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The patriot act truth...and lies

I think you missed the point of the patriot act.

to kill the bill of rights...

Please read the bill of rights and you will see what I mean.

It is now the bill of right..... because only 1 bill still stands.

RE: impeach bush and cheney

Finally.. a thinker!
Bush and his entire cabinet should be up on charges for these crimes!
and there is more than enough proof if people would just read, study and understand what has been/ie happening.

But living our sheltered easy existence has blinded so many to the facts.

RE: Width???

The patriot act truth...and lies

Can you say Communist rule......

the patriot act makes the Bill of rights completely VOID!

I will be posting much more proof of this soon!!!

RE: Width???

I know people with bigger than 30" thighs!

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RE: impeach bush and cheney

Some complain that no proof is given,
then some complain when proof is given..

you must be a republican heart!

The patriot act truth...and lies

want to know the truth?
Will give more detail soon.
but do you realize any American can be detained indefinitely without any charges.
and the supreme court rulings are void if regards to the patriot act!









The president swore to Preserve,protect and Defend the constitution.
then threw it out the window.

RE: impeach bush and cheney

Constitutional questions aside, we have to ask ourselves quite simply whether it serves any national interest to invade Iraq. So often we lose sight of the true purpose of our military, which is to defend our borders against attack. Remember, Iraq has not initiated aggression against us. We, on the other hand, have bombed them, taunted them by flying military jets in their airspace, and starved them with economic sanctions- all for more than a decade. We haven't done these things out of humanitarian concern for Kuwait, we've done them because we want to protect our oil interests. Yet these actions have harmed the people of Iraq, not the Hussein regime. If anything, our policies serve to generate support for Hussein, who uses American aggression as a convenient scapegoat to deflect attention from his own oppression. Sadly, we've made him a martyr in Iraq and much of the wider Muslim world, alienating many otherwise pro-Western Iraqi moderates in the process. I question the wisdom, and the necessity, of once again traveling 6000 miles to pick a fight with a third-world Muslim nation that is simply not threatening us.

Congress should not allow any administration to take our nation to war without the consent of the people. I fear that we are about to embark on an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Iraq that is exceedingly unwise and fraught with unforeseen consequences. This war will have nothing to do with US national security or Iraqi aggression. It will, however, make us all less secure by antagonizing millions of Muslims who understand the necessity of our actions against Al-Queda, but who will object to an invasion of Iraq.

RE: impeach bush and cheney

Congress should not allow any administration to take our nation to war without the consent of the people. I fear that we are about to embark on an undeclared, unconstitutional war in Iraq that is exceedingly unwise and fraught with unforeseen consequences. This war will have nothing to do with US national security or Iraqi aggression. It will, however, make us all less secure by antagonizing millions of Muslims who understand the necessity of our actions against Al-Queda, but who will object to an invasion of Iraq.

by Ron Paul, Dr. March 4, 2002


With our military actions waning in Afghanistan, the administration appears to be gearing up for a second phase in the Middle East. Although the Al-Queda threat has not yet been fully neutralized, political and popular support for a full-scale war against Iraq is growing. The President explicitly named Iraq as a target in his State of the Union address, and British Prime Minister Blair recently stated his backing for such an invasion.

Yet I remain convinced we should be very cautious before we send troops and bombs into Iraq. It's simple to point out that Saddam Hussein is a ruthless dictator, but it's not so easy to demonstrate that he poses a threat to us. We should also remember that the congressional resolution passed immediately after September 11th, which I supported, authorized military force only against those directly responsible for the attacks- and there is no evidence whatsoever that Iraq played a role in those attacks. This leaves me with two serious concerns: first, the near-certainty that this coming war will be undeclared, and hence unconstitutional; and second, that such a war does not serve our best interests.

First and foremost, we must follow the Constitution and require that the President secure a congressional declaration of war before he proceeds against Iraq. Undeclared wars represent one of the greatest threats to our constitutional separation of powers over the last 50 years, beginning with our "police action" in Korea. This most sacred legislative function- the power to send our young people into harm's way- must be exercised by Congress alone, the body most directly connected to the electorate.

The undeclared wars waged by various Presidents during the last century represent a very serious usurpation of the legislative function, adding greatly to the rise of the "imperial Presidency" that we witnessed so clearly during the Clinton years. I'm always amazed that Congress is quite willing to simply give away one of its greatest powers, especially when it spends so much time otherwise trying to expand its powers by passing extra-constitutional legislation. The reason for this, I'm afraid, is Congress learned in Vietnam that wars sometimes go very badly, and few want to be on record as having voted for a war if they can avoid it. So despite all the talk in Congress of "supporting the President," nobody wants to really support him by doing the obvious and passing a declaration of war.

RE: impeach bush and cheney

by Ron Paul, Dr. December 26, 2005

December 26, 2005

Recent revelations that the National Security Agency has conducted broad surveillance of American citizens' emails and phone calls raise serious questions about the proper role of government in a free society. This is an important and healthy debate, one that too often goes ignored by Congress.

Public concerns about the misnamed Patriot Act are having an impact, as the Senate last week refused to reauthorize the bill for several years. Instead Congress will be back in Washington next month to consider many of the Act's most harmful provisions.



