Zionist Occupied America (878)
gleneagle: This is very powerful testimony and the fact that prominant Jews agree with the analysis of John Mearsheimer Chicago University and Stephen Walt from Harvard adds credibility to its findings. In 2008 I purchased their book called the "Israel Lobby" and thus began my drift from seeing Israel as the victim to that off "loose cannon on the deck"
Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
Might be a good read but the figures and the total numbers of Jews/Zionist in the USA and in government totally disprove the OP supposed argument.
And that fact is indisputable and not an opinion or any few folks testimony.
One thing about numbers they do not put their own spin on things.
Only folk with an agenda and a complete refusal to see the basic maths involved give any single group any power that the OP actually tries to say one of the smallest groups has.
As always JMO
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gleneagle: This is very powerful testimony and the fact that prominant Jews agree with the analysis of John Mearsheimer Chicago University and Stephen Walt from Harvard adds credibility to its findings. In 2008 I purchased their book called the "Israel Lobby" and thus began my drift from seeing Israel as the victim to that off "loose cannon on the deck"
Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
The existence of a lobby for Israel is no no more sinister than a lobby for any other group, country, industry or interest. You may argue that you feel their influence is given too much weight, but I can't see what any other argument about an "Israel Lobby" could entail.
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gleneagle: This is very powerful testimony and the fact that prominant Jews agree with the analysis of John Mearsheimer Chicago University and Stephen Walt from Harvard adds credibility to its findings. In 2008 I purchased their book called the "Israel Lobby" and thus began my drift from seeing Israel as the victim to that off "loose cannon on the deck"
Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
all on the basis of one Book?Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.
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gardenhackle: Undubitably so. I shall endeavor to study your works that I might cool myself in the shade of your expansive mastery of statesmanship.
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chris27292729: By what criteria,you excluded yourself been a fool,while you characterise others idiots??.-
Enter exhibit A.
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And you are exhibit Aa.
Blues63: Enter exhibit A.
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patmac: Might be a good read but the figures and the total numbers of Jews/Zionist in the USA and in government totally disprove the OP supposed argument.
And that fact is indisputable and not an opinion or any few folks testimony.
One thing about numbers they do not put their own spin on things.
Only folk with an agenda and a complete refusal to see the basic maths involved give any single group any power that the OP actually tries to say one of the smallest groups has.
As always JMO
And that fact is indisputable and not an opinion or any few folks testimony.
One thing about numbers they do not put their own spin on things.
Only folk with an agenda and a complete refusal to see the basic maths involved give any single group any power that the OP actually tries to say one of the smallest groups has.
As always JMO
Thanks for listening... was there anything in there that you found enlightening?
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gardenhackle: The existence of a lobby for Israel is no no more sinister than a lobby for any other group, country, industry or interest. You may argue that you feel their influence is given too much weight, but I can't see what any other argument about an "Israel Lobby" could entail.
I assume that up to recently there was no "Arab American lobby" to counterbalance AIPAC. In addition, the Pro-Israel lobby is, of course, bolstered by strong Chriatian lobbies which see Israel through a Biblical perspective generally supportive of Zionism.
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Paldi5: Thanks for listening... was there anything in there that you found enlightening?
Nope not a lot
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patmac: Nope not a lot
Good, glad to hear you are familiar with the issue. Not being American, I wonder if you have a position on lobbies in general and AIPAC in particular? Also curious if there is anything like that in your government?
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Paldi5: Good, glad to hear you are familiar with the issue. Not being American, I wonder if you have a position on lobbies in general and AIPAC in particular? Also curious if there is anything like that in your government?
Much the same as the USA a small number of Jewish folk as per the ratio of the population. We also have folk like Silverbirch who see the so called Zionist influence, which anyone with a half decent brain can see is a total FALLACY.
Mind you the same folk are accusing the Muslims in the UK of the same thing. Funny people.
As always JMO.
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patmac: Might be a good read but the figures and the total numbers of Jews/Zionist in the USA and in government totally disprove the OP supposed argument.
And that fact is indisputable and not an opinion or any few folks testimony.
One thing about numbers they do not put their own spin on things.
Only folk with an agenda and a complete refusal to see the basic maths involved give any single group any power that the OP actually tries to say one of the smallest groups has.
As always JMO
I am not the OP and as usual you call for hard facts and evidence throughout your threads and when Paldi produces this in his link and I condense it in my previous thread then this is your reply and I am dissappointed in you.And that fact is indisputable and not an opinion or any few folks testimony.
One thing about numbers they do not put their own spin on things.
Only folk with an agenda and a complete refusal to see the basic maths involved give any single group any power that the OP actually tries to say one of the smallest groups has.
As always JMO
Please what is your answer to the facts and testimony of distinguished academics and public figures.
You cant beat them up verbally the way you do poor Silverbirch.
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chris27292729: And you are exhibit Aa.
Awww...nice try. Care to have another go?
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isnt this a dating site? your boring everyone to death.
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gleneagle: I am not the OP and as usual you call for hard facts and evidence throughout your threads and when Paldi produces this in his link and I condense it in my previous thread then this is your reply and I am dissappointed in you.
Please what is your answer to the facts and testimony of distinguished academics and public figures.
You cant beat them up verbally the way you do poor Silverbirch.
Please what is your answer to the facts and testimony of distinguished academics and public figures.
You cant beat them up verbally the way you do poor Silverbirch.
Try reading my reply where I used the NUMBERS....That covers it all
And 1 book is not what anyone can call total evidence also that is the opinion of those folk, and I or anyone can produce numerous books or pamphlets which oppose. But, the NUMBERS do not lie.
As always JMO
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Conrad73: all on the basis of one Book?
I didnt expect the testimony of distingushed acedemics and brave Jewish people to change you to a more balanced stance. But what I DID EXPECT IS THAT YOU WOULD ADDRESS THE FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED.
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patmac: Try reading my reply where I used the NUMBERS....That covers it all
And 1 book is not what anyone can call total evidence also that is the opinion of those folk, and I or anyone can produce numerous books or pamphlets which oppose. But, the NUMBERS do not lie.
As always JMO
And 1 book is not what anyone can call total evidence also that is the opinion of those folk, and I or anyone can produce numerous books or pamphlets which oppose. But, the NUMBERS do not lie.
As always JMO
Again you are being evasive and giving a line as a reply to some othe post not an answer to what i presented
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gleneagle: Again you are being evasive and giving a line as a reply to some othe post not an answer to what i presented
You asked for my answer I gave it THE NUMBERS speak volumes, and the fact there are numerous publications which argue against Paldi's book make my point clear.
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gardenhackle: The existence of a lobby for Israel is no no more sinister than a lobby for any other group, country, industry or interest. You may argue that you feel their influence is given too much weight, but I can't see what any other argument about an "Israel Lobby" could entail.
It is more sinister if they are the most powerful lobby and directly influence the electoral system in a way that distorts the will of the American people. Is your priority the American people or the Israeli people?
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Richard Perle former Bush adviser says a congressman who votes against Israeli interests is finished.
L wilkerson chief of staff for Colin Powell is aghast at the reasons for going to war in Iraq and blames the neo conservatives and Israel lobby.
Daniel levy a former peace negeotator for Israel. Is he a self hating Jew? I dont thinks so
Tony Judt historian at New York University and Jew. Why would he lie?
All you apologists for Israel attack the messenger because you can't face that your opinions might be flawed.
I think you all could do worse than watch this video but preferably buy the book to enhance your limited education on the subject.