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Nov 26, 2010 5:45 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
amahlala: Having worked in hospitals and having been in the medical field for many years, some of what you say is true. However; not all who are wealthy, contribute to charity and not all who are wealthy claim their income on their income taxes.

In most major cities; states have set up "charity hospitals." Have you been in one? Have you determined the level of care that you would receive if you go to one? Did you know that although hospitals are instructed not to turn away anyone in time of medical emergency; if it is determined that you do not have insurance of some type; then you will be sent to the local county hospital? Most are underfunded; staff are overworked and most are teaching hospitals and they receive their funding from the government.

Although you can go in and speak with a hospital administrator to try and reduce your medical bill, in a county hospital, these prices are fixed and it takes going to court to get these bills reduced.


Something tells me that if you worked in the county hospital for over a week, you probably saw the ridiculous amount of waste that goes on.
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Nov 26, 2010 5:47 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
JSuburbia: what exactly does would that have to do with the holocaust being a result of extremism anyways?


Something tells me you watch too much of Keith Olberman.help
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Nov 26, 2010 5:49 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
JSuburbia: what exactly does would that have to do with the holocaust being a result of extremism anyways?


Maybe someone will correct me, but that great liberal who created the Social Security ponzi scheme also put Japanese citizens into prison camps, didn't he? confused
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Nov 26, 2010 7:33 PM CST Tea Party Movement
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
These are very great comments; pro and con. Thank you!

We can only change things in our world if we keep talking and take action, no matter what our opinions. We must accept each other's views.


Ball of Confusion

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Nov 26, 2010 8:03 PM CST Tea Party Movement
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
At Beck Honor America Rally....there were 100s of black and other ethnics in attendance. And a keynote speaker was the daughter of Martin Luther King.

So perhaps with your European knowledge.....add that up for us.....and tell what you think.
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Nov 26, 2010 8:23 PM CST Tea Party Movement
cherryrae
cherryraecherryraesydney, New South Wales Australia390 Posts
johnaustin123: I will give you the mission statement.

What say you?

Tea Party Patriots | Mission Statement and Core Values





its all about the financial investors, er backers, being able to get what they want to advance their profitabliity.

its very simple. get the dumbest candidates, and we, the backers, will have more chance of getting what we want passed, as there is less of a critical eye holding us accountable to the american people.wink

if you buy into their propoganda, then you are being brainwashed to the enth degree
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Nov 26, 2010 8:29 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
cherryrae: grass roots?? backed by koch industries, the second largest corporation in america


I'm sure you're really comfortable w/Hungarian born George Soros running the Democrat Party, right?
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Nov 26, 2010 8:32 PM CST Tea Party Movement
cherryrae
cherryraecherryraesydney, New South Wales Australia390 Posts
JSuburbia: I think the point she is making is more so that it isn't quite as grassroots as people proclaim it to be



exactly

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Nov 26, 2010 8:39 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
JSuburbia: I think the point she is making is more so that it isn't quite as grassroots as people proclaim it to be


Oddly, I'm making the same point about the "peoples" party; the liberal Democrat party.
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Nov 26, 2010 8:39 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
cherryrae: at least he picked harvard educated colleagues


At least I know where you're coming from. yawn
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Nov 26, 2010 8:40 PM CST Tea Party Movement
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
JSuburbia: No proclamations of it being a grassroots party, at least that I have seen.



Everyone knows the Dems are just another cog in the machine.
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Nov 26, 2010 8:46 PM CST Tea Party Movement
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
cherryrae: grass roots?? backed by koch industries, the second largest corporation in america


Yes, but Koch industries is ecology minded.

They recently painted all of their buildings in coordinated woodland colors, and they use only recycled toilet paper in company restrooms at their new dioxin plant in Aspen Colorado.
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Nov 26, 2010 8:48 PM CST Tea Party Movement
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
RayfromUSA: Yes, but Koch industries is ecology minded.

They recently painted all of their buildings in coordinated woodland colors, and they use only recycled toilet paper in company restrooms at their new dioxin plant in Aspen Colorado.



Really? They sound more like a Halliburton type of company.


Or is that what "they" want us to think Ray?
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Nov 26, 2010 8:50 PM CST Tea Party Movement
cherryrae
cherryraecherryraesydney, New South Wales Australia390 Posts
JSuburbia: Everyone knows the Dems are just another cog in the machine.


