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online now!online now!Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland204 Threads 6 Polls 59,471 PostsPaldi5: Going back before anti zionism and anti Iraelism - before WWII and the holocaust, what do you think the reasons were for antisemitism, if it indeed even existed? Those times were before I was born so I haven't a clue... why Jews were thrown out of so many places in history? The ones I know in my life look normal enough. I would never think of throwing them out, unless they thought they were entitled to take something that's mine.
You need to ask Martin Luther,among others!http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm
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Conrad73: You need to ask Martin Luther,among others!http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm
OK here is enough to get the idea. The man was crazy in his old age, apparently.
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Luther's Introduction:
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.
He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.
Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...
Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies-- that is, longer than two thousand years.
Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?
Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
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Boban1: So, why didn`t the USA embrace them and gave them,hmmmm, lets say Texas,instead of taking Land from Palestine
We should fix this by giving Serbia to the Palestinians.
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gardenhackle: We should fix this by giving Serbia to the Palestinians.
or Cuba to Iraq
BTW nice try of distractin......
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Paldi5: Going back before anti zionism and anti Iraelism - before WWII and the holocaust, what do you think the reasons were for antisemitism, if it indeed even existed? Those times were before I was born so I haven't a clue... why Jews were thrown out of so many places in history? The ones I know in my life look normal enough. I would never think of throwing them out, unless they thought they were entitled to take something that's mine.
NO question that anti-semitism existed before Israel as you, yourself, mentioned the holocaust, which seems to be pretty solid evidence of antisemitic sentiment, no?
Jews tend to be good in business and damned if that doesn't seem to piss off a whole lot of folks. They study hard and work hard and save and invest. There is some evidence that Jews actually established the monetary system in Europe during the days of the Knights Templar. When you hear people badmouthing Jews, it almost always comes down to some sort of jealousy when you get to the bottom of it. They're too powerful. They're too rich. They've got too much control of business. They're too greedy. They're too.... well, damned successful and we know just how people feel about "those greedy rich folks".
Come to think of it, I can't remember ever knowing a single Jewish person living in a trailer park on welfare. DAMN THEM!
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Boban1: or Cuba to Iraq
BTW nice try of distractin......
BTW nice try of distractin......
I was just maintaining a proper level of stupid appropriate for our little sidebar discussion.
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Boban1: So, why didn`t the USA embrace them and gave them,hmmmm, lets say Texas,instead of taking Land from Palestine
At the time Palestine was one of the few areas on earth without a government. It was, according to Golda, a land without people.
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gardenhackle: NO question that anti-semitism existed before Israel as you, yourself, mentioned the holocaust, which seems to be pretty solid evidence of antisemitic sentiment, no?
Jews tend to be good in business and damned if that doesn't seem to piss off a whole lot of folks. They study hard and work hard and save and invest. There is some evidence that Jews actually established the monetary system in Europe during the days of the Knights Templar. When you hear people badmouthing Jews, it almost always comes down to some sort of jealousy when you get to the bottom of it. They're too powerful. They're too rich. They've got too much control of business. They're too greedy. They're too.... well, damned successful and we know just how people feel about "those greedy rich folks".
Come to think of it, I can't remember ever knowing a single Jewish person living in a trailer park on welfare. DAMN THEM!
Jews tend to be good in business and damned if that doesn't seem to piss off a whole lot of folks. They study hard and work hard and save and invest. There is some evidence that Jews actually established the monetary system in Europe during the days of the Knights Templar. When you hear people badmouthing Jews, it almost always comes down to some sort of jealousy when you get to the bottom of it. They're too powerful. They're too rich. They've got too much control of business. They're too greedy. They're too.... well, damned successful and we know just how people feel about "those greedy rich folks".
Come to think of it, I can't remember ever knowing a single Jewish person living in a trailer park on welfare. DAMN THEM!
I know a few in trailer parks in forclosed on trailers..
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gardenhackle: I was just maintaining a proper level of stupid appropriate for our little sidebar discussion.
Your attempt has a better word " cringe"...
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Paldi5: At the time Palestine was one of the few areas on earth without a government. It was, according to Golda, a land without people.
oh ,how convenient , to "give" away something that doesn`t belong to you ,and make it official with some document that is suitable to those who hold the USA by the nuts
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Boban1: Your attempt has a better word " cringe"...
Oh, come now. I knew you had to be joking about the US taking the land from Palestinians and giving it to the Jews. So, I responded with a joke in kind. :) Made you laugh, too. I know it. Fess up!
