Hunting (294)
purr4mance: interesting choice of words
i think here at cs most have moved beyond grade school.
i think here at cs most have moved beyond grade school.
Told - The past tense and past participle of "tell".
Only used as a generic term, this website is hardly a literary masterpiece, is it?
Interesting to see that you had nothing to add to the debate.
Oh, for reference, it should be a capital letter at the start of a sentence and the 'I' should be as well when referring to yourself
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epirb: Well simply or any other way ,no . NZ's Department of Conservation uses recreational hunters to help control several types of deer in our Conservation estate . There program of encouraging hunters to shoot the hinds as well as stags has met resistance as some hunters don't think shooting hinds is sport . How ever when deer numbers reach endemic proportions as they do and damage the bush they are poisoned with 1080 as per my clip post 196 . To a man or woman for thay matter ,as many hunters are female , find the poisoning of deer and pigs abhorrent .
That serves a purpose though. It's not as if it's being done to make anyone feel good. It would be the same as pest control.
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2girlsnocup: You asked this,
Hunting for food is separate from hunting for entertainment (sport). Not once have I said anything about hunting for food should be banned, but only hunting for the sake of it. Hunting for sport serves no purpose at all, apart from giving people a cheap thrill.
Do you bother reading and taking in what you've been told, or do you just rant on and on without taking notice of what's in front of you.
Hunting for food is separate from hunting for entertainment (sport). Not once have I said anything about hunting for food should be banned, but only hunting for the sake of it. Hunting for sport serves no purpose at all, apart from giving people a cheap thrill.
Do you bother reading and taking in what you've been told, or do you just rant on and on without taking notice of what's in front of you.
As I said in my prior post, there are differing definitions to "sport hunting", depending on your view towards hunting in general. The word "sport" in conjunction with "hunting" is an accepted definition for "anyone" not hunting for "subsistence", which means for survival.
The average hunter in North America is considered to be a "sportsman", and that also applies to people that fish. This is something enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of people across the continent, if not into the millions. There are government agencies dedicated solely to this in Canada and the US, as well as many television shows and channels, websites for purchasing hunting and fishing gear. There are also forums, and other websites dedicated to this pursuit, as someone else has mentioned being a member of several times on this site, and thread.
I'm sure you get the idea, but feel free to find more sites similar to these and see for yourself.
So, for yourself, and others on this thread, to use the term "sport" in conjunction with "hunting, in the manner that you have, is not only inaccurate, but also slanderous towards ethical and responsible hunters.
I haven't seen you actually define what you mean by sport hunting, other than fox hunting, which I don't condone. Unless you mean poaching, which is illegal, ie: banned, or some idiot hunter only taking the antlers or head of an animal, which is illegal, ie: banned, and also extremely rare. Every hunter I know ALWAYS takes home the entire animal, other than possibly organs, intestines and the hide, although many do that as well.
I also don't see why people shouldn't enjoy hunting, or fishing, or just being outdoors. Who are you, or anyone else to dictate, or attempt to ban what some people enjoy doing for their leisure activities and time off.
Just who and where are these people that you and others on here keep mentioning as hunting for "sport", or for "cheap thrills"?
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Glitch101: No need to apologise JK.
This thread has had many twists and turns and become unpleasant at times,but basically all people are stating is that to hunt a wild animal for sport is wrong.
To my knowledge no one has denied the right to hunt for food to live on. It's just the wanton killing en masse that becomes abhorrent to people.
This thread has had many twists and turns and become unpleasant at times,but basically all people are stating is that to hunt a wild animal for sport is wrong.
To my knowledge no one has denied the right to hunt for food to live on. It's just the wanton killing en masse that becomes abhorrent to people.
Please my my last post, and feel free to answer.
Where is this wanton killing happening, en masse no less? Please don't use the seal slaughter as an example, because that's not a sport, it's commercial enterprise, which I'm against, as I stated previously. The culling of over populated areas is also another matter, so please refrain from citing that as an example also.
Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
Anyone?
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kidatheart: Please my my last post, and feel free to answer. Where is this wanton killing happening, en masse no less? Please don't use the seal slaughter as an example, because that's not a sport, it's commercial enterprise, which I'm against, as I stated previously. The culling of over populated areas is also another matter, so please refrain from citing that as an example also.
Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
Anyone?
yea ,easter 98 I had a mob of 70 goats in a 20 acre paddock next to a road . Well fenced with an electric wire as well . 3 young guys shot 40 of them . When I found them later in the day there were dead and dying all over the paddock ,some had been shot with a shot gun which wounded rather than killed . No way out of the paddock that was wanton killing .Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
Anyone?
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epirb: yea ,easter 98 I had a mob of 70 goats in a 20 acre paddock next to a road . Well fenced with an electric wire as well . 3 young guys shot 40 of them . When I found them later in the day there were dead and dying all over the paddock ,some had been shot with a shot gun which wounded rather than killed . No way out of the paddock that was wanton killing .
How many times has this happened over the years? Were the police involved in this incident, or just the last ones?
