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Jun 5, 2010 3:47 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Steevyv: What makes you think that you are better?
In Israel is ruling military junta the same way as it does in North Korea .

You can't fool nobody with changing suits of Israeli

"politicians" from military uniform to "civilian".

None of them has rank lower than brigade general and the most
"successful" are those from special units cause they are well known as guys trained on democratic traditions of such units with, special, great filling and respect for human, Palestinian or everybodys else who don't think like them, life.

Nathan Yahu, Tizi Lipi etc. democrats ?

Natan Yahu , Tizi Lipi and human rights ?

Of course but don't turn them back.

In Israel nobody can become nothing in politics if he is not

from army or MOSAD circles.

Accidentally?

Of course not.

Israel militants and eagles organized so system that they have

no concurrency. and that they can do what they wish.


So, democracy in Israel?

Like leaders like state.

You have not civilian government but the same as it has

not people in North Korea but North Koreans are evil inside

their frontiers and Israel is in and out.

North Koreans are not killing civilians in their environment and

are not conquering foreign territories doing ethnic cleansing on

them .

And at least, none of North Korean "politicians" is not a war

criminal Israeli are.

So, what makes you think that you are better than they are?

You are worse.
For your edification: Pictures of the inhumane starvation of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
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Jun 5, 2010 4:08 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
YET FOR ALL the high-tech and Frankenstein weaponry, perhaps Israel’s most vicious arm against the Palestinians has been “al-hissar”, the siege, imposed on the Gaza Strip 19 months ago when Hamas, after winning a democratic election that the world refused to recognise, seized power from the Fatah Palestinian Authority.

The world turned a blind eye as Gazans languished in the world’s biggest prison, unable to travel, import, export or interact with anyone or anything beyond their borders. And the world largely ignored the rockets Hamas fired in anger and frustration from within the siege.

As a result of this dual negligence the conflict exploded, killing 13 Israelis and 1,300 Palestinians.

The siege was one reason casualties were so high in the three-week war, says Fred Abrahams of Human Rights Watch. With the Israeli and Egyptian borders closed, “It wasn’t possible for Gazans to escape. The only way to get out was on a stretcher.”

For 19 months, Gaza has endured shortages of fuel, food, medicine and building materials. The Palestinians suffer the additional humiliation of using their tormentors’ currency, but two months ago the Israeli government cut the supply of shekels, creating a severe cash shortage. Fayad Salam, the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, was forced to plea with the Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert.

There were long queues at ATMs in Gaza City this week, but no matter how much they have in salary or savings, cash is rationed and Palestinians can withdraw only 1,000 Israeli shekels per month. “If the Israelis could deprive us of air, they would do it,” says a Palestinian doctor.

The siege of Gaza lies at the heart of the conflict. “If the Israelis want the war to end, they must open all the borders and end the siege,” says Hamas government spokesman Tahir al-Nounou. “Because the siege is war; the siege is killing our people.”

The only lifeline for Gaza are some 1,300 tunnels beneath the Gaza-Egyptian border. It costs $10,000 (€7,800) to dig a tunnel. The best tunnels are bored with sophisticated machines that compress earthen walls so no give-away sand appears outside. Some have railway tracks and electricity, and the tunnels are a lucrative business for Gazans and Egyptians. Because Hamas is believed to import weapons through the tunnels, Israel carpet-bombed them during the offensive. Yet only an estimated 400 were destroyed, and by mid-week the tunnels were again open. Huge plastic cubes in metal frames, holding petrol, appeared on the pavements of Gaza City.

But the return to a semblance of normality cannot efface the three-week nightmare. Whole families were wiped out. Abu Mohamed Balousha, who lost five daughters, and the Samounis of Zeitoun, where a four-year-old boy was the only survivor in a family of 30, have become causes célèbres.

Everyone has a worst memory. For ambulance driver Hathem Saleh, it was desperate telephone calls from the wounded. “When you have been talking to him on the phone and you cannot reach him because the Israeli tank will hit you – it happened to me many times . . . I could hear cries and the Israelis were shooting at us.”

Dr Mahmoud al Khozendar, a chest physician, tells of a colleague whose Russian wife was cut in half when an Israeli missile hit their home. It also killed their six-month-old child. “He took the two parts of his wife and put her on the bed with the baby. He escaped with a wounded son and daughter, and asked the Red Crescent to go back for the bodies.”

