lately i've come into contact with people who call themselves agnostics who say that they neither believe nor disbelieve. would anyone be happy if their partner said i'm not saying that i do love you and i'm not saying that i don't - really? the reason given is that there is no proof so i'd like this thread to be a forum where people from all over the world can provide proof or disprove the existence of an almighty God where we can all share opinions and have a lively open discussion on this topic. my opinion is that there is an almighty God and i communicate with almighty God every day and proof of his existence is all around me. hoping to hear what you have to say
rockymarciano: where people from all over the world can provide proof or disprove the existence of an almighty God
For all the hundreds of years people have been talking about God, no one has ever proved he exists. On the other hand, you can't prove something doesn't exist; I can't prove pixies don't exist, for example. I think the most sensible approach is to use your common sense and assume he doesn't exist, but allow for the extremely unlikely possibility that he might exist.
smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa3,651 posts
Harbal: For all the hundreds of years people have been talking about God, no one has ever proved he exists. On the other hand, you can't prove something doesn't exist; I can't prove pixies don't exist, for example. I think the most sensible approach is to use your common sense and assume he doesn't exist, but allow for the extremely unlikely possibility that he might exist.
I used to be a Christian...asking questions...which mostly could not be answered by people...So I got the Bible online...and looked for myself...You are Not Supposed to query anything in the Bible or it's origin...I would be called the Doubting Thomas...in Bible terms...and guess what...I still don't have any answers to my questions...that includes the fact that the Bible is only a history book...and it's like referring to any children's story without proof...as nothing can be proven...
what is good and what is not good? who decides? if i give somebody some money does that make me good and if i don't give somebody money even though i could does that make me not good? who makes the rules? throughout history people were persecuted for what was perceived at the time to be not good only to find decades later the same thing was perceived to in fact be good.
while i do believe that religion (of which there are many different forms) has a role to play in society and in the world i personally never go to a church,mosque,synagogue,temple, satanic ritual or any of these things. all wars that have been fought were either for political or religious reasons and therefore i'd rather stay clear of these cause people can become very defensive about them. the question is how do you prove or disprove to yourself that almighty God exists.
agnostics say that while you cannot prove that something doesn't exist you can indeed prove that it does. so if for example you and i went to lords cricket ground to watch a match and we saw the green playing field, how could i know for certain that the green that i see is the same green that you see. if you are familiar with the mechanics of sight,light and colour you might concede that while unlikely it is entirely possible that my brain could possibly interpret what is reflected onto my retina differently and that just possibly i could be seeing something different to what you are seeing,on the other hand the person who is colour blind would see no colour at all so does the colour green actually exist at all or not ? do you see my point? how, when or why did the electron decide to revolve around the proton ,it never did this is the work of almighty god and there very are many others that is conclusive proof to me that almighty god exists. and to anyone who has ever been really and truly frightened who do you call out to and why?
rockymarciano: lately i've come into contact with people who call themselves agnostics who say that they neither believe nor disbelieve. would anyone be happy if their partner said i'm not saying that i do love you and i'm not saying that i don't - really?
I get that someone might not be happy if their partner said the above.
They might experience a different emotion, or a number of emotions. Personally, I'd be curious about what they do think and feel, but wouldn't necessarily interpret that statement as negative. I wouldn't necessarily be unhappy.
It could be the start of an emotionally intimate interaction and/or an interesting intellectual one. Love is such a nebulous word, but also a versatile and somewhat indefinable one.
You've directly linked agnosticism, neither believing, nor disbelieving with the concept of ambivalent love and implied happiness is contingent upon commitment to one, or the other. So, who do you think feels unhappiness as a result of agnosticism?
rockymarciano: lately i've come into contact with people who call themselves agnostics who say that they neither believe nor disbelieve. would anyone be happy if their partner said i'm not saying that i do love you and i'm not saying that i don't - really? the reason given is that there is no proof so i'd like this thread to be a forum where people from all over the world can provide proof or disprove the existence of an almighty God where we can all share opinions and have a lively open discussion on this topic. my opinion is that there is an almighty God and i communicate with almighty God every day and proof of his existence is all around me. hoping to hear what you have to say
And this genius amongst the idiots that is religion grows corrupt the larger it gets. The prophet was just the father of the family in the cave and at family size its easier to forgive total control in one man providing the self-control for everybody else. The superalpha leading the uberbeta is not that dangerous when it's the father of a family looking out for his own children.
Butcher559Whangarei, Northland New Zealand750 posts
smiley963: I used to be a Christian...asking questions...which mostly could not be answered by people...So I got the Bible online...and looked for myself...You are Not Supposed to query anything in the Bible or it's origin...I would be called the Doubting Thomas...in Bible terms...and guess what...I still don't have any answers to my questions...that includes the fact that the Bible is only a history book...and it's like referring to any children's story without proof...as nothing can be proven...
I agree that christians don't like anyone questioning the bible or the beliefs around the religion, but i still did ask the hard questions anyway and pretty much got the boot out of the bible study group.. and they separate themself from you in the religious way, but that's the norm worldwide with all religions... As for proving God is real or not, i'm not even going to try.. its about what matter to me and i'm not going to try to convince any person to follow my ways, focus on yourself first and foremost.
Butcher559: I agree that christians don't like anyone questioning the bible or the beliefs around the religion, but i still did ask the hard questions anyway and pretty much got the boot out of the bible study group.. and they separate themself from you in the religious way, but that's the norm worldwide with all religions... As for proving God is real or not, i'm not even going to try.. its about what matter to me and i'm not going to try to convince any person to follow my ways, focus on yourself first and foremost.
Usually if you question them, it starts to turn to, well you have to have faith.. That's been my experience so far..
Im an agnostic. I accept the possibility of the existence of a higher power. However "blind faith" and organised religion can be very dangerous. Religion has been used for centuries to gain power ,money and exploit people. Its similar to politics but the spiritual dimension makes it more powerful and more dangerous. All ethnic groups have mythologies,the Celts have legends,the Vikings have sagas. the bible is Jewish mythology.Abraham was a leader of a monotheistic religious group.Judaism evolved in to Christianity and Islam and look at the violence and mayhem these faiths have caused in the world.
it's interesting how everyone who responded to the question immediately assumed a religious connotation the question has nothing at all to do with religion or church. i invite you to go to you tube and punch in 'earth in the universe' where you will find many fascinating posts - one three minute clip titled 'earth compared to the rest of the universe' really caught my attention. check out this site think about it then answer the question
PeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands6,334 posts
religion is a way for some people to make a lot of money by selling fake news, others are religeous for all evil they commit will be forgiven by God, according to what they believe. And the people with power use religion for an excuse to dominate other folks and steal their land and all they have, like the white did in Asia and with the Indians.
rockymarciano: it's interesting how everyone who responded to the question immediately assumed a religious connotation the question has nothing at all to do with religion or church. i invite you to go to you tube and punch in 'earth in the universe' where you will find many fascinating posts - one three minute clip titled 'earth compared to the rest of the universe' really caught my attention. check out this site think about it then answer the question
Can you tell me how my response relates to religion, or church?
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nor disbelieve. would anyone be happy if their partner said i'm not saying that i do love you and i'm not saying that i don't - really?
the reason given is that there is no proof so i'd like this thread to be a forum where people from all over the
world can provide proof or disprove the existence of an almighty God where we can all share opinions and
have a lively open discussion on this topic. my opinion is that there is an almighty God and i communicate
with almighty God every day and proof of his existence is all around me.
hoping to hear what you have to say