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kidatheart: Please my my last post, and feel free to answer. Where is this wanton killing happening, en masse no less? Please don't use the seal slaughter as an example, because that's not a sport, it's commercial enterprise, which I'm against, as I stated previously. The culling of over populated areas is also another matter, so please refrain from citing that as an example also.
Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
Anyone?
Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
Anyone?
I actually thought that we were at last on the same page Kid.
Here is a classic example of wanton killing which outraged many people.
This magnificent Emperor Deer was shot during the rutting season purely for sport and it's head mounted. He was old yes, but in good health and should have been allowed to rut and produce.
Killing to survive I have no problem with ,as I have stated many times in this thread. You have different laws regarding hunting in the USA and I can't argue with that,nor would I want to,but I will protest vehemently at people who kill just for the hell of it.
We need to protect our environment not destroy it.
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200 hundred years ago......the great herds of bufflo..were a .lifeline to the red Indian.....(eg)...food/clothing...shelter(skins)......along came the Bufflo hunters,,,,wiped the lot out....result was the Indians had to move...no food....Indian wars started...because they strayed...every action has a reaction......so when you point your gun, and kill for pleasure. just think of the reaction you may have started....its a domino effect........jmo.
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Glitch101: I actually thought that we were at last on the same page Kid.
is a classic example of wanton killing which outraged many people.
This magnificent Emperor Deer was shot during the rutting season purely for sport and it's head mounted. He was old yes, but in good health and should have been allowed to rut and produce.
Killing to survive I have no problem with ,as I have stated many times in this thread. You have different laws regarding hunting in the USA and I can't argue with that,nor would I want to,but I will protest vehemently at people who kill just for the hell of it.
We need to protect our environment not destroy it.
is a classic example of wanton killing which outraged many people.
This magnificent Emperor Deer was shot during the rutting season purely for sport and it's head mounted. He was old yes, but in good health and should have been allowed to rut and produce.
Killing to survive I have no problem with ,as I have stated many times in this thread. You have different laws regarding hunting in the USA and I can't argue with that,nor would I want to,but I will protest vehemently at people who kill just for the hell of it.
We need to protect our environment not destroy it.
Also from your article....
A spokesman for the British Deer Society, which promotes deer welfare, game meat, stalking and deer management, said no laws would have been broken if the stalker was the landowner or had the landowner's permission and had used a legal firearm. He added: "If the reports are accurate, then it does seem to me a shame that an animal in its prime was culled before the rut."
A related article....
Apparently it was legal, and so long as the meat wasn't wasted, I really don't see the problem with hunting deer in England either. I do find the idea of trophy hunting a little sad, but again, so long as it's legal and the meat isn't wasted.
Not really familiar with US law, seeing as I live in Canada, and it varies from state to state, same for our provinces.
Protecting the environment, also includes proper wildlife management.
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truheart1941: 200 hundred years ago......the great herds of bufflo..were a .lifeline to the red Indian.....(eg)...food/clothing...shelter(skins)......along came the Bufflo hunters,,,,wiped the lot out....result was the Indians had to move...no food....Indian wars started...because they strayed...every action has a reaction......so when you point your gun, and kill for pleasure. just think of the reaction you may have started....its a domino effect........jmo.
That wasn't hunting for sport in any way, there were political reasons behind it. The government found the Indians easier to control and kill off in smaller numbers if they were starving.
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kidatheart: Protecting the environment, also includes proper wildlife management.
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kidatheart: Also from your article....
A spokesman for the British Deer Society, which promotes deer welfare, game meat, stalking and deer management, said no laws would have been broken if the stalker was the landowner or had the landowner's permission and had used a legal firearm. He added: "If the reports are accurate, then it does seem to me a shame that an animal in its prime was culled before the rut."
A related article....
Apparently it was legal, and so long as the meat wasn't wasted, I really don't see the problem with hunting deer in England either. I do find the idea of trophy hunting a little sad, but again, so long as it's legal and the meat isn't wasted.
Not really familiar with US law, seeing as I live in Canada, and it varies from state to state, same for our provinces.
Protecting the environment, also includes proper wildlife management.
A spokesman for the British Deer Society, which promotes deer welfare, game meat, stalking and deer management, said no laws would have been broken if the stalker was the landowner or had the landowner's permission and had used a legal firearm. He added: "If the reports are accurate, then it does seem to me a shame that an animal in its prime was culled before the rut."
A related article....
Apparently it was legal, and so long as the meat wasn't wasted, I really don't see the problem with hunting deer in England either. I do find the idea of trophy hunting a little sad, but again, so long as it's legal and the meat isn't wasted.
Not really familiar with US law, seeing as I live in Canada, and it varies from state to state, same for our provinces.
Protecting the environment, also includes proper wildlife management.
The landowner was paid by the hunter to shoot this specific deer in the middle of the rutting season. It should have been allowed to live out it's life naturally.
This was a trophy hunt,somewhere to hang his hat maybe as he wasn't interested in the venison, just the antlers..
We do try to look after our environment,not always successfully I might add.
With apologies for the statement re the USA .I crossed the border from Canada.