At Shifa, al Khozendar had a room full of limbs he could not match with bodies, and one body with two heads. “Most of the bodies were buried without names,” he says.

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Jun 5, 2010 4:13 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
Author Mario Vargas Llosa: I'm ashamed to be Israel's friend
Former Peruvian presidential candidate blasts Israel's 'out of proportion' Gaza operation at Madrid convention.
By Gideon Levy and Haaretz Correspondent Internationally acclaimed author and former Peruvian presidential candidate, Mario Vargas Llosa, over the weekend slammed Israel's "out of proportion" operation in the Gaza Strip, saying he was ashamed of being Israel's friend.

The Jerusalem Prize recipient rebuked Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's administration at a Madrid convention organized by the International Freedom Fund, a South American research fund headed by Vargas Llosa and based out of Argentina.

"Israel had become a powerful and arrogant country, and it is the role of its friends to be highly critical of its policies," Vargas Llosa said.

On the Israel Defense Forces operation in the Gaza Strip, Vargas Llosa told Haaretz that "my impression is that among military and security circles there is a lack of confidence in your new Defense Minister. He was soft and moderate during the election campaign, and it looks like the current activity of the IDF is being used by the army in order to test him and the new government, and push them to take more extreme measures in order to prevent any change of Israel's policy toward the Palestinians."

"Israel's response to the abduction of the soldier and the firing of Qassam rockets was excessively severe," he said.

"Undoubtedly the abduction of the soldier is an unacceptable move, and the firing of Qassam rockets proves that there are radicals on both sides, but the Israeli response is out of proportion. Paradoxically, the extremists on both sides have a shared agenda and its purpose is to prevent any chance for negotiations and mutual concessions."

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Jun 5, 2010 4:20 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range
Exclusive: Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal




Israel was tonight under pressure to allow an independent inquiry into its assault on the Gaza aid flotilla after autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.

Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.

The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.

The findings emerged as more survivors gave their accounts of the raids. Ismail Patel, the chairman of Leicester-based pro-Palestinian group Friends of al-Aqsa, who returned to Britain today, told how he witnessed some of the fatal shootings and claimed that Israel had operated a "shoot to kill policy".

He calculated that during the bloodiest part of the assault, Israeli commandos shot one person every minute. One man was fatally shot in the back of the head just two feet in front him and another was shot once between the eyes. He added that as well as the fatally wounded, 48 others were suffering from gunshot wounds and six activists remained missing, suggesting the death toll may increase.

The new information about the manner and intensity of the killings undermines Israel's insistence that its soldiers opened fire only in self defence and in response to attacks by the activists.

"Given the very disturbing evidence which contradicts the line from the Israeli media and suggests that Israelis have been very selective in the way they have addressed this, there is now an overwhelming need for an international inquiry," said Andrew Slaughter MP, a member of the all party group on Britain and Palestine.

Israel said tonight the number of bullets found in the bodies did not alter the fact that the soldiers were acting in self defence. "The only situation when a soldier shot was when it was a clearly a life-threatening situation," said a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London. "Pulling the trigger quickly can result in a few bullets being in the same body, but does not change the fact they were in a life-threatening situation."wow

Protesters from across the country will tomorrow march from Downing Street to the Israeli embassy to call for Israel to be held to account for its actions.


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Jun 5, 2010 4:32 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
emannigol: "At the end, I will show what the other side is doing"

And this differs from what you are accusing me of how?
Is provocation giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.

We know that both sides are sharing the blame of violence.
Is hate giving a right for breaking human rights and endangering civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.

We know that both sides have plenty of hate against each other.
Is this kind of acts giving right to restrict work of humanitary aid organisations on region so the situation is getting even worse for civilians? I think not. So it's irrelevant concidering the topic.

We know that well being of Palestinian civilians isn't the most important issue for both sides.
Dialogue? We can blame Palestians and Hamas as much we like but we should close our eyes from Israel's violations? We can blame Palestinians and Hamas without considering what Israel has done, but only looking things otherway is one dimensional? One side can be blamed and one not.


