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Jun 7, 2010 5:32 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
lindsey1651: Your welcome I just want the truth to be told to everyone and the truth is here for those that dont really understand but think they are educated enough to comment on the GAZA blockade.

the truth is here in this video so watch it GlEn Beck is right for sure.
All humanitarian aide can be docked elsewhere it doesnt have to go to that ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY POINT PEOPLE! by going to that one point means nothing more than it is Terrorist aid to support Hamas.
So ISRAEL you keep stopping them and boarding those ships as there are people here 100% behind you.

IDF
They are murdering butchers. Nothing more.

Stop US aid to Israel, Boycott Israeli products worldwide.
End the Genocide Peace to the middle east.
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Jun 7, 2010 5:34 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Costapacket
CostapacketCostapacketparis, Centre-Val de Loire France2 Threads 2,182 Posts
SilverBirch: They are murdering butchers. Nothing more.

Stop US aid to Israel, Boycott Israeli products worldwide.
End the Genocide Peace to the middle east.


Dont be so nieve,

It wont stop there we will be next.
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Jun 7, 2010 5:36 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
You guys are really fanatics. This thread has shown that if not anything else.

Shooting armed enemy combatants to their backs and back of their heads from point blank range in battle field would also be at least questionable. However, when it's done to civilians aboard vessel in international waters it's heroism. barf
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Jun 7, 2010 5:40 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
oldfoxyguy: Unfortunately for the world only "Solomon" with his great wisdom could be trusted to make judgement without bias. When two Women claimed a child was theirs. After careful consideration he said "cut the child in half" and the two women would be satisfied. When one of the Womed said no, the chid is hers, Solomon knew who the real Mother was and awarded the child to the real Mother. Only the real mother loved the child enough to give it up to save it. Should all of Gaza be made arid and unlivable just to prove a point? Jacob and Ismael are still fighting after all these years. The hunter still hunts and kills and the intelectual still builds and invents.
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the intelectual still builds weapons and invents ways to kill people, is more precise.
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Jun 7, 2010 5:54 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
davpk10
davpk10davpk10somewhere, New York USA23 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
I will say again the "Aid Fleet" ran pass a block aid that in name alone would tell you that if you tryed to sail past it you would be acting FIRST.....the aid ship did just that which FORCED the block aid to respond.....does not matter the history on eather side but the act is what got the people hurt...professor
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Jun 7, 2010 5:59 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Sad when you have to Quote yourself.....If you want this farce in the middle east to stop.....Then stop taking sides....A balanced worldwide action to help all parties in this conflict is needed not a biased rant against one of the parties as you consistantly do...... We need to get both sides round the peace table but sadly that will never happen when one side has in its declared ambition the total annihilation of the other....grin I DO HOPE FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST...But not at the expense of any one group or nation.....cheers
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Jun 7, 2010 6:03 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
jesus2011
jesus2011jesus2011Adawha, Qatar3 Threads 6 Posts
Israel has attempted to justify its deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship last week by accusing five of its passengers of being "active terror operatives linked to al-Qaeda, Hamas and other armed groups.

In a statement, Israeli authorities named five passengers it said were "known to be involved in terrorist activity".

But at least one of those named told Al Jazeera that Israel's claim was baseless.

Rejecting Israeli allegations that he was a "radical anti-Israel activist" who was travelling to Gaza to "train a commando unit", Ken O'Keefe, a British-American citizen, said he had never carried arms for the group.
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Jun 7, 2010 6:31 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
tanglewood10
tanglewood10tanglewood10killarney, Kerry Ireland12 Threads 325 Posts
patmac: Sad when you have to Quote yourself.....If you want this farce in the middle east to stop.....Then stop taking sides....A balanced worldwide action to help all parties in this conflict is needed not a biased rant against one of the parties as you consistantly do...... We need to get both sides round the peace table but sadly that will never happen when one side has in its declared ambition the total annihilation of the other.... I DO HOPE FOR PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST...But not at the expense of any one group or nation.....


Well said Patthumbs up
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Jun 7, 2010 6:42 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Costapacket
CostapacketCostapacketparis, Centre-Val de Loire France2 Threads 2,182 Posts
Do you people realise how dangerous this Pro Hamas vote is?

Hamas have sworn to kill all Israelis, with no chance of peace ever!

Do you think they will stop there?

There would be total intolerance to anybody that didn’t do what they ruled fit.

Look at the world today, a cartoon as a joke can cause death threats, they disrespect our security laws regarding burkas, the Swiss voted on temples being built and this provoked a death threats again them.

Just imagine a world where free thought was outlawed,

What if science proved the world began at a time different to the Qoran’s version?

