What do you think about the Ark Encounter? (445)
EriK_tg: Did you miss the way she spoke to me? She refused to understand me and kept insisting that I was making ignorant statements that I was not. I find that incredibly disrespectful and I will rebuke such behavior.
And your behaviour redeems that???
EriK_tg: Careful while you're hurling those elephants.
God can do anything in the sense that He has unrestrained creative/transmutive/locomotive/destructive power over all matter and energy. This is what is generally considered when people say God is "omnipotent." Omnipotence does not allow you to behave counter to logic. God doesn't contradict Himself (because He is unchanging), so that means that He can't violate principles of logic such as the Law of Non-Contradiction.
Science used to be defined as "knowledge," since it means literally con=with science=knowledge, and science is definitely one way to learn from and understand God through His creation. I would never say science doesn't matter. I will say that observational science is limited, however, so that the scientific method cannot give us the final say on what happened in the past. More is needed.There are many things we don't understand, but we know that God validated the Bible as it existed in c. 30 AD (and we retain copies from that period) via Jesus' affirmation of the inerrancy and authority of Scripture, so thus anything the Bible says about what happened in the past must be true. The key is to understand what it is that He in fact said, and then to use science to fully understand the evidence. The Bible is our starting-point for understanding the world. Man's fallible ideas always get it wrong in one way or another. God's Word is the only Ultimate standard.
Yes, and who shall we believe is truly inspired then, my friend? Even established churches don't agree with doctrine. Where is the harmony in that? In fact, ministers will jokingly talk of another denomination, as if to imply that their patience with those "errant ones" will suffice to win them to Glory. Yeah, that's love, all right. The truth is that none of us will ever, in this life, be able to sort it all out, and even if we could, I say the miracle is that it is a different experience for each of us; and trying to put an umbrella policy on what we say God's relationship with another person is, is extremely and erroneously presumptuous. Have you ever heard of Epicurus? He wrote of human kind's journey of a zest for understanding. God is just fine with our desire and need to find reason and purpose in the world and universe, and to question Him. Look, He put brain cells in us, didn't He? Do you think He was just playing Tiddly Winks? Just bored, was He? Read Epicurus--I'll get you started:God can do anything in the sense that He has unrestrained creative/transmutive/locomotive/destructive power over all matter and energy. This is what is generally considered when people say God is "omnipotent." Omnipotence does not allow you to behave counter to logic. God doesn't contradict Himself (because He is unchanging), so that means that He can't violate principles of logic such as the Law of Non-Contradiction.
Science used to be defined as "knowledge," since it means literally con=with science=knowledge, and science is definitely one way to learn from and understand God through His creation. I would never say science doesn't matter. I will say that observational science is limited, however, so that the scientific method cannot give us the final say on what happened in the past. More is needed.There are many things we don't understand, but we know that God validated the Bible as it existed in c. 30 AD (and we retain copies from that period) via Jesus' affirmation of the inerrancy and authority of Scripture, so thus anything the Bible says about what happened in the past must be true. The key is to understand what it is that He in fact said, and then to use science to fully understand the evidence. The Bible is our starting-point for understanding the world. Man's fallible ideas always get it wrong in one way or another. God's Word is the only Ultimate standard.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing?
Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call Him God?
get it?
EriK_tg: Did you miss the way she spoke to me? She refused to understand me and kept insisting that I was making ignorant statements that I was not. I find that incredibly disrespectful and I will rebuke such behavior.
oooo just go get your blankey!!!
"EriK_tg: I see where your problem is.
You think a flood that covers the whole earth would for some reason NOT erode everything on the surface and redeposit it elsewhere. Would you like an explanation of why floods are catastrophic and not tranquil?"
I suppose that you expect me to take what you said above to mean that you honestly think that a world-wide flood could leave absolutely no geologic evidence? How unscientific of you.
You think a flood that covers the whole earth would for some reason NOT erode everything on the surface and redeposit it elsewhere. Would you like an explanation of why floods are catastrophic and not tranquil?"