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Jun 5, 2010 6:32 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
BebeII: For your edification: Pictures of the inhumane starvation of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip



According to UN sources in Gaza ghetto are coming 25 % of what Palestinian hostages captured there needs.

Such pictures as those you printed here are well known still from Dr. Goebbels times .


Nice try. comfort
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Jun 5, 2010 7:18 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Gaza's markets of unaffordable goods conceal reality of people under siege

Daily struggles of Gazans contradict Israeli claims that aid flotilla's mission was redundant as there is no humanitarian crisis
Gaza blockage lifted Gazans inspect goods allowed in by Israel. What is allowed and what isn't is based on an ever-changing and mystifying criteria.

It's Friday, the Muslim weekend, and the Sharif family are looking forward to the highlight of their week: chicken for lunch. In the bare kitchen of their home in the overcrowded Beach refugee camp, Amal Sharif, 45, bends over a steaming pan of maftoul – stewed chicken with couscous – as the younger of her 10 children run in and out in excited anticipation.

Chicken – this large one cost 60 shekels (£10.60) – is a once-a-week treat. The rest of the time the family mainly exists on UN handouts of flour, rice and oil, alongside small cash grants. The children ask for fruit, an impossible luxury, and the family has not eaten beef for a year.

For 18 years, her husband, Adal Sharif, 47, earned a good living working for a shipping firm in Israel. That ended in 2000 when Israel sealed Gazans behind fences and walls at the start of the second intifada.

His next career, as a fisherman, ended when his boat was destroyed during the three-week Gaza war in 2008-9.

Clutching prayer beads in one hand and a cigarette in the other, Sharif says: "My income has dropped 100%. When you have no money, everything is too expensive."

His daily struggle to feed his family contradicts statements this week by Israeli officials that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Since Israel launched a bloody assault on the flotilla attempting to bring aid to the besieged Gaza Strip, Tel Aviv has repeatedly insisted that the mission was redundant.

But the piles of food in the markets – fruit, vegetables, nuts, sweets even live rabbits – are unaffordable to most in the strip and obscure a complex picture of rising poverty, a parallel economy, and brewing anger among Gazans at the micro-control that Israel exerts over their daily lives.

What is allowed in and what is denied is ever-changing according to mystifying and capricious criteria. To Gazans it is hard to understand why coriander is banned but cinnamon is allowed, why children are denied toys and car owners spare parts.

"Two weeks ago they stopped coffee beans," says Raed Fatouh, who co-ordinates with the Israelis on the crossing points. "I called them, and they said they couldn't allow in beans, only ground coffee."

The reason, he said, was that beans require grinding and that could be categorised as an industrial process.

"It's the same with butter. If it comes in a 20kg slab they won't allow it because it needs to be cut up. But they will allow in small packets of butter. They won't let anything in that could provide work for a small business."

Basic food aid is permitted. Eight in 10 Gazans are dependent on aid, and the distribution points around Gaza City were this week doing considerably brisker business than grocery stores.

At one depot, run by the UN relief and works agency, Dina Aldan, 22, is queueing amid a throng of women in black jilbab clutching her ration card along with her five-month old baby, Najwan. Through a warehouse hatch she is thrust a clear plastic bag for her family of five: two bottles of cooking oil, 3kg (6.6lb) of sugar, 3kg of rice, a bag of milk and a can of corned mutton. The 30kg of flour Aldan is entitled to would require someone with stronger arms.

To be continued
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Jun 5, 2010 7:21 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
"I get these supplies every three months but they only last one week," she says. "I have to go the market for other food, but everything is so expensive, the quality is not good and many things I can't get."

Her husband, a glass worker, works one day in 10. Their home was destroyed in the Gaza war and now the rent drains the family income.

For Dina Aldan and many like her there is a difficult choice about whether to take home the aid or to sell it to the traders who wait outside the depot.

The UN says it does not police what recipients do with the aid, but acknowledges that the poor have a variety of needs that they struggle to meet. "The slow death of the Gazan economy means that some of the poorest people have been reduced to a demonetarised medieval barter system," says a UN spokesman, Chris Gunness.

Gaza's once-thriving legitimate economy has been largely supplanted by the illegal import of goods smuggled through tunnels from Egypt.