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gardenhackle: Oh, come now. I knew you had to be joking about the US taking the land from Palestinians and giving it to the Jews. So, I responded with a joke in kind. :) Made you laugh, too. I know it. Fess up!
Made me and Mr Balfour giggle
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Paldi5: patmac, the problem with this post (among many) is that Al started asking questions about Resolution 181 - which has nothing to do with the thread title. So everyone is talking about the UN and the partition and the wars that happened after that.
You with your posts about the "numbers" and mine about the Israel Lobby are more on topic, I think.
The thread is mis-named as to what people seem to WANT to talk about. All these Middle East threads get back to the same things: ligitamacy, anti-semetism, the use of power or terror rather than following international law, the UN is discredited and disrespected. Stuff like that.United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181
November 29, 1947http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm
You with your posts about the "numbers" and mine about the Israel Lobby are more on topic, I think.
The thread is mis-named as to what people seem to WANT to talk about. All these Middle East threads get back to the same things: ligitamacy, anti-semetism, the use of power or terror rather than following international law, the UN is discredited and disrespected. Stuff like that.United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181
November 29, 1947http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm
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gardenhackle: NO question that anti-semitism existed before Israel as you, yourself, mentioned the holocaust, which seems to be pretty solid evidence of antisemitic sentiment, no?
Jews tend to be good in business and damned if that doesn't seem to piss off a whole lot of folks. They study hard and work hard and save and invest. There is some evidence that Jews actually established the monetary system in Europe during the days of the Knights Templar. When you hear people badmouthing Jews, it almost always comes down to some sort of jealousy when you get to the bottom of it. They're too powerful. They're too rich. They've got too much control of business. They're too greedy. They're too.... well, damned successful and we know just how people feel about "those greedy rich folks".
Come to think of it, I can't remember ever knowing a single Jewish person living in a trailer park on welfare. DAMN THEM!
Jews tend to be good in business and damned if that doesn't seem to piss off a whole lot of folks. They study hard and work hard and save and invest. There is some evidence that Jews actually established the monetary system in Europe during the days of the Knights Templar. When you hear people badmouthing Jews, it almost always comes down to some sort of jealousy when you get to the bottom of it. They're too powerful. They're too rich. They've got too much control of business. They're too greedy. They're too.... well, damned successful and we know just how people feel about "those greedy rich folks".
Come to think of it, I can't remember ever knowing a single Jewish person living in a trailer park on welfare. DAMN THEM!
Sometimes people badmouth Jews because of what Jews say...
Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's infamous quote:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."
Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
And finally:
Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):
"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we established an apartheid regime."
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Paldi5: Sometimes people badmouth Jews because of what Jews say...
Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's infamous quote:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."And finally:
Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):
"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we established an apartheid regime."
Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir's infamous quote:
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998:
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."And finally:
Michael Ben-Yair, Attorney General of Israel, 1993-1996 (in Ha'aretz):
"The Intifada is the Palestinian's people's war of national liberation. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonialist society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the Occupied Territories, engaging in theft and funding justification for all these activities.. we established an apartheid regime."
And the relationship of this to the point of the thread is?
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invinciblemuse: That makes sense to me. It seems, however, that in the heat of the discussion the lines often get blurred, and that those, who are not in agreement with Israel´s politics only, often get unfairly accused of being antisemites.
I wonder if labelling someone as an antisemite in such a manner sometimes serves a tool to silence those, who don´t agree with Israel´s politics. Any thoughts on that??
I wonder if labelling someone as an antisemite in such a manner sometimes serves a tool to silence those, who don´t agree with Israel´s politics. Any thoughts on that??
i agree muse. there should be a clear distinction between anti semites (who are usually arab haters also) and those who are against israels policies, are not necessarily jew haters.
just against this needless expansionism and the oppresion of some palestinians
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patmac: And the relationship of this to the point of the thread is?
About as relavant as no Jews in trailor parks...
The OP is away on holiday so his thread runs amok.
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Paldi5: About as relavant as no Jews in trailor parks...
The OP is away on holiday so his thread runs amok.
The OP is away on holiday so his thread runs amok.
Only by the folk taking it that way.
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Boban1: oh ,how convenient , to "give" away something that doesn`t belong to you ,and make it official with some document that is suitable to those who hold the USA by the nuts
precisely bob. america needs a base in the ME
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emmaline: precisely bob. america needs a base in the ME
Shame it was not the Americans who "gave it away then"
TRY GETTING BACK TO THE POINT OF THE THREAD.
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