NCC1968: Thanks for the answer.....I do indeed understand now -
- that you simply are not equipped to debate at this level...and probably do not know you are not.
- that you simply are not equipped to debate at this level...and probably do not know you are not.
I suppose that you expect me to take what you said above to mean that you honestly think that a world-wide flood could leave absolutely no geologic evidence? How unscientific of you.
EriK_tg: Did you miss the way she spoke to me? She refused to understand me and kept insisting that I was making ignorant statements that I was not. I find that incredibly disrespectful and I will rebuke such behavior.
.....and you need to shed that Preacher-Tone!We're NOT your Sheep!REBUKE!
Holy Ark,Batman!
Amity: And your behaviour redeems that???
What part of my response to her was poor behavior? I simply restated what she said. I asked her if science was a physical being and she did not deny it, but insisted that I was wrong (and since I was saying that science is immaterial, then that by exclusion means she thinks it is material).
I simply did reductio ad absurdum on her comments. If it looked ridiculous, it's because her comments were.
EriK_tg: What part of my response to her was poor behavior? I simply restated what she said. I asked her if science was a physical being and she did not deny it, but insisted that I was wrong (and since I was saying that science is immaterial, then that by exclusion means she thinks it is material).
I simply did reductio ad absurdum on her comments. If it looked ridiculous, it's because her comments were.
mainly ABSURD you did!I simply did reductio ad absurdum on her comments. If it looked ridiculous, it's because her comments were.
My My .......this thread sure has progressed from where it started - discussing an ARK Park .....
EriK_tg: What part of my response to her was poor behavior? I simply restated what she said. I asked her if science was a physical being and she did not deny it, but insisted that I was wrong (and since I was saying that science is immaterial, then that by exclusion means she thinks it is material).
I simply did reductio ad absurdum on her comments. If it looked ridiculous, it's because her comments were.
I simply did reductio ad absurdum on her comments. If it looked ridiculous, it's because her comments were.
I have read this thread...you are behaving as if you are beyond anyone else's opinion. Which is why you are receiving the response you are.
If you can not accept others opinions then this discussion is worthless.
Give and take.
NCC1968: Thanks for the answer.....I do indeed understand now -
- that you simply are not equipped to debate at this level...and probably do not know you are not.
- that you simply are not equipped to debate at this level...and probably do not know you are not.
rohaan:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing?
Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call Him God?
get it?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing?
Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call Him God?
get it?
He is willing and able. Have you read the parable of the weeds?
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The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
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Hopefully you don't need an explanation for the symbolism.
Amity: I have read this thread...you are behaving as if you are beyond anyone else's opinion. Which is why you are receiving the response you are.
If you can not accept others opinions then this discussion is worthless.
Give and take.
If you can not accept others opinions then this discussion is worthless.
Give and take.
Please read the post immediately above the one where you posted this, and reconsider.
EriK_tg: I suppose that you expect me to take what you said ... to mean that you honestly think that a world-wide flood could leave absolutely no geologic evidence? How unscientific of you.
That is EXACTLY (part) of what I said and even though you know I said it you have no answer to give me. I well know of the "proof" that has been shown for a long time of the flood in the geological record, but it FAILS.
As I said........come back when you are properly versed.
The search for truth starts with an OPEN (undecided) mind.....and you don't have that. You just want to convince us and "win" somehow.
EriK_tg: Please read the post immediately above the one where you posted this, and reconsider.
As i have said...the reason for the responses are due to your own.
You have a right to express your believes...but do not belittle others there's.
EriK_tg: He is willing and able. Have you read the parable of the weeds?
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The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven ...AND SO ON......
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The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven ...AND SO ON......
In a debate you have to use what is agreed on as a valid reference. Saying something is in the bible does not work. I read Lord of the Rings....so Mordor must be a real place
EriK_tg: He is willing and able. Have you read the parable of the weeds?
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The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
********
Hopefully you don't need an explanation for the symbolism.
************
The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
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Hopefully you don't need an explanation for the symbolism.
The Parable of the Weeds
Admit inhaling....