Nice to learn from each other. Thanks for all your input.
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How about a petition ...( which won`t change anything )
U.S. Navy Killing Thousands of Whales & Dolphins With Sonar & Weapons Testing
U.S. Navy Killing Thousands of Whales & Dolphins With Sonar & Weapons Testing
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Dedovix: How about a petition ...( which won`t change anything )
U.S. Navy Killing Thousands of Whales & Dolphins With Sonar & Weapons Testing
U.S. Navy Killing Thousands of Whales & Dolphins With Sonar & Weapons Testing
So what do you suggest?????
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tomcatwarne: So what do you suggest?????
Get on your wet suit and start pedaling ,be the hero save the day and win the girl
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Glitch101: The landowner was paid by the hunter to shoot this specific deer in the middle of the rutting season. It should have been allowed to live out it's life naturally.
This was a trophy hunt,somewhere to hang his hat maybe as he wasn't interested in the venison, just the antlers..
We do try to look after our environment,not always successfully I might add.
With apologies for the statement re the USA .I crossed the border from Canada. Nice to learn from each other. Thanks for all your input.
This was a trophy hunt,somewhere to hang his hat maybe as he wasn't interested in the venison, just the antlers..
We do try to look after our environment,not always successfully I might add.
With apologies for the statement re the USA .I crossed the border from Canada. Nice to learn from each other. Thanks for all your input.
Seems nobody knows for sure that it was that specific deer, and others have said it wasn't, that he is still alive and well. A lot of speculation, seeing that this specific deer was normally seen 10 miles away, in a park. Still, whatever deer it was, there is no body. I'm guessing the person is likely going to eat the deer as well, as the whole animal is gone.
I've seen a lot of articles similar to this, and in general, they're sensationalist drivel meant to stir up the public's emotions, without clear evidence to back it.
If deer hunting is allowed, I'm sure there must be a sizable herd, and the proper authorities would know where to draw a limit. Also, with a park in the vicinity, they would be in a protected area, where I would assume no hunting is allowed. That would be the case here, in national or provincial parks. In fact, you can't even bring a firearm in to any of them.
In a protected area such as that, they can flourish, and grow in numbers very quickly. I don't know what sort of predators you have in England that the deer would be natural prey to, if any. That would mean there's nothing to keep the population in check, other than man, or old age. The problem with an animal dying of old age is, it can be gruesome for the animal, and even if someone does put it out of it's misery, nobody will eat it.
There are laws in place, checks and balances, to ensure it's reasonably fair for all, the people involved, and the animals. It's hard for me to comment on specifics for other countries, but I'm sure in the western world, they're fairly similar. Africa and Asia might be completely different, not sure. The only news/articles I ever see are about are game farms and poaching, neither of which are sporting, and the latter being illegal, everywhere on the planet as far as I know.
No worries, and thank you.
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@ Kidatheart.
He was definitely shot and killed as he has never been seen since and people saw the carcass being removed from the landowner's property.
You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
He was definitely shot and killed as he has never been seen since and people saw the carcass being removed from the landowner's property.
You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
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Glitch101: @ Kidatheart.He was definitely shot and killed as he has never been seen since and people saw the carcass being removed from the landowner's property.
You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
Huge ? modest by most standards . What surprised me though is the herd kill there . You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
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Glitch101: @ Kidatheart.He was definitely shot and killed as he has never been seen since and people saw the carcass being removed from the landowner's property.
You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
You couldn't miss seeing a huge animal like that and he was well know in those parts, as deer roam free on Exmoor where they are protected. Unfortunately he strayed onto private land and was up for grabs at a price.
As for the meat I would imagine at his age it would have been too tough to eat.
Just another thrill for a trophy hunter.
There are specific laws in this country that legal hunters have to abide by such as the calibre of the bullet etc. It's incidents like this that make it difficult for the legal stalkers, as people get up in arms and the Government steps in and passes laws to stop the shoots.
Most of us Brits are real soft about animal welfare especially the wild kind.
Two schools of thought in that article, one for, one against, and some of the points I mentioned in my previous post were also brought up. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't feel the same way about it.
The idea of passing laws to keep a specific deer from being shot is ridiculous, and hard to enforce, if not impossible. We have size limits from a base when they're young, but not how old. Although, politicians don't mind the opportunity to appease the public in some way, to make themselves look good at any opportunity, but especially when it's a highly emotional subject.
At first I was under the impression there weren't that many deer in England, but that article stated 350,000 are culled each year. I have to wonder if that includes the ones that are legally harvested by hunters.
Another article on the matter overall....
Oh, and even a 12 year old deer tastes good slow roasted in the oven or a slow cooker. Or there's jerky, or even sausages....you do enjoy sausages over there, don't you?
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Hunting for food is separate from hunting for entertainment (sport). Not once have I said anything about hunting for food should be banned, but only hunting for the sake of it. Hunting for sport serves no purpose at all, apart from giving people a cheap thrill.
Do you bother reading and taking in what you've been told, or do you just rant on and on without taking notice of what's in front of you.