I for one value my freedom.
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Jun 7, 2010 6:46 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
bjk68
bjk68bjk68Carlow, Ireland5 Threads 890 Posts
Jesus, this thread is still on the go... amazed it hasn't hit the 50 page mark
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Jun 7, 2010 7:20 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
From The Sunday Times
June 6, 2010
Mind of a killer: anger, paranoia and misery
Derrick Bird was probably seeking revenge for everything that had gone wrong in his life
Jack Levin

DERRICK BIRD’s murderous rampage was, in many respects, reminiscent of other shooting sprees on both sides of the Atlantic. The chances are that Bird blamed all his woes — economic and personal — on other people and decided to get even with them through the barrel of a gun.

Many of his victims were apparently shot in the face at point blank range, suggesting that Bird felt no guilt. Instead, he regarded his victims as villains who had conspired against him and deserved to die.

Like most other mass killers, Bird used a firearm, targeting individuals he knew well, including a family member and fellow taxi drivers. What is different from most other mass shootings is that Bird opened fire in 30 different locations rather than in one or two.

True, Bird is not the first mass killer to drive from place to place searching for victims.
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Richard Baumhammers, an unemployed immigration lawyer who lived in suburban Pittsburgh, Pennsylania, despised black people, Jews and immigrants. On April 28, 2000, after killing his next-door neighbour, he set her house on fire and then drove around within a 20-mile area searching for anyone who might be an immigrant or a non-white.

In addition to his Jewish neighbour, Baumhammers shot dead an Indian man, a Chinese man, a Vietnamese man and a black man.

But such acts are rare. Only 16% of all mass killings occur in public places targeting strangers at random. Most are family or workplace rampages in which victims are carefully selected for their perceived role in making the killer’s life miserable.

Or the rampage may occur at a school, where the killer seeks to get even with students who have humiliated him, leaving him feeling worthless. The April 2007 massacre of 32 students and faculty members at Virginia Tech was perpetrated by an undergraduate who had been bullied every day through his middle and high-school years.

His massacre was designed to get revenge, but it also was planned to show his fellow students that he was a dangerous and powerful person, not someone you could easily ignore. In the midst of his killing spree, the killer took a break to post terrifying photos of himself to NBC News, where they were released to the public.

Most mass killers suffer chronic depression and a heightened inability to cope with frustration, even if their friends and relatives are unaware of their psychopathological state.

They externalise responsibility for their problems in life, blaming everybody but themselves for their misery. If they were healthier psychologically, they might change only their philosophy or short-term objectives and live with the results. If they blamed themselves, they might commit suicide.

to be continued
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Jun 7, 2010 7:21 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
The more random the massacre, however, the more likely it is that the killer is not only depressed but also delusional. He may hear voices, be paranoid in a clinical sense, and suffer from a profound thought disorder that leaves him convinced there is a conspiracy against him involving not only particular individuals but all of humankind.

As a result, he seeks revenge against co-workers and family members — and total strangers. If a killer lives to go to court, he might plead not guilty by reason of insanity. One of the most notorious British mass murderers, Michael Ryan, shot dead 16 people in Hungerford, Berkshire, in 1987. Like Bird, Ryan shot a member of his family — his mother — as well as acquaintances and strangers.

There are, of course, millions of depressed people who wouldn’t dream of killing anyone. They may have close friends or relatives who can be counted on for support and encouragement, people who will get them through the hard times.

By contrast, most mass murderers are socially isolated. They may have moved to another town for the sake of a job, be reclusive in their own community, or have a personality that makes asking for help all but impossible. Their relatives and neighbours may therefore see them as quiet or aloof, or as loners, but not as potential mass murderers.

On top of everything else that goes wrong in their lives, most mass killers who are depressed and psychologically alone suffer one or more catastrophic losses before they open fire on their victims. It seems that Bird feared he was about to lose both his money and his liberty.

There is also the question of whether he was influenced by other killers — something that may become apparent once police examine his computer and other materials.

Bird would not be the first killer to be inspired by previous massacres, even if they occurred months or years earlier. In May 1988 Laurie Dann, a 36-year-old woman from suburban Glencoe, Illinois, opened fire in an elementary school, killing one boy and injuring five other pupils. Five months later, James Wilson, 22, from Greenwood, South Carolina, shot to death two eight-year-old pupils in an elementary school there. When police went to his apartment they discovered a photo of Dann, as featured on the cover of People magazine, hanging on the wall by his bed.

Another copycat rampage occurred in October 1991, when 35-year-old George Hennard drove his pickup through a plate glass window at a cafe in Killeen, Texas, where dozens of customers were having lunch. He then opened fire, killing 23 people.

When the police looked through the possessions in his home nearby, they found a videotape that Hennard had just watched showing the 1984 massacre of 21 people, committed by James Huberty, at a restaurant outside San Diego, California. Both killers targeted customers as they ate their lunches and both used a rifle.

There is no way to stop all mass killings. No matter how much help we are willing to give to our troubled friends and neighbours, no matter how effective our psychiatric services, no matter how difficult it is to obtain a weapon, there will always be exceptional cases that result in multiple homicides.

