplies have to be able to be monitored to ensure they will not be used by the Palestinian military.
emannigol: We know that well being of Palestinian civilians isn't the most important issue for both sides.
Exactly.
emannigol: Dialogue? We can blame Palestians and Hamas as much we like but we should close our eyes from Israel's violations? We can blame Palestinians and Hamas without considering what Israel has done, but only looking things otherway is one dimensional? One side can be blamed and one not.
It would be nice if from time to time some of the Shills would send a barb in the direction of Palestine. This blame Israel for everything is getting pretty old and, is very counter productive.
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SilverBirch: Pray for all the "Anne Franks" in Gaza. Help is on the way.
One 'Ann Frank'
In response to: Wafa Idriss was a nurse with the Red Crescent, the Palestinian version of the Red Cross. On January 27, 2002, the 28 year-old nurse walked into a shopping district on Jerusalem's Jaffa Road and detonated a bomb killing herself, an Israeli and injuring 150 others.
SilverBirch: Stop US aid to Israel End the Genocide Peace to the middle east.
Yes do that. Allow China or Russia to take the US's place and then there will be absolutely no restraint or need for Israel to please public opinion.
On second thought, just try it and when overtures are made by those two countries the aid to Israel will double.
SilverBirch: Pray for all the "Anne Franks" in Gaza. Help is on the way.
There will be more Shilltillas and, lots more landings at Ashod.
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Albertaghost: If you will note from the title of the thread and the participants the issues being avoided are the actions and intent of Hamas while the content is solely the transgressions of Israel without any attention paid to why they act.
Why they act isn't justifying how they act.
Albertaghost: A civilian would not try to stop a soldier carrying out his duties on the field of battle. What is a civilian doing in an Hamas fighting position?
So ship full of civilians and humanitarian aid in international waters is now a field of battle? No wonder it's okay for soldiers to shoot (agitated and violent) civilians to their backs and heads.
Albertaghost: Have you a good way to stop Hamas from firing rockets? If you don't, then the Israeli people who demand to be protected will simply elect a government that will.
That's one of the main problems. Government needs to show that it's doing something: no matter how inefficient it is. With military action and oppression people can get their revenge if nothing else.
Albertaghost: Isrtael is at war with Hamas and, because Hamas is the government, Israel is at war with Palestine which is occupied by the Palestinian people. The people of Palestine are at war with Israel hence, supplies have to be able to be monitored to ensure they will not be used by the Palestinian military.
Seems like you are right in this situation. War against Palestinian people as you said. Yes, that makes sense. And that's exactly why it's condemned by so many.
Albertaghost: It would be nice if from time to time some of the Shills would send a barb in the direction of Palestine. This blame Israel for everything is getting pretty old and, is very counter productive.
Yes I'm condemning terrorist acts and hate propaganda carried out by Hamas or any other organisation or individual.
So, can we get back to topic again?
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emannigol: Why they act isn't justifying how they act.
So ship full of civilians and humanitarian aid in international waters is now a field of battle? No wonder it's okay for soldiers to shoot (agitated and violent) civilians to their backs and heads.
So ship full of civilians and humanitarian aid in international waters is now a field of battle? No wonder it's okay for soldiers to shoot (agitated and violent) civilians to their backs and heads.
You will note that the ships which did as they were told had no problems and only the one where the boarding party was attacked did.
emannigol:
That's one of the main problems. Government needs to show that it's doing something: no matter how inefficient it is. With military action and oppression people can get their revenge if nothing else.
That's one of the main problems. Government needs to show that it's doing something: no matter how inefficient it is. With military action and oppression people can get their revenge if nothing else.
You missed my point. Israel is a country composed of people who elect their government. A government's prime responsibility is to protect their tax base from harm and, if they cannot do that then they will be replaced. Hence, any government of Israel that allows harm to come to it's tax base will be thrown out until one does at which time, considerations of the world of Shills matters squat if they wish to survive as a ruling government. Hence, the only thing that can change is Hamas and Palestine.
emannigol:
Seems like you are right in this situation. War against Palestinian people as you said. Yes, that makes sense. And that's exactly why it's condemned by so many.
Seems like you are right in this situation. War against Palestinian people as you said. Yes, that makes sense. And that's exactly why it's condemned by so many.
And why so many people are wrong. Hamas and Palestine are at war with the Israeli people, Israel is only at war with those who try to harm them. You can find official Hamas doctrines that espouse the destruction of the state of Israel however, nowhere is there any such reciprocal doctrine on the Israeli side.
emannigol:
Yes I'm condemning terrorist acts and hate propaganda carried out by Hamas or any other organisation or individual.
Yes I'm condemning terrorist acts and hate propaganda carried out by Hamas or any other organisation or individual.
Would you be so kind as to provide a few to show your impartiality and, what do the Hamas supporters say when you post their transgressions on those forums?
emannigol: So, can we get back to topic again?
Sure, that topic being that Israel is scum and Hamas we won't even bother mentioning how they do everything in their power to kill Israeli civilians.
Ok, they do. And Israel has a policy to try to stop them.
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Albertaghost: Sure, that topic being that Israel is scum and Hamas we won't even bother mentioning how they do everything in their power to kill Israeli civilians.
Or how it's impossible to criticize Israeli politics without being anti semite, anti Israel, pro Hamas and terrorist. Everything is justified because they are fighting demonized enemies. That's really black and white extremist thinking. Real democracy and freedom of speech.
Peace, over and out.
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Then it would be good it you could lead the peace talks...