Zionist Occupied America (878)
Conrad73: You have named about as few names as a wellknown Senator did once!
Long on accusations,short on Proof!Name Names and Objective Facts,or stop your Witch-Hunt!
Long on accusations,short on Proof!Name Names and Objective Facts,or stop your Witch-Hunt!
Came back no answers posts a dodgy bit and runs.
God it is so predictable.
Still no answers
P R E D I C T A B L E.
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patmac: Came back no answers posts a dodgy bit and runs.
God it is so predictable.
Still no answersP R E D I C T A B L E.
God it is so predictable.
Still no answersP R E D I C T A B L E.
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patmac: Plenty you have dragged the thread away from its point with all this talk of Rockets launched and all the reat of the rubbish about why the war was fought.
I have asked you to get back to the point of your thread on more than one occasion.
So get back to it if you can and explain to me and the rest of us on here how less than 15% of the voting senators and congress can run America???
As you say they do?
Now I eagerly await your answer to that.If you ever will
I have asked you to get back to the point of your thread on more than one occasion.
So get back to it if you can and explain to me and the rest of us on here how less than 15% of the voting senators and congress can run America???
As you say they do?
Now I eagerly await your answer to that.If you ever will
You gotta be an American to understand, Pat. 15 percent of people can easily lead the sleeping masses - especially since we were all taught from childhood Sunday school that Israel is the promised land.
It's like buying a Ford truck or a Chevy Vette. It took years for Toyota to change our minds! Maybe if the Pals hire the Toyota marketing department to lobby for them? That and big rebates... LOL
Peace
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Paldi5: You gotta be an American to understand, Pat. 15 percent of people can easily lead the sleeping masses - especially since we were all taught from childhood Sunday school that Israel is the promised land.
It's like buying a Ford truck or a Chevy Vette. It took years for Toyota to change our minds! Maybe if the Pals hire the Toyota marketing department to lobby for them? That and big rebates... LOL
Peace
It's like buying a Ford truck or a Chevy Vette. It took years for Toyota to change our minds! Maybe if the Pals hire the Toyota marketing department to lobby for them? That and big rebates... LOL
Peace
I would not call over 85% of the senate or congress a sleeping mass.
And check the religion of them all I posted way back. Both houses are actually less than 10% Jewish.
So roughly say 15% is a pretty fair number but as was also pointed out to S B over a third of the so called Jews/Zionists voted against the war.
Regardless of what you may or may not have been taught the numbers do not add up.
Your links were pretty good though but, still can be disputed by as many from the other side.
And no one has proved the Numbers in any way as yet.
So prove the numbers.
And I do know your committee system and looked at the various points and the numbers there are still against S B's point.
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patmac: I would not call over 85% of the senate or congress a sleeping mass.
And check the religion of them all I posted way back. Both houses are actually less than 10% Jewish.
So roughly say 15% is a pretty fair number but as was also pointed out to S B over a third of the so called Jews/Zionists voted against the war.
Regardless of what you may or may not have been taught the numbers do not add up.
Your links were pretty good though but, still can be disputed by as many from the other side.
And no one has proved the Numbers in any way as yet.
So prove the numbers.
And I do know your committee system and looked at the various points and the numbers there are still against S B's point.
And check the religion of them all I posted way back. Both houses are actually less than 10% Jewish.
So roughly say 15% is a pretty fair number but as was also pointed out to S B over a third of the so called Jews/Zionists voted against the war.
Regardless of what you may or may not have been taught the numbers do not add up.
Your links were pretty good though but, still can be disputed by as many from the other side.
And no one has proved the Numbers in any way as yet.
So prove the numbers.
And I do know your committee system and looked at the various points and the numbers there are still against S B's point.
The sleeping mass are the voters, who are often easily lead by the party leaders. If those leaders are subject to the backroom hidden arm twisting/black mail that SB alludes to, the public would never know. We are brainwashed by the brand names - Republican, Democrat.... and pay little attention to the people we elect. I would prefer it if there were no parties. That just "People" were nominated and democratically elected. These representatives work things out and pass laws. No lobbies, no big political campaigns. That form of democracy perhaps has not been developed, yet.
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I'm off to the local pub to meet some mates. What shall I drink? Have you any recommendations? A scotish brew?
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Paldi5: I'm off to the local pub to meet some mates. What shall I drink? Have you any recommendations? A scotish brew?
A decent Malt
Glen Morangie
Auchentoshan
Laphroig
Glenlivet
Isaly mist
Just a few to try.
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patmac: A decent Malt
Glen Morangie
Auchentoshan
Laphroig
Glenlivet
Isaly mist
Just a few to try.
Glen Morangie
Auchentoshan
Laphroig
Glenlivet
Isaly mist
Just a few to try.
Thanks....... I'll print the list!