SS
Amity: Hmmm, read through a few posts have to say i admire your belief's but the way you relate to others is appalling.
Not everyone will think as you think, that gives you no right what so ever to belittle them.
This is where me and "preachers" come to battle...because you are no better than anyone posting here, so stop pretending you are.
Have a good weekend.
Not everyone will think as you think, that gives you no right what so ever to belittle them.
This is where me and "preachers" come to battle...because you are no better than anyone posting here, so stop pretending you are.
Have a good weekend.
Makes you wonder if he believes he actually is better than everyone else. It's a common thing with born again Christians, to believe that they possess the "truth" to everything in the universe.
I've seen this all before, innumerous times, here and offline as well, and it's always the same old arguements, and avoidance of actually answering direct questions with direct answers.
Then the belittling and ridicule begins, all because they can't have their way, and convince you that they do indeed know what they're talking about. Snide comments, back handed insults, and then in the end, name calling.
Whatever, just another mindless drone on a computer, it's when they show up at your front door that you have to worry. some of them really do believe all the crap they spew.
SoldierByte: well after the baby, when that darn lion started
talking to me I couldn't take it any more..
---SoldierByte---
talking to me I couldn't take it any more..
---SoldierByte---
The lion does the closing and says bye to all his master's friends and he says that he needs not to say any names because, his friends know who they are….otherwise ask to xpxxxpxxxx and he uses the language stressing Adios (good bye) but can be interpreted as
( A Dios = to God)
NCC1968: That is EXACTLY (part) of what I said and even though you know I said it you have no answer to give me. I well know of the "proof" that has been shown for a long time of the flood in the geological record, but it FAILS.As I said........come back when you are properly versed.The search for truth starts with an OPEN (undecided) mind.....and you don't have that. You just want to convince us and "win" somehow.
Aha, ok
Then we are agreed, debating each other will be futile. No hard feelings.
EriK_tg: Did you miss the way she spoke to me? She refused to understand me and kept insisting that I was making ignorant statements that I was not. I find that incredibly disrespectful and I will rebuke such behavior.
yeah, I'm back
I never refused to understand you, you chose to answer a reasonable question with , what I deemed to be a nonsensicle argument? If you are an 'omnipotent' being, as the bible suggests god is, then surely there should be some accountability for the actions of your 'flock'??.I just don't feel that the way to deal with it, by murdering them all, for 'his' failure to rear them well, is an acceptable action. I think killing all your offspring is an extremely 'direspectful' thing
kidatheart: Makes you wonder if he believes he actually is better than everyone else. It's a common thing with born again Christians, to believe that they possess the "truth" to everything in the universe.
I've seen this all before, innumerous times, here and offline as well, and it's always the same old arguements, and avoidance of actually answering direct questions with direct answers.
Then the belittling and ridicule begins, all because they can't have their way, and convince you that they do indeed know what they're talking about. Snide comments, back handed insults, and then in the end, name calling.
Whatever, just another mindless drone on a computer, it's when they show up at your front door that you have to worry. some of them really do believe all the crap they spew.
I've seen this all before, innumerous times, here and offline as well, and it's always the same old arguements, and avoidance of actually answering direct questions with direct answers.
Then the belittling and ridicule begins, all because they can't have their way, and convince you that they do indeed know what they're talking about. Snide comments, back handed insults, and then in the end, name calling.
Whatever, just another mindless drone on a computer, it's when they show up at your front door that you have to worry. some of them really do believe all the crap they spew.
Knock Knock..massive smile
"Isn't it a wonderful day"
Laden with pamphlets...
See yah!
very nicely said,unless I want to debate, hung over from the night before and NZ lost the rugby..
SS
kidatheart: I've seen this all before, innumerous times, here and offline as well, and it's always the same old arguements, and avoidance of actually answering direct questions with direct answers.
Feel free to give me a direct question anytime you're ready.
Speaking of belittling, here is what was in just your post:
kidatheart:
...they can't have their way...Snide comments, back handed insults, and then in the end, name calling.
