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Feb 16, 2011 2:45 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
patmac: For Emmaline.

Also what has your statement to do with the point of the thread? Zionist Occupied America

Try to stay on the point of the thread S B takes it off enough.
Don't you love it when People invoke THE WORLD?rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 16, 2011 2:47 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: OK Al, as to your first question... it's actually 3 questions. Lets see...

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My First Question: three questions;

1. And so to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their inadherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?


Paldi;
"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.

It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).

Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."

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The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.


Ya so unsatisfied that they forced the Arab world to attack them in five separate wars that forced Israel to fight for it's survival.

Those joos are so tricky. Infiltrating the minds of the dictators of the Middle East and putting the idea of attacking Israel and trying to wipe it off the map.

" without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states)"

UN rulings are not multiple choices. They are resolutions tabled and voted on by the entire world and are supposed to stick. For example, when they voted to impose sanctions on Saddam, he was not asked if he liked them or not and if he didn't, they wouldn't be imposed but rather was told he had to adhere to them or, he would face member states who were authorized to take whatever action was necessary to get him to comply. In the case of Israel and the Palestinians, both had to accept or be in defiance of it.

So my question still remains for Silverbirch, why is it that the Arabs broke the most impotent resolution and all other actions good and bad in this issue are born from their inadherence to it and yet, Israel is blamed for all the resulting actions when they were the only ones adhering to UN Resolution 181?

Paldi: Israel fought so-called defensive wars which the facts suggest they actually instigated with the purpose of conquering additional land which they could occupy, settle and add to the state for either security purposes or to reach outward toward the so-called "Biblical borders of the land of Israel", in violation of international law, which states that land conquered in war has to be returned after hostilities end.


The Sinai was returned upon the Egyptian Israeli peace agreement. Jordan didn't want the West Bank back as they know it isn't theirs to begin with anyhow and either is most of their land as it belongs to Palestinians but you don't hear much about that. Anyhow, other than that, no peace treaties have been signed so the state of hostilities remains hence, no legal basis to return squat.

Paldi: Why don't we spend some time investigating this a little closer. My questions...


Seriously. for a second there I thought you were actually going to try to answer my questions of Silverbirch but no I see you can't.

Paldi: 1. Did the USA push the Partition of Palestine through the UN without giving due process? Were the Arab states in the region consulted? Should their voices have bee given more consideration before the final deal was struck?


From what I understand Britain had more to do with it than anybody.
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Feb 16, 2011 2:48 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
SilverBirch: Truth hurts don't it Conrad.
actually those are your two Sources of Information!laugh
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Feb 16, 2011 2:52 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: OK Al, as to your first question... it's actually 3 questions. Lets see...


=====================

My First Question: AKA three questions;

1. And so to you is it perfectly fine that they (Arabs)are right in going to war over their inadherence to UN Resolution 181 but for Israel to defend themselves in wars which those who were breaking UN law by attacking them is wrong?


Paldi:
"Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews.

It attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states).

Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars."

======================

The quote suggests to me that the Zionist representation of establishing a state for the Jews is false because once the goal of the establishment of the state was attained, (thanks to the USA pulling strings in the UN), the Zionists or Israel Generals and politicians were not satisfied.


Ya so unsatisfied that they forced the Arab world to attack them in five separate wars that forced Israel to fight for it's survival.

Those joos are so tricky. Infiltrating the minds of the dictators of the Middle East and putting the idea of attacking Israel and trying to wipe it off the map.

" without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states)"

UN rulings are not multiple choices. They are resolutions tabled and voted on by the entire world and are supposed to stick. For example, when they voted to impose sanctions on Saddam, he was not asked if he liked them or not and if he didn't, they wouldn't be imposed but rather was told he had to adhere to them or, he would face member states who were authorized to take whatever action was necessary to get him to comply. In the case of Israel and the Palestinians, both had to accept or be in defiance of it.

So my question still remains for Silverbirch, why is it that the Arabs broke the most impotent resolution and all other actions good and bad in this issue are born from their inadherence to it and yet, Israel is blamed for all the resulting actions when they were the only ones adhering to UN Resolution 181?

Paldi: Israel fought so-called defensive wars which the facts suggest they actually instigated with the purpose of conquering additional land which they could occupy, settle and add to the state for either security purposes or to reach outward toward the so-called "Biblical borders of the land of Israel", in violation of international law, which states that land conquered in war has to be returned after hostilities end.


The Sinai was returned upon the Egyptian Israeli peace agreement. Jordan didn't want the West Bank back as they know it isn't theirs to begin with anyhow and either is most of their land as it belongs to Palestinians but you don't hear much about that. Anyhow, other than that, no peace treaties have been signed so the state of hostilities remains hence, no legal basis to return squat.

Paldi: Why don't we spend some time investigating this a little closer. My questions...


Seriously. for a second there I thought you were actually going to try to answer my questions of Silverbirch but no I see you can't.

Paldi: 1. Did the USA push the Partition of Palestine through the UN without giving due process? Were the Arab states in the region consulted? Should their voices have bee given more consideration before the final deal was struck?


From what I understand Britain had more to do with it than anybody.
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Feb 16, 2011 2:53 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi: 2. Did "Zionists" covet more land than the 1948 UN partition offered them?


Certainly as did Muslims who not only wanted more but wanted the Jews killed. Like this your fist time dealing with this issue?

Paldi: 3. Was the conquest of additional land in wars (defensive or preemptive) justified, or is it illegal under the UN?

Peace


Legal. See Japan, Germany etc.sleep
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Feb 16, 2011 4:21 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SilverBirch: Thanks Fred. Unfortunately these sods only listen to each other. Thanks for the links though.