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Paldi5: The sleeping mass are the voters, who are often easily lead by the party leaders. If those leaders are subject to the backroom hidden arm twisting/black mail that SB alludes to, the public would never know. We are brainwashed by the brand names - Republican, Democrat.... and pay little attention to the people we elect. I would prefer it if there were no parties. That just "People" were nominated and democratically elected. These representatives work things out and pass laws. No lobbies, no big political campaigns. That form of democracy perhaps has not been developed, yet.
And the voters do not take part in the DISCUSSIONS ON THE HILL.
So the numbers of Senators and Congressmen/women are still well under 15% and as Al pointed out at least 1/3 of the jewish ones voted against the war.
So that is the point not the voters but the folk with the power and the numbers cannot make any poer for the folk you accuse of your so called crimes.
And I did point out it was the higher echelon not the voters Fred ...
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OOPS
Should read any power for the folk you.....
Should read any power for the folk you.....
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SilverBirch: Pat, I liked it better when you posted the "Stop being so blinkered about Israels contribution to the state of affairs" when there are other parties that contribute to the fray."
As for answers Pat. You've not posted one idea of your own here ever. You just criticize. How can you expect anyone to give anything you post any credence when it's all fodder?
As for answers Pat. You've not posted one idea of your own here ever. You just criticize. How can you expect anyone to give anything you post any credence when it's all fodder?
I've posted a few refutations to others but yourself, I am trying to get you to clarify your first post. Perhaps prior to the end of the thread you might bring your own thread on topic by answering them.
They are;
three questions;
1. Sso to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their in adherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?
2. Strange then why they only use violence when attacked then and, pulled out of Gaza, Lebanon and Egypt. The facts don't match this statement. Can you clarify with something factual please?
3. I should like to see some proof of this statement (where you state Zionists are blackmailing politicians in the US as a matter of course) have you any?
Golly, without this clarification the entire thread is a waste of everybody's time, including your own so why won't you at least show some respect for us and answer them.
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Albertaghost: I've posted a few refutations to others but yourself, I am trying to get you to clarify your first post. Perhaps prior to the end of the thread you might bring your own thread on topic by answering them.
They are;
three questions;
1. Sso to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their in adherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?
2. Strange then why they only use violence when attacked then and, pulled out of Gaza, Lebanon and Egypt. The facts don't match this statement. Can you clarify with something factual please?
3. I should like to see some proof of this statement (where you state Zionists are blackmailing politicians in the US as a matter of course) have you any?
Golly, without this clarification the entire thread is a waste of everybody's time, including your own so why won't you at least show some respect for us and answer them.
They are;
three questions;
1. Sso to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their in adherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?
2. Strange then why they only use violence when attacked then and, pulled out of Gaza, Lebanon and Egypt. The facts don't match this statement. Can you clarify with something factual please?
3. I should like to see some proof of this statement (where you state Zionists are blackmailing politicians in the US as a matter of course) have you any?
Golly, without this clarification the entire thread is a waste of everybody's time, including your own so why won't you at least show some respect for us and answer them.
Dream on, S B never answers any question he has not got any answers to anything that points out the flaws in his point.
And there are enough flaws to drive a bus through.
Paldi is doing his best posting his usual links from his usual sources and that does not actually really help.
Not one of them so far has ever explained how a tiny small group in both the senate and congress can or ever could run things the way S B says they do.
S B will come back of course and ignore all the points and post some other rubbish and claim this validates his point.
Still it gives me a laugh.
Gets my vote for the best portrait of a suicide bomber on the forums.
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emmaline: gini it is slowly getting out gradually what is going on there.
the world is waking up literally. israel has a right to exist but not at the expense of others
the world is waking up literally. israel has a right to exist but not at the expense of others
And your proof for this statement is?
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For Emmaline.
Also what has your statement to do with the point of the thread?
Zionist Occupied America
Try to stay on the point of the thread S B takes it off enough.
Also what has your statement to do with the point of the thread?
Zionist Occupied America
Try to stay on the point of the thread S B takes it off enough.
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patmac: And the voters do not take part in the DISCUSSIONS ON THE HILL.
So the numbers of Senators and Congressmen/women are still well under 15% and as Al pointed out at least 1/3 of the jewish ones voted against the war.
So that is the point not the voters but the folk with the power and the numbers cannot make any poer for the folk you accuse of your so called crimes.
And I did point out it was the higher echelon not the voters Fred ...
So the numbers of Senators and Congressmen/women are still well under 15% and as Al pointed out at least 1/3 of the jewish ones voted against the war.
So that is the point not the voters but the folk with the power and the numbers cannot make any poer for the folk you accuse of your so called crimes.
And I did point out it was the higher echelon not the voters Fred ...
Well, the Glenivet was very good indeed...
