Yes, l do ...my ex-neighbour listened to his shrewish, nightmare of a wife & did NOT invite me to Christmas Dinner ...2 1/2 months later he was squeeshed flat as a pancake, outside in the road ...huge, expensive funeral & delicious food
rizlared: A quick read of some of your past posts would suggest that Karma is already having an effect on you.
mmm, no argument there ...l read my mothers Edgar Cayce as a child & it has stayed with me throughout my life ...as an atheist, it's (karma) belief systems still interest me ...when l see someone get their comeuppance* for many years of selfishness, disregard of others well-being or dishonest misdeeds, l notice it !!
*The form "just deserts" might take is often outside my control.
Sparrowgael: Not confusing at all. If we are spiritual beings having a human experience, we are creating our reality ; ergo we get what we think we get; whatever philosophy you subscribe to is the exact philosophy you are supposed to subscribe to for this life experience and you are playing by the rules inherent therein but subject to change in other life experiences (before and after as they are not linear) based on necessary lessons and karmic retribution.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Tolkien
My whole phillosophy stands against karma. Every man gets more or less than he deserves, not what he deserves, and the best amongst us endure the worst of times where the least amongst us create them.
I suppose I believe that legacy is karmic. We respect heroes for taking on more than their share of suffering and hold in contempt those who shirk in ease. If you live right and if you do greatly posterity will reward you for it in memory, but if you're a small and twatty you'll find that kids today show no respect. People in their own lifetime get more or less than they deserve as the fates decide, but the test of time is something else.
ChesneyChrist: “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Tolkien
My whole phillosophy stands against karma. Every man gets more or less than he deserves, not what he deserves, and the best amongst us endure the worst of times where the least amongst us create them.
I suppose I believe that legacy is karmic. We respect heroes for taking on more than their share of suffering and hold in contempt those who shirk in ease. If you live right and if you do greatly posterity will reward you for it in memory, but if you're a small and twatty you'll find that kids today show no respect. People in their own lifetime get more or less than they deserve as the fates decide, but the test of time is something else.
My main objection to karma is the belief that good times happen to good people. It's more the case in new age karma that bad people deceive themselves into believing they are good because of the luxuries, comforts and avantages they inherited from great men who triumphed over adversity.
If you apply the rules of karma in reverse, you'd be walking up to somebody in a wheelchair and keep on reminding them they must have been a real arsehole in a past life.
ChesneyChrist: My main objection to karma is the belief that good times happen to good people. It's more the case in new age karma that bad people deceive themselves into believing they are good because of the luxuries, comforts and avantages they inherited from great men who triumphed over adversity.
"Any man be in good spirits and good temper when he's well dressed. There ain't much credit in that"
I agree with Dickens, not karma. Privilege and the good life in no way mean you're of good character - karma imo is what spoilt people believe in to feel more entitled to what they don't deserve: there's a reason why karma is popular with baby boomers and women in general in a western context karma is simply entitlement - the good life happened to me and by virtue of that happening I must be a good person.
ChesneyChrist: "Any man be in good spirits and good temper when he's well dressed. There ain't much credit in that"
I agree with Dickens, not karma. Privilege and the good life in no way mean you're of good character - karma imo is what spoilt people believe in to feel more entitled to what they don't deserve: there's a reason why karma is popular with baby boomers and women in general in a western context karma is simply entitlement - the good life happened to me and by virtue of that happening I must be a good person.
When you don't come to terms with people getting more or less than they deserve in life you'll misunderstand why people don't respect your "success". You'll see people as envying what you have when that is not the point, the objection is to how karma denies the existence of blessings - a blessing is fate being kind to you through no good of your own. And that's problem. Women are showered in blessings more than men and baby boomers are blessed more than any other age and karma is for these people about avoiding gratitude for blessings and instead celebrating yourself for good luck.
And I guess karma is liek the grand law of buying a Twix - it's transactional, it's you get what you give when we know that people give more than they get or get more than they give, even the same attitudes and actions can lead to wildly different outcomes and this fundamental unfairness of life creates all the variety and spice in it.
As far as spiritual beliefs go karma is as close to buying a twix as you can get, there's a reason why karma became fashionable in the west in perfect tandem with the rise of consumerism - it turns the soul itself into a transactional currency of exchange - and there's a reason why karma belongs in the far east where individuals are grimly predictable lacking variety and personality.
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
ChesneyChrist: “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
Tolkien
My whole phillosophy stands against karma. Every man gets more or less than he deserves, not what he deserves, and the best amongst us endure the worst of times where the least amongst us create them.
I suppose I believe that legacy is karmic. We respect heroes for taking on more than their share of suffering and hold in contempt those who shirk in ease. If you live right and if you do greatly posterity will reward you for it in memory, but if you're a small and twatty you'll find that kids today show no respect. People in their own lifetime get more or less than they deserve as the fates decide, but the test of time is something else.
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
ChesneyChrist: And I guess karma is liek the grand law of buying a Twix - it's transactional, it's you get what you give when we know that people give more than they get or get more than they give, even the same attitudes and actions can lead to wildly different outcomes and this fundamental unfairness of life creates all the variety and spice in it.
As far as spiritual beliefs go karma is as close to buying a twix as you can get, there's a reason why karma became fashionable in the west in perfect tandem with the rise of consumerism - it turns the soul itself into a transactional currency of exchange - and there's a reason why karma belongs in the far east where individuals are grimly predictable lacking variety and personality.
Do u not know the difference between
"Right and Wrong, Black and White, Sunrise and Sunset, etc"
Spiritual:-
What does it mean in ur language and style of living ?
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and as with everything u 1st need to try something before u can make any decision
Pro or Com ?????