Peace Fred


'Sods?' Thought you wanted a thread where there was no insults so why are you doing what you yourself said you didn't want?

And as for listening, I want to understand and have tried to understand you first post and, have in fact posted a few questions yet you won't answer them so that I can be clear on what your entire thread is about and discuss.

Please stop with the insults, answer my questions and then we can possibly make some progress.sad flower
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Feb 16, 2011 5:29 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Albertaghost: 'Sods?' Thought you wanted a thread where there was no insults so why are you doing what you yourself said you didn't want?

And as for listening, I want to understand and have tried to understand you first post and, have in fact posted a few questions yet you won't answer them so that I can be clear on what your entire thread is about and discuss.

Please stop with the insults, answer my questions and then we can possibly make some progress.


He cannot answer, and Paldi is dancing around trying to justify the point that less than 15% of the folk in power are running the country you know America THE ACTUAL THING THE THREAD IS ABOUT.

Now any child of 7 can work that out no way can they possibly run the country.

As S B is trying to say. All this rubbish about Israel has nothing to do with the point of the thread.

Go on S B get the thread back on track and stop the drift taking it to the Israel/palestine problem.

That is a totally different subject.

Now S B explain the figures and how the wee bunch can run Zionist America.

By the way S B stop the insults no one has insulted you as you asked. But as always when losing you refuse to answer and through out insults.

Nice S B. So try answering Albert and my questions.

I will not hold my breath waiting.

grin cheers
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Feb 16, 2011 5:36 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Here, maybe you can see better,
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Feb 16, 2011 5:40 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly: http://www.ifamericaknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Well,it definitely sells a lot of Videos!
And the same Old Tripe a bit revamped.
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Feb 16, 2011 5:41 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
Blues63: ...and SB's bilge overflows yet again.yawn
Blues 63 and Gardenhackle are some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable C.S. members posting on the forums, on a wide range of subjects.
Most posting against them are blind as bats, minus the radar.

S.B., do you really live here? Are you a U.S. citizen? Just wondering.
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Feb 16, 2011 5:43 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: Well,it definitely sells a lot of Videos!
And the same Old Tripe a bit revamped.


What video?

So you're saying they pretended to die? confused
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Feb 16, 2011 5:45 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly: What video?

So you're saying they pretended to die?
didn't look at the Site much,hmm?grin
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Feb 16, 2011 5:45 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
SCatlyn: Blues 63 and Gardenhackle are some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable C.S. members posting on the forums, on a wide range of subjects.
Most posting against them are blind as bats, minus the radar.
S.B., do you really live here? Are you a U.S. citizen? Just wondering.
yawn sleep rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 16, 2011 5:47 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
gininitaly: Here, maybe you can see better,


They (ifamericaknew.org) cite a newspaper (Ma’ariv)as the provider of this data but that paper is not available in English. Even so, a quick look at ifamericaknew.org's web site makes it pretty clear they have a axe to grind with the "Zionist" and I don't think I would put much merit into anything they print, say or do. Really lousy source of information unless of course that's the kind of information one is looking for.

Oddly enough, given the fake videos uncovered on the whole conflict, I have serious reservations about anything coming from that region being the truth. Info wars... Battle on....
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Feb 16, 2011 5:50 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Conrad73: didn't look at the Site much,hmm?


Not really... to be honest, just googled comparison death stats between the two and that's what popped up. dunno
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Feb 16, 2011 5:50 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Conrad73: didn't look at the Site much,hmm?


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Feb 16, 2011 5:51 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Anybody got a better source?
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Feb 16, 2011 5:59 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Sparky55: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8ANySuSuk


Yep,seen that one!
Really enjoyed the Mock-Battle!

And how the Dead come back to life! rolling on the floor laughing


Seen some of the Comments?


I am waiting for the day a passing vehicle backfires and then 40 protesters fall "dead"!

New Israeli Sniper Creed "One shot, 4,251.75 kills! - Confirmed by France 2 News!

New Israeli bullet, fire into air once, kills all day long!

Is there a? Pallywood Awards Night, red carpet and all? "Now for the most kills at the Martyrs Junction, Hajez Al Massri starring in "I died 100 deaths!"..."I'd like to thank God, all the little people, my director & editor at News 2, Oliver Stone my inspiration!"
DougsterCanada1 4 months ago 16

laugh
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Feb 16, 2011 6:02 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Conrad73: Yep,seen that one!
Really enjoyed the Mock-Battle!

And how the Dead come back to life! Seen some of the Comments? I am waiting for the day a passing vehicle backfires and then 40 protesters fall "dead"!

New Israeli Sniper Creed "One shot, 4,251.75 kills! - Confirmed by France 2 News!

New Israeli bullet, fire into air once, kills all day long!

Is there a? Pallywood Awards Night, red carpet and all? "Now for the most kills at the Martyrs Junction, Hajez Al Massri starring in "I died 100 deaths!"..."I'd like to thank God, all the little people, my director & editor at News 2, Oliver Stone my inspiration!"
DougsterCanada1 4 months ago 16


Yeah, the whole thing shows just how screwed up this really is. Note the 60 minutes piece at te start of the video. That's the crap journalism that's fed to us the consumers. One would think at least those journalists would consider the source of the information but then again, very few people really do.

The rising from the dead was funny though rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 16, 2011 6:05 AM CST Zionist Occupied America
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing yeah whoopeee.... let's just blow em all up.. they're just animals anyway... and obviously easy hits, shouldn't be much of a problem when you're dealing with a kid throwing rocks. roll eyes
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