EDWARD SNOWDEN (58)
AlanStagg: Mmmmmm.....?
The question is, did Snowden disclose illegal acts? Did he disclose actions that were illegal under the laws of the U.S.A.?
Certainly he disclosed "classified" information, but classifying illegal acts, still doesn't make those acts legal. Disclosure in this case is no crime and is very much in the public interest imo.
If however, he disclosed "classified" information about perfectly legal, but maybe questionable acts, that would be a crime.
If the F.B.I. have evidence that he's committed a crime, then he should be charged and go to trial. Until that's done, a Presidential Pardon just isn't possible imo.
The solution as I see it , would be to allow Snowden to return to the U.S.A. and continue to live unshackled and as a free man, but to be subject to trial if evidence justifies that.
The question is, did Snowden disclose illegal acts? Did he disclose actions that were illegal under the laws of the U.S.A.?
Certainly he disclosed "classified" information, but classifying illegal acts, still doesn't make those acts legal. Disclosure in this case is no crime and is very much in the public interest imo.
If however, he disclosed "classified" information about perfectly legal, but maybe questionable acts, that would be a crime.
If the F.B.I. have evidence that he's committed a crime, then he should be charged and go to trial. Until that's done, a Presidential Pardon just isn't possible imo.
The solution as I see it , would be to allow Snowden to return to the U.S.A. and continue to live unshackled and as a free man, but to be subject to trial if evidence justifies that.
Huh..... I wonder how Hillary Cinton gets around this and is then able to run for election to be the next POTUS! How did Bill Clinton get around treason?
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Friskyone: The NSA whistleblower has asked President Obama for a pardon.
Do you think he should grant the pardon?
Do you think he should grant the pardon?
Yes, most definitely.
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Aragorn11: Yes, most definitely.
Why do you think that Vinny
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"Live and let leak"
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we all make silly mistakes.....just forget..and forgive...jmo.......
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sophiasummer: For telling the truth.
Essentially, no one should be persecuted for telling the truth as a rule. I do think he needs to realize that although it was good that he revealed the NSA to us here and their dirty deeds,that it is also important to protect the national security and identity of gov't employees who could be harmed. In an adult world, there should be a non punitive way to accomplish this.
He was able to do what he did because he lives in a secure country that is reasonably safe. Can he say he did not reveal info that would jeopardize that? If not, I have no problem with him returning....I wonder if Trump would hire him? lol
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lifeisadream: "Live and let leak"
like anyone can really stop it anyway...
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snowden had better stay away from BO.....he is doing a fab service for usa citizens.......Obama hates his guts......
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Friskyone: The NSA whistleblower has asked President Obama for a pardon.
Do you think he should grant the pardon?
Do you think he should grant the pardon?
People like Snowden are necessary. We need to know what governments (we elect) does and is doing. The truth only hurts when we forget about human behavior… history is full of facts.
full pardon.
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secretagent09: Why do you think that Vinny
Because I think what he did was morally right and did a lot of good for normal citizens, in your country and further afield.
Politicians and Governments have to be held accountable to the people and not given free reign to adhere to our constitutions when and how it pleases them. We give them too much power. In the end they have to be accountable under the Law, to the people they serve, us, just like we are.
He was also very prudent about what he released to ensure there were no real threat to the US from what he released. He wanted to show the scale of the illegalities without releasing information that may harm your national security by revealing secrets that may be used against the US.
As far as I'm concerned he is a hero.
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Aragorn11: Because I think what he did was morally right and did a lot of good for normal citizens, in your country and further afield.
Politicians and Governments have to be held accountable to the people and not given free reign to adhere to our constitutions when and how it pleases them. We give them too much power. In the end they have to be accountable under the Law, to the people they serve, us, just like we are.
He was also very prudent about what he released to ensure there were no real threat to the US from what he released. He wanted to show the scale of the illegalities without releasing information that may harm your national security by revealing secrets that may be used against the US.
As far as I'm concerned he is a hero.
Politicians and Governments have to be held accountable to the people and not given free reign to adhere to our constitutions when and how it pleases them. We give them too much power. In the end they have to be accountable under the Law, to the people they serve, us, just like we are.