This parallel market, which is estimated to provide employment for about 200,000 people, superficially appears to be catering well to the needs of the population.

Israel points to the wide range of goods available in Gaza's shops. But customers and shop owners have a different story to tell.

In a well-stocked grocery store in Gaza City, 62-year-old Abu Hassan is poring over his accounts spread out on the counter. His family have owned the shop for 50 years, but business has never been worse. "How many customers did you see come into the shop while you've been here?" he asks. "Not one."

The tunnel goods are very expensive, he says, and poor quality. He produces a packet of Egyptian biscuits, crushed inside their wrappings. He had been forced to jettison the entire consignment without compensation from his dealers. "There's nothing I can do, and I had paid for it in advance," he says.

Nearby, Walid Naim, 42, gestures to the piles of high-definition televisions, blenders, microwaves, washing machines, fridge freezers, hair straighteners and vacuum cleaners in his family-owned business. "Everything is from the tunnels," he says, sipping from a tiny porcelain cup of Arabic coffee. "We used to make money, but now people have no cash to buy goods." Electricity blackouts for up to eight hours a day don't help. "Why buy electrical goods if you can't use them?" Naim asks with a shrug.

"The world doesn't understand the crisis in Gaza," adds his brother, Wissam, 35, against the headache-inducing thrum of generators that is part of Gaza's soundtrack. "The whole world is punishing us."

There are suggestions that, following the international furore generated by the assault on the aid flotilla, Israel could ease its blockade to allow additional food relief into the Gaza Strip.

But the siege of Gaza is not just about bags of flour or bottles of cooking oil, important though they are.

The health system is in crisis, the UN says, with a critical shortage of medical equipment. The UN is unable to repair schools damaged in the Gaza war, or build new ones to cope with the exploding population. Paper, desks and other basic school supplies are hard to obtain.

And the impact of the siege extends beyond material items to a psychological isolation. "We are also under siege mentally – we are disconnected from the rest of the world," says economist Omar Shaban.

To be continued
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Jun 5, 2010 7:24 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Analysts and aid organisations reject Israel's dismissal of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

"People think Gaza is like Darfur," says Shaban. "It's totally different. It's not about a lack of food, but the number of people who can't afford to buy the food is increasing. That is a humanitarian crisis."

His point is echoed by Gunness. "This is not a sub-Saharan crisis. It's a politically driven crisis with grave humanitarian consequences."

Back in the jumble of breeze-block buildings in the Beach refugee camp, Adal Sharif is contemplating the future for his large brood of children. "I'm not optimistic," he says, twisting his prayer beads. "But I'm asking Europe to put pressure on Israel to lift the siege, to let my children live and feel freedom."
Gaza in figures

• Unemployment is at 44%

• Eight out of 10 Gazans are dependent on aid

• The number of people defined as the "abject poor" (unable to feed themselves or their families) has increased from 100,000 to 300,000 in past 12 months

• GDP per capita fell from $2,500 (£1,718) in 1998/99 to $600 last year

• An estimated 20,000 people work in the tunnels industry

• Oxfam estimates that last week 631 trucks of carrying humanitarian supplies were permitted entry – 22% of the weekly average (2,807 truckloads) before Israel's blockade

• Last week 871 tonnes of cooking gas reportedly entered Gaza, half of the normal weekly level

• 1,063m litres of industrial fuel were delivered that week for Gaza's power plant – only 30% of the 3.5m litres needed weekly.
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Jun 5, 2010 7:32 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Can you tell me why,the majority of jews,connected with art,writers,academics,etc,in Israel and in diaspora, donnt agree with the behavior of Israel.I remember Woody Alen saying this """ I did not know,collecting money for Israel,as a boy,was going to be used killing innocent Palestinians""" , are you so naive with your reference, www.palroday. to tell us, that even with the Israeli blockade, the Palestinians live well,even if you go to the poorest country in the world, fruit markets will be full of goods.
BebeII: For your edification: Pictures of the inhumane starvation of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
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Jun 5, 2010 7:36 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Israeli spokesman Mark Regev accuses those on board the "Rachel Corrie" (the second aid ship pirated by the IDF) of "hipocracy"
because 'they want to bring humanitarian aid to Hamas who is guilty of human rights violations"

ROTFLMAO

as if Israel dosn't commit human rights violations.....

the "Rachel Corrie" was named after a young Irish girl crushed to death by a Israeli bulldozer as she protested yet another Gaza home being demolished.