However, I still think that being in Scotland, you have no real clue how the US gov works and the impact a 100,000 person lobby has on 500 congressmen/women and 100 senators. They don't need every Jewish vote, just the majority of all voters in the house and senate committees to vote on funding and foreign policy. For example if there are 5% Jews in the Senate but 60 percent of them are on the foreign policy committee... and the Lobby is working the auditorium... Trim Tab theory mate.
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patmac: For Emmaline.
Also what has your statement to do with the point of the thread? Zionist Occupied America
Try to stay on the point of the thread S B takes it off enough.
Also what has your statement to do with the point of the thread? Zionist Occupied America
Try to stay on the point of the thread S B takes it off enough.
depends on the definition of "occupied". Substitute something like "controlled" maybe for starters, and then she is very much on topic.
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OK Al, as to your first question... it's actually 3 questions. Lets see...
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"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.
It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).
Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."
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The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.
Israel fought so-called defensive wars which the facts suggest they actually instigated with the purpose of conquering additional land which they could occupy, settle and add to the state for either security purposes or to reach outward toward the so-called "Biblical borders of the land of Israel", in violation of international law, which states that land conquered in war has to be returned after hostilities end.
Why don't we spend some time investigating this a little closer. My questions...
1. Did the USA push the Partition of Palestine through the UN without giving due process? Were the Arab states in the region consulted? Should their voices have bee given more consideration before the final deal was struck?
2. Did "Zionists" covet more land than the 1948 UN partition offered them?
3. Was the conquest of additional land in wars (defensive or preemptive) justified, or is it illegal under the UN?
Peace
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"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.
It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).
Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."
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The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.
Israel fought so-called defensive wars which the facts suggest they actually instigated with the purpose of conquering additional land which they could occupy, settle and add to the state for either security purposes or to reach outward toward the so-called "Biblical borders of the land of Israel", in violation of international law, which states that land conquered in war has to be returned after hostilities end.
Why don't we spend some time investigating this a little closer. My questions...
1. Did the USA push the Partition of Palestine through the UN without giving due process? Were the Arab states in the region consulted? Should their voices have bee given more consideration before the final deal was struck?
2. Did "Zionists" covet more land than the 1948 UN partition offered them?
3. Was the conquest of additional land in wars (defensive or preemptive) justified, or is it illegal under the UN?
Peace
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Paldi5: The sleeping mass are the voters, who are often easily lead by the party leaders. If those leaders are subject to the backroom hidden arm twisting/black mail that SB alludes to, the public would never know. We are brainwashed by the brand names - Republican, Democrat.... and pay little attention to the people we elect. I would prefer it if there were no parties. That just "People" were nominated and democratically elected. These representatives work things out and pass laws. No lobbies, no big political campaigns. That form of democracy perhaps has not been developed, yet.
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Paldi5: OK Al, as to your first question... it's actually 3 questions. Lets see...
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[quote: Paldi;
"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.
It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).
Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."
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The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.
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My First Question}three questions;
1. And so to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their inadherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?
1. And so to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their inadherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?
[quote: Paldi;
"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.
It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).
Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."
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The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.
Ya so unsatisfied that they forced the Arab world to attack them in five separate wars that forced Israel to fight for it's survival.
Those joos are so tricky. Infiltrating the minds of the dictators of the Middle East and putting the idea of attacking Israel and trying to wipe it off the map.
Pa;di: Israel fought so-called defensive wars which the facts suggest they actually instigated with the purpose of conquering additional land which they could occupy, settle and add to the state for either security purposes or to reach outward toward the so-called "Biblical borders of the land of Israel", in violation of international law, which states that land conquered in war has to be returned after hostilities end.
The Sinai was returned upon the Egyptian Israeli peace agreement. Jordan didn't want the West Bank back as they know it isn't theirs to begin with anyhow and either is most of their land as it belongs to Palestinians but you don't hear much about that. Anyhow, other than that, no peace treaties have been signed so the state of hostilities remains hence, no legal basis to return squat.
Paldi: Why don't we spend some time investigating this a little closer. My questions...
Seriously. for a second there I thought you were actually going to try to answer my questions of Silverbirch but no I see you can't.
Paldi: 1. Did the USA push the Partition of Palestine through the UN without giving due process? Were the Arab states in the region consulted? Should their voices have bee given more consideration before the final deal was struck?
From what I understand Britain had more to do with it than anybody.
Paldi: 2. Did "Zionists" covet more land than the 1948 UN partition offered them?
Certainly as did Muslims who not only wanted more but wanted the Jews killed. Like this your fist time dealing with this issue?
Paldi: 3. Was the conquest of additional land in wars (defensive or preemptive) justified, or is it illegal under the UN?
Peace
Peace
Legal. See Japan, Germany etc.
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