He was also very prudent about what he released to ensure there were no real threat to the US from what he released. He wanted to show the scale of the illegalities without releasing information that may harm your national security by revealing secrets that may be used against the US.
As far as I'm concerned he is a hero.
I concur
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The 10 Biggest Revelations From Edward Snowden's Leaks
1. Secret court orders allow NSA to sweep up Americans' phone records
2. PRISM
3. Britain's version of the NSA taps fiber optic cables around the world
4. NSA spies on foreign countries and world leaders
5. XKeyscore, the program that sees everything
XKeyscore is a tool the NSA uses to search "nearly everything a user does on the Internet"
6. NSA efforts to crack encryption and undermine Internet security
7. NSA elite hacking team techniques revealed
The NSA has at its disposal an elite hacker team codenamed "Tailored Access Operations" (TAO) that hacks into computers worldwide, infects them with malware and does the dirty job when other surveillance tactics fail.
8. NSA cracks Google and Yahoo data center links
9. NSA collects text messages
It's not just about Internet data though. The NSA, following its unofficial motto of "collecting it all," intercepts 200 million text messages every day worldwide through a program called Dishfire.
10. NSA intercepts all phone calls in two countries
Bonus: Edward Snowden's first in-person interview with an American news outlet
1. Secret court orders allow NSA to sweep up Americans' phone records
2. PRISM
3. Britain's version of the NSA taps fiber optic cables around the world
4. NSA spies on foreign countries and world leaders
5. XKeyscore, the program that sees everything
XKeyscore is a tool the NSA uses to search "nearly everything a user does on the Internet"
6. NSA efforts to crack encryption and undermine Internet security
7. NSA elite hacking team techniques revealed
The NSA has at its disposal an elite hacker team codenamed "Tailored Access Operations" (TAO) that hacks into computers worldwide, infects them with malware and does the dirty job when other surveillance tactics fail.
8. NSA cracks Google and Yahoo data center links
9. NSA collects text messages
It's not just about Internet data though. The NSA, following its unofficial motto of "collecting it all," intercepts 200 million text messages every day worldwide through a program called Dishfire.
10. NSA intercepts all phone calls in two countries
Bonus: Edward Snowden's first in-person interview with an American news outlet
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felixis99: like anyone can really stop it anyway...
Some time ago I read an interesting article about "Live and let leak" in the Foreign Affairs Magazine there is also a 305 pp book on that topic discussing the legal framework to keep the country safe while making the gov accountable and preserving American civil liberties,..which I will not read
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Aragorn11: Because I think what he did was morally right and did a lot of good for normal citizens, in your country and further afield.
Politicians and Governments have to be held accountable to the people and not given free reign to adhere to our constitutions when and how it pleases them. We give them too much power. In the end they have to be accountable under the Law, to the people they serve, us, just like we are.
He was also very prudent about what he released to ensure there were no real threat to the US from what he released. He wanted to show the scale of the illegalities without releasing information that may harm your national security by revealing secrets that may be used against the US.
As far as I'm concerned he is a hero.
Politicians and Governments have to be held accountable to the people and not given free reign to adhere to our constitutions when and how it pleases them. We give them too much power. In the end they have to be accountable under the Law, to the people they serve, us, just like we are.
He was also very prudent about what he released to ensure there were no real threat to the US from what he released. He wanted to show the scale of the illegalities without releasing information that may harm your national security by revealing secrets that may be used against the US.
As far as I'm concerned he is a hero.
If CONgress won't do their job of oversight someone's got to expose the lies and illegal acts..
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what signal would you be sending to the wistleblowers of tomorrow?
Especially because it is a war against foreign countries too.
Your usage gets copied at least 4 times. usa, china, uk, russia, germany, ... probably turkey, japan, israel also process a lot.
Gov and their beneficiaries don't like secrets to be out.
To use two current examples. Hillary will not leak Trump his dirty deeds, Trump will not leak Hillary her dirty deeds.
Especially because it is a war against foreign countries too.
Your usage gets copied at least 4 times. usa, china, uk, russia, germany, ... probably turkey, japan, israel also process a lot.
Gov and their beneficiaries don't like secrets to be out.