Sadly, occasional mass murder may be the price we pay for living in a country where personal freedom is valued.

Jack Levin is the Brudnick professor of sociology and criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. He has studied mass killings for more than 25 years and has written a number of books on the subject.


What's the difference?

Only in number of victims.
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Jun 7, 2010 7:31 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Veritaas
VeritaasVeritaasLondon, Greater London, England UK2 Threads 5,839 Posts
bjk68: Jesus, this thread is still on the go... amazed it hasn't hit the 50 page mark


Cheers for the giggle!rolling on the floor laughing thumbs up

Might have to start a Part IIrolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 7, 2010 7:59 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Veritaas: Cheers for the giggle!

Might have to start a Part II


In your opinion , how many pages deserves one life?
Yours, or your children, perhaps?
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Jun 7, 2010 8:07 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Veritaas
VeritaasVeritaasLondon, Greater London, England UK2 Threads 5,839 Posts
Steevyv: In your opinion , how many pages deserves one life?
Yours, or your children, perhaps?


The pages in my history book will go to the grave with me.
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Jun 7, 2010 8:14 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Veritaas: The pages in my history book will go to the grave with me.


Rest in peace !
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Jun 7, 2010 8:18 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Veritaas
VeritaasVeritaasLondon, Greater London, England UK2 Threads 5,839 Posts
Steevyv: Rest in peace !


No thanks not whilst I am alive and kicking.
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Jun 7, 2010 8:33 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Veritaas: No thanks not whilst I am alive and kicking.


O.K.

Live thousand years and kick all the time.hug

But, don't annoy others to live.


peace
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Jun 7, 2010 9:01 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Steevyv: The more random the massacre, however, the more likely it is that the killer is not only depressed but also delusional. He may hear voices, be paranoid in a clinical sense, and suffer from a profound thought disorder that leaves him convinced there is a conspiracy against him involving not only particular individuals but all of humankind.

As a result, he seeks revenge against co-workers and family members — and total strangers. If a killer lives to go to court, he might plead not guilty by reason of insanity. One of the most notorious British mass murderers, Michael Ryan, shot dead 16 people in Hungerford, Berkshire, in 1987. Like Bird, Ryan shot a member of his family — his mother — as well as acquaintances and strangers.

There are, of course, millions of depressed people who wouldn’t dream of killing anyone. They may have close friends or relatives who can be counted on for support and encouragement, people who will get them through the hard times.

By contrast, most mass murderers are socially isolated. They may have moved to another town for the sake of a job, be reclusive in their own community, or have a personality that makes asking for help all but impossible. Their relatives and neighbours may therefore see them as quiet or aloof, or as loners, but not as potential mass murderers.

On top of everything else that goes wrong in their lives, most mass killers who are depressed and psychologically alone suffer one or more catastrophic losses before they open fire on their victims. It seems that Bird feared he was about to lose both his money and his liberty.

There is also the question of whether he was influenced by other killers — something that may become apparent once police examine his computer and other materials.

Bird would not be the first killer to be inspired by previous massacres, even if they occurred months or years earlier. In May 1988 Laurie Dann, a 36-year-old woman from suburban Glencoe, Illinois, opened fire in an elementary school, killing one boy and injuring five other pupils. Five months later, James Wilson, 22, from Greenwood, South Carolina, shot to death two eight-year-old pupils in an elementary school there. When police went to his apartment they discovered a photo of Dann, as featured on the cover of People magazine, hanging on the wall by his bed.

Another copycat rampage occurred in October 1991, when 35-year-old George Hennard drove his pickup through a plate glass window at a cafe in Killeen, Texas, where dozens of customers were having lunch. He then opened fire, killing 23 people.

When the police looked through the possessions in his home nearby, they found a videotape that Hennard had just watched showing the 1984 massacre of 21 people, committed by James Huberty, at a restaurant outside San Diego, California. Both killers targeted customers as they ate their lunches and both used a rifle.

There is no way to stop all mass killings. No matter how much help we are willing to give to our troubled friends and neighbours, no matter how effective our psychiatric services, no matter how difficult it is to obtain a weapon, there will always be exceptional cases that result in multiple homicides.

Sadly, occasional mass murder may be the price we pay for living in a country where personal freedom is valued.

Jack Levin is the Brudnick professor of sociology and criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. He has studied mass killings for more than 25 years and has written a number of books on the subject.What's the difference?

Only in number of victims.
What dose this rant have to to with the threaddunno dunno grin cheers
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Jun 7, 2010 9:04 AM CST Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet
tanglewood10
tanglewood10tanglewood10killarney, Kerry Ireland12 Threads 325 Posts
patmac: What dose this rant have to to with the thread


Everything man, read between the lines ,the truth is out there
rolling on the floor laughing
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