Zionist Occupied America (878)
it is sad to hear and see a post that is demeaning israel and being a bigot
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gardenhackle: My point of view is that whatever the reason people think Jews cite as their right to have a homeland in Israel, the REAL reason they have that right is because it was afforded to them after World War II by the United Nations. Now if you want to argue that the UN shouldn't have the authority to do such things, I might lean your direction on that. But there's a lot of water under the bridge on this decision, don't you think?
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invinciblemuse: That´s why I was asking earlier, if the definition of zionism determines how someone defines anti-zionism...
In other words, it seems to me that both terms are used by everyone on this thread equally, but that there might be some major differences in how people actually define those concepts for themselves.
And that´s why it seems to me that a lot of unnecessary arguments take place and unjustified accusations are being made - when in fact people simply use the same words, but actually mean different things!
In other words, it seems to me that both terms are used by everyone on this thread equally, but that there might be some major differences in how people actually define those concepts for themselves.
And that´s why it seems to me that a lot of unnecessary arguments take place and unjustified accusations are being made - when in fact people simply use the same words, but actually mean different things!
Same can be said for anit-semitism.
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john12196341: it is sad to hear and see a post that is demeaning israel and being a bigot
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gardenhackle: My point of view is that whatever the reason people think Jews cite as their right to have a homeland in Israel, the REAL reason they have that right is because it was afforded to them after World War II by the United Nations. Now if you want to argue that the UN shouldn't have the authority to do such things, I might lean your direction on that. But there's a lot of water under the bridge on this decision, don't you think?
by the United Nations ,at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states. Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars, by means of violence and the threat of violence using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States at taxpayer expense.
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Paldi5: Same can be said for anit-semitism.
So, Israelis are also ant-isemitst ,cause Arabs are also Semites .
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Boban1: by the United Nations ,at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states. Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars, by means of violence and the threat of violence using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States at taxpayer expense.
Have you not learnt anything from all these threads?
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gardenhackle: My point of view is that whatever the reason people think Jews cite as their right to have a homeland in Israel, the REAL reason they have that right is because it was afforded to them after World War II by the United Nations. Now if you want to argue that the UN shouldn't have the authority to do such things, I might lean your direction on that. But there's a lot of water under the bridge on this decision, don't you think?
Well then they should be listening to the UN now to get to peace.
Sounds reasonable right?
Give me a list of UN resolutions Israel has ignored, and the list the US vetoed in their behalf.
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Wow_Factor: Have you not learnt anything from all these threads?
Nope, I don`t read novels
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(no endorsement of either position)
ladies and gentleman a word from your president:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8
current events:http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/16/in_major_reversal_us_to_rebuke_israel_in_security_council
*iranian warships reported to pass through suez canal
(israel uses suez for military and commercial purposes,israel considers irans use of canal 'provocation')
*egyptian revolution:has been suggested as regime change under the formula used in iran coined the 'color revolution.'internet,social websites used to incite the masses to achieve regime change without foreign intervention.cyber wars future undeniable.other cyber use(s) by china(most recent oil industry),israel and america(stuxnet worm),individual agendas,'lone wolf.'note, group of anonymous reported it is in possession of majority of stuxnet worm code after retaliating over hbgary computer security firm announced investigation of anonymous members.hbgary effectively infiltrated/hacked by anonymous.
*'chatter': some circles suggest mubarak to be regime change.mubarak historically on record against 'preemptive' military strike on iran.
balfour declaration,see addressee
foundations&origins :addressee of balfour declaration,rothschilds;genesis of modern day 'zionist' theory/conspiracies.
*conspiratorial thesis of rothschild family:http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
lobby: as suggested,certain to be covert 'elements' as are there other nations,and not israels' alone.israeli lobby considered to be adjunct, insignificant to power of leverage of financial markets,wall street,central banking over collateralization of debt,iras,401s,municipal bond market,private property,infrastructure,derivatives market(derivatives market worth exceeds gdp of all nations combined mathematically impossible to ever pay back).
leverage:example 'stimulus,'wall street bailout(redistribution of wealth of american taxpayer. shareholders protected populace for generations indebted.
imf:world bank instituted to protect shareholder interests,see greece,see ireland, largest bailed out shareholders rothschild and goldman sachs of ireland financial institutions.
derivatives market manipulation of soft commodities(food),control of media,current example of media malefeasance,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwo0Iyrh1Zk
frequent source of reference wikipedia,http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/13/wikipedias-jewish-problem/
central bank u.s.: federal reserve,primary shareholders include jpm wall street firm(rothschild affiliate)
federal reserve:largest holder of american debt surpassing china.'federal' reserve private bank.countries yet without central banking,syria, lebanon, iran, venezuela, north korea,cuba. central banking instituted in afghanistan and iraq after invasions.
ladies and gentleman a word from your president:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8
current events:http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/16/in_major_reversal_us_to_rebuke_israel_in_security_council
*iranian warships reported to pass through suez canal
(israel uses suez for military and commercial purposes,israel considers irans use of canal 'provocation')
*egyptian revolution:has been suggested as regime change under the formula used in iran coined the 'color revolution.'internet,social websites used to incite the masses to achieve regime change without foreign intervention.cyber wars future undeniable.other cyber use(s) by china(most recent oil industry),israel and america(stuxnet worm),individual agendas,'lone wolf.'note, group of anonymous reported it is in possession of majority of stuxnet worm code after retaliating over hbgary computer security firm announced investigation of anonymous members.hbgary effectively infiltrated/hacked by anonymous.