To use two current examples. Hillary will not leak Trump his dirty deeds, Trump will not leak Hillary her dirty deeds.
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Friskyone: The NSA whistleblower has asked President Obama for a pardon.
Do you think he should grant the pardon?
Its a great pity there are not many more like him . He must of know that that he would be a target for the rest of his life . Selfless individual who has sacrificed himself to keep the rest of us thankless crap safe . What a contrast between Clinton and her garbage milking the system for her and her clique and this guy with nothing to gain . Pardon him , and protect him to encourage others to follow in his footsteps .Do you think he should grant the pardon?
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felixis99: Essentially, no one should be persecuted for telling the truth as a rule. I do think he needs to realize that although it was good that he revealed the NSA to us here and their dirty deeds,
that it is also important to protect the national security and identity of gov't employees who could be harmed. In an adult world, there should be a non punitive way to accomplish this.
He was able to do what he did because he lives in a secure country that is reasonably safe. Can he say he did not reveal info that would jeopardize that? If not, I have no problem with him returning....I wonder if Trump would hire him? lol
that it is also important to protect the national security and identity of gov't employees who could be harmed. In an adult world, there should be a non punitive way to accomplish this.
He was able to do what he did because he lives in a secure country that is reasonably safe. Can he say he did not reveal info that would jeopardize that? If not, I have no problem with him returning....I wonder if Trump would hire him? lol
I'm pretty sure that I read or heard that no government employees were harmed by what he did.
People assume that they are listening to their phone calls which is absurd. If someone is on the "Watch List" then they have something to worry about.
There is a strong possibility that what the NSA is doing has stopped more terrorism on the U.S. then anyone can imagine. We didn't hear about that because it is a covert action.
I would wager that the NSA isn't bugging my cellphone calls or yours Felix or anyone who leads a normal life.
I hear it all the time in the news that there haven't been any threats. How do you think they know that? They have to listen to people who are on the "Watch List" to know what they are planning.
Yes, Snowden did commit treason and I hate anyone who does that especially Robert Hanssen whose treason caused the death of many government agents.
People should ask themselves if they would have let it slide what he saw (by accident) and just say it's none of my business.
Would that have been patriotic?
Judging by the responses most think he's a patriotic hero but at the same time he committed treason.
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secretagent09: I'm pretty sure that I read or heard that no government employees were harmed by what he did.
People assume that they are listening to their phone calls which is absurd. If someone is on the "Watch List" then they have something to worry about.
There is a strong possibility that what the NSA is doing has stopped more terrorism on the U.S. then anyone can imagine. We didn't hear about that because it is a covert action.
I would wager that the NSA isn't bugging my cellphone calls or yours Felix or anyone who leads a normal life.
I hear it all the time in the news that there haven't been any threats. How do you think they know that? They have to listen to people who are on the "Watch List" to know what they are planning.
Yes, Snowden did commit treason and I hate anyone who does that especially Robert Hanssen whose treason caused the death of many government agents.
People should ask themselves if they would have let it slide what he saw (by accident) and just say it's none of my business.
Would that have been patriotic?
Judging by the responses most think he's a patriotic hero but at the same time he committed treason.
You obviously do not understand the essence of the difference between selling one's country out to another and wanting to protect the liberty of one's countryman .People assume that they are listening to their phone calls which is absurd. If someone is on the "Watch List" then they have something to worry about.
There is a strong possibility that what the NSA is doing has stopped more terrorism on the U.S. then anyone can imagine. We didn't hear about that because it is a covert action.
I would wager that the NSA isn't bugging my cellphone calls or yours Felix or anyone who leads a normal life.
I hear it all the time in the news that there haven't been any threats. How do you think they know that? They have to listen to people who are on the "Watch List" to know what they are planning.
Yes, Snowden did commit treason and I hate anyone who does that especially Robert Hanssen whose treason caused the death of many government agents.
People should ask themselves if they would have let it slide what he saw (by accident) and just say it's none of my business.
Would that have been patriotic?
Judging by the responses most think he's a patriotic hero but at the same time he committed treason.
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what is the difference mate
perhaps you can locate the answer out here
perhaps you can locate the answer out here
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