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Nov 26, 2010 8:51 PM CST Tea Party Movement
cherryrae
cherryraecherryraesydney, New South Wales Australia390 Posts
JSuburbia: Really? They sound more like a Halliburton type of company. is that what "they" want us to think Ray?


propoganda is very powerful thumbs up
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Nov 26, 2010 8:52 PM CST Tea Party Movement
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
cherryrae: at least he picked harvard educated colleagues


They do have a nice accent don't they?
But does Harvard have any foreign policy programs to rival Yale's Skull & Bones?
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Nov 26, 2010 8:57 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
cherryrae: grass roots?? backed by koch industries, the second largest corporation in america



From what I just read, they sound like Democrats. Stealing from various groups and re-allocating it to someone else (themselves). rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 26, 2010 8:58 PM CST Tea Party Movement
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
JSuburbia: Really? They sound more like a Halliburton type of company. is that what "they" want us to think Ray?



Guess what current president is using Halliburton? I'll give you 3 guesses? laugh
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Nov 26, 2010 8:59 PM CST Tea Party Movement
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
In 2005, Koch's Flint Hills Resources refinery was recognized by the EPA's Clean Air Awards program for reducing air emissions by 50 percent while expanding operations. Koch Industries' headquarters in Wichita has been certified for meeting the Energy Star standards for superior energy efficiency and environmental protection. As of 2010 it is the only Wichita office building to be so recognized. A Tulsa, Oklahoma site of the Koch-owned John Zink Company site was part of the EPA's National Environmental Performance Track program from 2003 until 2009 when the program was suspended.

Koch's Matador Ranch in Texas earned the Lone Star Land Steward award for outstanding natural resource management in 2010. The Montana ranch has earned several environmental stewardship awards, including the EPA Regional Administrator's award.

In 2010, Koch Industries was ranked 10th on the list of top US corporate air polluters, the “Toxic 100 Air Polluters,” by the Political Economic Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

Fines
In March 1999, Koch Petroleum Group, a Koch Industries subsidiary, pled guilty to charges that it had negligently allowed aviation fuel to leak into waters near the Mississippi River from its refinery in Rosemount, Minnesota, and that it had illegally dumped a million gallons of high-ammonia wastewater onto the ground and into the Mississippi River. Koch Petroleum paid the Dakota County Park System a $6 million fine and $2 million in remediation costs, and was ordered to serve three years of probation.

In 1999, a federal jury found that Koch Industries had stolen oil from government and American Indian lands, had lied about its purchases more than 24,000 times, and was fined $553,504.

In January 2000, Koch Industries subsidiary, Koch Pipeline, agreed to a $35 million settlement with the U.S. Justice Department and the State of Texas. This settlement, including a $30 million civil fine, was incurred for the firm's three hundred oil spills in Texas and five other states going back to 1990. The spills resulted in more than three million gallons of crude oil leaking into ponds, lakes, streams and coastal waters.

In 2001, the company reached two settlements with the government. In April, the company reached a $20 million settlement in exchange for admitting to covering up environmental violations at its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. That May, Koch Industries paid $25 million to the federal government to settle a federal lawsuit that found the company had improperly taken more oil than it had paid for from federal and Indian land.

In June 2003, the US Commerce Department fined Koch Industries subsidiary Flint Hill Resources a $200,000 civil penalty. The fine settled charges that the company exported crude petroleum from the US to Canada without proper US government authorization. The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security said from July 1997 to March 1999, Koch Petroleum (later called Flint Hill Resources) committed 40 violations of Export Administration Regulations.

In 2006, Koch Industries’ subsidiary Flint Hill Resources was fined nearly $16,000 by the EPA for 10 separate violations of the Clean Air Act at its Alaska oil refinery facilities, and required to spend another $60,000 on safety equipment needed to help prevent future violations.

In 2009, Koch subsidiary Invista agreed to pay a $1.7 million civil penalty and spend up to $500 million to correct self-reported environmental violations at its facilities in seven states. Prior to the settlement, the company had disclosed to the EPA more than 680 violations after auditing 12 facilities acquired from DuPont in 2004.
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Nov 26, 2010 9:17 PM CST Tea Party Movement
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
JSuburbia: Really? They sound more like a Halliburton type of company. is that what "they" want us to think Ray?


You are just sooooo conspiracy minded.

Companies like Koch represent traditional American values and are the wave of the future and represent the only hope of rebuilding the US economy.

Koch has used innovative fair labor practices such as employing the mentally handicapped for menial jobs, thus freeing other more capable employees for downsizing. Such innovative measures along with their application of the Chinese model for company/employee relations has enabled them to become America's most highly competitive company in the world market.
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