*'chatter': some circles suggest mubarak to be regime change.mubarak historically on record against 'preemptive' military strike on iran.
balfour declaration,see addressee
foundations&origins :addressee of balfour declaration,rothschilds;genesis of modern day 'zionist' theory/conspiracies.
*conspiratorial thesis of rothschild family:http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
lobby: as suggested,certain to be covert 'elements' as are there other nations,and not israels' alone.israeli lobby considered to be adjunct, insignificant to power of leverage of financial markets,wall street,central banking over collateralization of debt,iras,401s,municipal bond market,private property,infrastructure,derivatives market(derivatives market worth exceeds gdp of all nations combined mathematically impossible to ever pay back).
leverage:example 'stimulus,'wall street bailout(redistribution of wealth of american taxpayer. shareholders protected populace for generations indebted.
imf:world bank instituted to protect shareholder interests,see greece,see ireland, largest bailed out shareholders rothschild and goldman sachs of ireland financial institutions.
derivatives market manipulation of soft commodities(food),control of media,current example of media malefeasance,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwo0Iyrh1Zk
frequent source of reference wikipedia,http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/13/wikipedias-jewish-problem/
central bank u.s.: federal reserve,primary shareholders include jpm wall street firm(rothschild affiliate)
federal reserve:largest holder of american debt surpassing china.'federal' reserve private bank.countries yet without central banking,syria, lebanon, iran, venezuela, north korea,cuba. central banking instituted in afghanistan and iraq after invasions.
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Boban1: by the United Nations ,at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states. Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars, by means of violence and the threat of violence using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States at taxpayer expense.
Boban, it's not a fact in evidence that the United Nations mandated Israel because the US made them do it. Whatever the reason it happened - and it happened before either of us was born, it's been a done deal for a long, long time, now. Like I said before, if you think the UN should be disbanded and all their decisions vacated, I might give that strong consideration and possibly even support, but if you don't, then it's hard to argue that Israel doesn't have a right to exist when an authority that you acknowledge established it as a country a long time ago.
The fight for that little postage stamp of land has been going on for a long, long, LONG time.
But say just for the sake of argument that you had total power to set things aright, what would you declare as the law in regard to Israel? And how would you declare your decision be enforced?
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Boban1: by the United Nations ,at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states. Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars, by means of violence and the threat of violence using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States at taxpayer expense.
Lies, lies, lies!
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Paldi5: Well then they should be listening to the UN now to get to peace.
Sounds reasonable right?
Give me a list of UN resolutions Israel has ignored, and the list the US vetoed in their behalf.
Sounds reasonable right?
Give me a list of UN resolutions Israel has ignored, and the list the US vetoed in their behalf.
You're the one implying there's a long list, why don't you compile it?
And as one who is perfectly fair, you would, of course, compile the list of UN resolutions Palestine has ignored, as well.
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Wow_Factor: Have you not learnt anything from all these threads?
I haven´t read any other threads - could you explain please??
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gardenhackle: Boban, it's not a fact in evidence that the United Nations mandated Israel because the US made them do it. Whatever the reason it happened - and it happened before either of us was born, it's been a done deal for a long, long time, now. Like I said before, if you think the UN should be disbanded and all their decisions vacated, I might give that strong consideration and possibly even support, but if you don't, then it's hard to argue that Israel doesn't have a right to exist when an authority that you acknowledge established it as a country a long time ago.
The fight for that little postage stamp of land has been going on for a long, long, LONG time.
But say just for the sake of argument that you had total power to set things aright, what would you declare as the law in regard to Israel? And how would you declare your decision be enforced?
The fight for that little postage stamp of land has been going on for a long, long, LONG time.
But say just for the sake of argument that you had total power to set things aright, what would you declare as the law in regard to Israel? And how would you declare your decision be enforced?
Gypsies never had a homeland ,never even were considerate to be a nation,but a nationality ( I hope I used a proper term) We never asked for a country of our own ,just the right to exist
Hebrews or Jews ,have the right to exist just as anyone on this planet ,no special treatment and no discrimination
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invinciblemuse: I haven´t read any other threads - could you explain please??
all those other Threads of OP!
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It´s getting a bit annoying that you all seem to know each other´s opinions so well, that some of you just post references to whatever was said before, instead of just stating clearly what you mean.
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
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invinciblemuse: It´s getting a bit annoying that you all seem to know each other´s opinions so well, that some of you just post references to whatever was said before, instead of just stating clearly what you mean.
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
having read a bit of this thread i understand what you mean blondie 
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invinciblemuse: It´s getting a bit annoying that you all seem to know each other´s opinions so well, that some of you just post references to whatever was said before, instead of just stating clearly what you mean.
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
It´s not exactly welcoming to someone like me, who is new to these threads and would like to participate, but doesn´t understand what on earth those hints and clues are supposed to mean!
Invince, have a look at the OP (Siverbirch) threads and you will see the point that is being made.
I or any other cannot tell you what to think but I for a while now have been posting on these threads. Only because I think the way I do and cannot see the continual need to post as the OP does.
But it is up to you to make your own mind up as anything I say may or may not be seen as trying to influence your thoughts.
As always JMO
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Idea goes back a long way,actually further than the 19th Century!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZionismPlenty of Footnotes,some for,some against.
Plenty other Stuff on the WEB as well!
Well, I´ve read all this, because of that I was asking my question.