Of course most governments, including our own, cannot resist the temptation to spy on their citizens when it suits government purposes. But America is supposed to be different. We have a mechanism called the Constitution that is supposed to place limits on the power of the federal government. Why does the Constitution have an enumerated powers clause, if the government can do things wildly beyond those powers-- such as establish a domestic spying program? Why have a 4th Amendment, if it does not prohibit government from eavesdropping on phone calls without telling anyone?



We're told that September 11 th changed everything, that new government powers like the Patriot Act are necessary to thwart terrorism. But these are not the most dangerous times in American history, despite the self-flattery of our politicians and media. This is a nation that expelled the British, saw the White House burned to the ground in 1814, fought two world wars, and faced down the Soviet Union. September 11th does not justify ignoring the Constitution by creating broad new federal police powers. The rule of law is worthless if we ignore it whenever crises occur.



The administration assures us that domestic surveillance is done to protect us. But the crucial point is this: Government assurances are not good enough in a free society. The overwhelming burden must always be placed on government to justify any new encroachment on our liberty. Now that the emotions of September 11th have cooled, the American people are less willing to blindly accept terrorism as an excuse for expanding federal surveillance powers. Conservatives who support the Bush administration should remember that powers we give government today will not go away when future administrations take office.



Some Senators last week complained that the Patriot Act is misunderstood. But it's not the American public's fault nobody knows exactly what the Patriot Act does. The Act contains over 500 pages of detailed legalese, the full text of which was neither read nor made available to Congress in a reasonable time before it was voted on- which by itself should have convinced members to vote against it. Many of the surveillance powers authorized in the Act are not clearly defined and have not yet been tested. When they are tested, court challenges are sure to follow. It is precisely because we cannot predict how the Patriot Act will be interpreted and used in future decades that we should question it today.

Keywords: Government Surveillance, Terrorism

RE: impeach bush and cheney

Please go see the video by the artist: Pink- Dear Mr President!

Dear Mr. President
Come take a walk with me
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly

What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep
What do you feel when you look in the mirror
Are you proud

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why

Dear Mr. President
Were you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
How can you say
No child is left behind
We're not dumb and we're not blind
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell

What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
[these lyrics are found on ]
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eye

Let me tell you bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothin bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Ohhh

How do you sleep at night
How do you walk with your head held high
Dear Mr. President
You'd never take a walk with me
Would you

RE: On what happened in my relationship.

I would also be curious........ other than the MD card and gift..( that really don't count)

did any $$, good or services change hands?

RE: On what happened in my relationship.

RE: On what happened in my relationship.

RE: On what happened in my relationship.

It really bothered her that-
She was an older woman and he was a younger man.....

he always wondered,, where would it be............

does it belong in ,, this or that.........

it was really bugging him........

neither of them were on the- good guys or good ladies list.......

RE: shes a #$%&ing cow

Here.. chick.. chick... chick....

...........Here.. chick.. chick... chick....

Has anyone seen my chicken?

RE: RE: Does anyone know the REAL you???

Love this statement!

In the real world.. Everyone knows the real me, I have nothing to hide and like most. a few thing to be ashamed of.
But online.. I will not show all..but I also don't make up an imaginary me to please others.

RE: When you were a kid.......

Gollywog. ????
We were too poor for a barrel of monkeys.......
We had a ditch full of crawdads.

Sandbox was great (dam cats)

RE: Bad

Betrayal is seen differently also,
Some see it as a betrayal if you don't agree with them on most if not all issues.
I don't care how good of a friend someone is, we never agree on every issue.
unless we only agree in order to keep things quiet and peaceful.

I would rather others be able to ask me anything, knowing that they are going to get an HONEST answer. Not just what they want to hear.

RE: Bad

I don't much agree with this comment,
I know a heck of a lot of people that think they are good but in fact couldn't be much further from it.

But also know some people that think they are bad but are not.

But is so complicated...
Is the mass opinion of an ever changing society and moral condition make it necessarily good or bad?

RE: Wonderful Men

I must ask.. what about a man that you are not thinking of as being a partner?
most women are describing an ideal partner.

are there things that can make a wonderful man yet not dating material?

RE: Court Rules In Favor Of 2nd Amendment Gun Right

I dare you to preach that on a street corner without a handgun!

RE: Court Rules In Favor Of 2nd Amendment Gun Right

Know it.. sold most of mine to

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

What if I wear a shower cap!

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

Wouldn't it be more important to know when I last washed it?

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

Which hair?

you can tell in the picture, I keep it like that.

RE: Court Rules In Favor Of 2nd Amendment Gun Right

Almost right.
Yes you can walk out with it , same as here.
but the shop still sends in the registration forms.
So the gun is still registered to you.

The only way it might not be is if you buy one from an individual.

I also have the permit, and I think everyone owning a handgun should have to take the safety classes.

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

Damn it,, typos

I meant yikes!

That really don't sound good.

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

Holy cow! you don't want a picture of me 10 minutes ago....... I was just getting out of the shower... YOKES

RE: Approximately, what date was the latest picture in your profile taken?

OK fixed. main photo 4 months old.
unfortunately the person in it is almost 47 years old