Whatever, just another mindless drone on a computer....crap they spew.
...they can't have their way...Snide comments, back handed insults, and then in the end, name calling.
Whatever, just another mindless drone on a computer....crap they spew.
Please don't impose a double standard on me. Rest assured, I won't call names, but I will point out when you say something stupid. Like now.
NCC1968: In a debate you have to use what is agreed on as a valid reference. Saying something is in the bible does not work. I read Lord of the Rings....so Mordor must be a real place
Um, we are debating about the God of the Bible, correct? So to know what The God of the Bible thinks about something, it is appropriate to look in the Bible.
How does this not make sense?
Amity: As i have said...the reason for the responses are due to your own.
You have a right to express your believes...but do not belittle others there's.
You have a right to express your believes...but do not belittle others there's.
I would be thrilled if you could cite me, anywhere I might have belittled someone. I'll wait.
EriK_tg: Dear SoldierByte,
What did I do to make you this angry? It would help me greatly if you could quote me on the "crap" you mentioned in your second to last sentence.
If you want me to leave you alone, why are you coming to the thread I created and ranting at me? Rest assured, I have no intention of making you angry.
I'd appreciate it if your comments didn't include threats, but I'll ignore you as long as you don't direct anything at me. It would be impolite for me to not respond to you.
Cheers
~Erik
What did I do to make you this angry? It would help me greatly if you could quote me on the "crap" you mentioned in your second to last sentence.
If you want me to leave you alone, why are you coming to the thread I created and ranting at me? Rest assured, I have no intention of making you angry.
I'd appreciate it if your comments didn't include threats, but I'll ignore you as long as you don't direct anything at me. It would be impolite for me to not respond to you.
Cheers
~Erik
you think me "ignorant...
don't play innocent with me..
your post..
In response to: You were right to put "know" in quotes, because you've shown yourself to be quite ignorant. Borderline trolling at this point.
young man.. NO threats..
a promise.. and then I'll gloat,
I start with school, datehook up, dateinmn,
and continue from there,
shall I go on..??
LEAVE ME ALONE...
You do what YOU feel is appropiate..
like I said..
you think you're tuff..
I'm ready.. shall I start now..??
---SoldierByte---
EriK_tg: Feel free to give me a direct question anytime you're ready.Speaking of belittling, here is what was in just your post:
Please don't impose a double standard on me. Rest assured, I won't call names, but I will point out when you say something stupid. Like now.
Please don't impose a double standard on me. Rest assured, I won't call names, but I will point out when you say something stupid. Like now.
feel free to answer any of the ones you have been asked several times, when you're ready
jampet: yeah, I'm back I never refused to understand you, you chose to answer a reasonable question with , what I deemed to be a nonsensicle argument? If you are an 'omnipotent' being, as the bible suggests god is, then surely there should be some accountability for the actions of your 'flock'??
.I just don't feel that the way to deal with it, by murdering them all, for 'his' failure to rear them well, is an acceptable action. I think killing all your offspring is an extremely 'direspectful' thing
.I just don't feel that the way to deal with it, by murdering them all, for 'his' failure to rear them well, is an acceptable action. I think killing all your offspring is an extremely 'direspectful' thing
Question:
1. You do realize that from the Biblical perspective, if we got to live without God, as we told Him we wanted, we wouldn't exist at all?
2. Living at all is therefore a gift from God. When you die, you're just getting what you deserve.
These are things to think about.
jampet: yeah, I'm back I never refused to understand you, you chose to answer a reasonable question with , what I deemed to be a nonsensicle argument? If you are an 'omnipotent' being, as the bible suggests god is, then surely there should be some accountability for the actions of your 'flock'??
.I just don't feel that the way to deal with it, by murdering them all, for 'his' failure to rear them well, is an acceptable action. I think killing all your offspring is an extremely 'direspectful' thing
.I just don't feel that the way to deal with it, by murdering them all, for 'his' failure to rear them well, is an acceptable action. I think killing all your offspring is an extremely 'direspectful' thing
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