These thugs must be brought to justice.

Boycott any and every Israeli import/export, business, Stop US aid to Israel. Please President No Drama-Obama,..Now is the time for Drama. Please stand up to these thugs.
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Jun 5, 2010 8:22 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
The ongoing settlement of Palestine:

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Jun 5, 2010 5:51 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
No sir,. some times people will stand up for what they believe

You think its nine people who were slaughtered that were at fault. Because they 'just wouldn't shut up and listen"

Well sir, you are just as vicious and sick as the sickos in Israel who want to give the murderous IDF comando who shot dead
five of the peace activist defending theirselves and their ships
when the pirates attacked. You sir are sick. And in need of help.
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Jun 5, 2010 6:08 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Steevyv: According to UN sources in Gaza ghetto are coming 25 % of what Palestinian hostages captured there needs.

Such pictures as those you printed here are well known still from Dr. Goebbels times .Nice try.
Don't be so typical-there are plenty of videos on the net showing the same things in Gaza. Perhaps your constant quoting of Goebbels has made you a fan.
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Jun 5, 2010 6:10 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
SilverBirch: No sir,. some times people will stand up for what they believe

You think its nine people who were slaughtered that were at fault. Because they 'just wouldn't shut up and listen"

Well sir, you are just as vicious and sick as the sickos in Israel who want to give the murderous IDF comando who shot dead
five of the peace activist defending theirselves and their ships
when the pirates attacked. You sir are sick. And in need of help.
Uhm, you DO know that the Israeli soldiers were issued PAINT BALL RIFLES and sidearms don't you? You have seen the video's of the soldiers being attacked? You are confusing cause and effect here.
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Jun 5, 2010 6:11 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
SilverBirch: Israeli spokesman Mark Regev accuses those on board the "Rachel Corrie" (the second aid ship pirated by the IDF) of "hipocracy"
because 'they want to bring humanitarian aid to Hamas who is guilty of human rights violations"

ROTFLMAO

as if Israel dosn't commit human rights violations.....

the "Rachel Corrie" was named after a young Irish girl crushed to death by a Israeli bulldozer as she protested yet another Gaza home being demolished.

These thugs must be brought to justice.

Boycott any and every Israeli import/export, business, Stop US aid to Israel. Please President No Drama-Obama,..Now is the time for Drama. Please stand up to these thugs.
Rachel Corrie was American, and she was protesting the demolishment of an EMPTY HOUSE, underneath which were tunnels for smuggling arms.
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Jun 5, 2010 6:20 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
BebeII: Rachel Corrie was American, and she was protesting the demolishment of an EMPTY HOUSE, underneath which were tunnels for smuggling arms.
thumbs up It makes it of greater difficulty trying to talk seriously with them when you confuse them with facts, truth. grin
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Jun 5, 2010 6:26 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
BebeII: Uhm, you DO know that the Israeli soldiers were issued PAINT BALL RIFLES and sidearms don't you? You have seen the video's of the soldiers being attacked? You are confusing cause and effect here.
Uhm, you DO know paint balls don't kill people don't you. And you DO know that these murderers were ATTACKING someone ELSES vessel! And Uhm, you DO KNOW NINE People were slaughtered,...Cause and effect????????????????? Please??
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Jun 5, 2010 6:29 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Abram: It makes it of greater difficulty trying to talk seriously with them when you confuse them with facts, truth.
Oh I see, the fact that the house was empty makes it ok to crush a young woman to death. Oh and yes the fact she was American and not Irish Also makes it ok to crush a young woman to death. Very confuseing.
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Jun 5, 2010 6:32 PM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
SilverBirch: Uhm, you DO know paint balls don't kill people don't you. And you DO know that these murderers were ATTACKING someone ELSES vessel! And Uhm, you DO KNOW NINE People were slaughtered,...Cause and effect????????????????? Please??
The Israeli's, having been set up by the decoy methods on the first boats they boarded, You can bet that when those providing cover, from a distance, saw the attack on fellow soldiers, they were going to protect them.FIRE AT WILL. doh
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