RE: Just wondering (Women)

Same here.

Also, dates will go wrong when they are not the right one for you.
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RE: What do u expect to get on ur first date??

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RE: What do u expect to get on ur first date??

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RE: A baby???

This is Wonderful. I am so Happy For You! Congratulations!!!!!!!

Be Sure to let us know when the Baby is Born and What you name Her/Him!!!!!!!
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RE: So why do alot of women..

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RE: Cutest Kitty ever...

Oh I Love this!!

RE: What do u expect to get on ur first date??

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RE: 'The Answer is 1776'

We have many freedoms. The Veterans gave their lives so we could have these freedoms.

I am hndicaped and I have the right to live and function in "Normal Society" Many handicaped in other countries don't.

We have the right to Vote. To choose our own Political Parties.

We still have the right to defend ourselves, many other peoples do not.

We have the right to Believe in G-d as we choose or Not.

The List is endless.

Yes, there are things and policies made by past Presidents or Parties that should never have been made. There will be more in the future by this Administration and Future Administrations... Such is life.

We can criticize our Government without worrying about our homes being raided in the middle of the night and then we disappear, as often happens under Dictatorships.

Also as Women, we have many rights in this country that our Human Sisters in other countries do not. We do not have to be Property of our Husbands.

I for one am very grateful to live here in America, The Home of the Free and the Brave.
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RE: Should Extreme Makeover Home Edition

Should be Debt. doh doh doh doh

RE: Should Extreme Makeover Home Edition

I concur.

Also, I have seen a few shows where, I felt the house could have been upgraded and renovated. There were a few that, I would have been proud to have that they razed. Mind boggling.

I would rather have something safe and comfortable that I could AFFORD, rather thatn Lavish and debd drowning.

They should also have given Financial Counceling, IMHO.
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RE: 'The Answer is 1776'

It has?

Perhaps for some, it is b/c some Presidents have lied to us to get us to invest in a War.

For others, the sacrifices to ensure future Generations have freedom, the fire is far from cold.
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RE: it is hard to be a gemini

I love being a Pisces.

We can really swim deep when threatened. So deep that neither the Crab nor Scorpion can follow to the depths we are able to tolerate.

And the bright side, while we are down there, the sunlight makes both Rainbows and protective Darkness for those of our loved ones looking down at us.

I think many are envious they can't join us.yay yay grin

RE: Everybody wins with US-Healthcare reform~Except the Patients!

Yeah, but how are many of us going to pay the PAST due balances for care under the old system?

After many needed Surgeries, I and many others have have bills we will never beable to pay. This means No credit, etc.

I fought for my life and I got the same rap as a person that ran up credit cards that he would never be able to payback.

You would think there would be a way to separate the two situations - Nope. No such luck,
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RE: Hey yall!!!!!!

Thank G-d. I am happy for you.hug hug

RE: Athiest's blieve



Eve was not the only one.

Adam was too.

He turned it all back on G-d when God asked Why, They disobeyed. He said to G-d "The Woman You gave to me made me do it".



As Rabbi Lieber said "Men, We've been passing the Buck ever since!"

Rabbi IS a Messianic Jew. This means we believe in the same Messiah as the Christians.
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RE: Sabath day?

Um, I am Sorry but this is not correct. The orignal Sabbath established by G-d IS Saturday, not Sunday.

The Catholic Church changed the original day of Worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Also, this is from Wikipedia, The order of the days of the week are:


Numbered weekdays influenced by Abrahamic Religions: Weekdays numbered from Sunday: See also: Feria:

For the majority of the Abrahamic religions the first day of the week is Sunday. Biblical Sabbath (originally corresponding to Saturday), when God rested from six-day Creation, made the day following Sabbath the first day of the week (corresponding to Sunday).

Seventh-day Sabbaths were sanctified for celebration and rest. After the week was adopted in early Christian Europe, Sunday remained the first day of the week, but also gradually displaced Saturday as the day of celebration and rest, being considered the Lord's Day.


Day, (see Irregularities):

Sunday, First Day
Monday, Second Day
Tuesday, Third Day
Wednesday, Fourth Day
Thursday, Fifth Day
Friday, Sixth Day
Saturday, Seventh Day

As, several of Us have said in previous posts, The Sabbath has always been from when G-d created it, From Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday.

G-od created the Night first then the Day. Sundown to Sundown = One Day.
Google the days of the week, all History will tell you that Sunday is the first day of the week and Saturday is the Sabbath Day - The Day of Rest.

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RE: Sabath day?

Um, actually, Sunday is not the 7th day. It is the 1st day.

RE: How many CS members enjoy riding motorcycles

Thanks. I appreciate both of your encouragement.

Now, Anybody have advice for finding Class for Deaf Woman, (me) to learn to Ride a bike?
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RE: Sabath day?

(13) Conclusion
By God's grace Christians are saved through our Lord Jesus Christ. Christians are to live their lives in such a manner which is pleasing to God, and to show others about Jesus Christ through example and lifestyle. Jesus Christ warned about listening to preachers who use His name, but in actual fact are leading people into errors and false practices. The practice of worshipping God on Sunday instead of on the Sabbath day is just such a deception. This deception has been forcefully and purposefully taught as truth by the bishops of Rome for over 1600 years. The other side of the issue, telling the side of the other Christian Bishops who refused to go along with Sunday worship, has not been taught. Today, most people are completely unaware that Sunday worship has no basis in scripture, that it was rejected by most of the early church leaders, that the numerous denomination's leaders know this, and that its observance is a proof-example of the authority of the Catholic Church.

In contrast, the Sabbath day is the memorial of God's creation. It represents the day of the Creator, in contrast to the day of the sun-god. To worship God and Jesus Christ on the Sabbath day, the only day God has set aside as being sacred time, recognizes that God is the authority on earth, not men, and not a Church.

May the sovereign Creator of the universe grant you grace through His Son Jesus Christ, and lead you into a more rewarding Christian lifestyle.


(This article [originally © July 4,1992] is part of the author's ongoing research titled "Christian Technical Notes.") Wayne Atchison is also the author of The Seventh Circle in Bible Prophecy (Vantage Press, New York). Wayne and family reside in Bend, Oregon. Comments are welcome:z2cs@bendnet.com.

TSS

January - February 2001_ The Sabbath Sentinel [/

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LUTHERAN: Sabbath day worship practiced by early church. "We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both." (The Sunday Problem (1923 ed.), a study book of the United Lutheran Churches, p. 36).

Sunday worship has always been a human tradition. "The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect; far from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday." (The History of the Christian Religion and Church, Dr. Augustus Neander, p. 186).

METHODIST: Other non-biblical practices are excused because of worshipping on Sunday. "It is true there is no positive command for infant baptism ... Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week." (Methodist Episcopal Theological Compend, by Amos Binney, pp. 180, 181).

Today many Protestant denominations attempt to use isolated scriptures and logic to "prove" that Sunday is now the Christian's day of worship. However, their attempts are baseless. The leaders of the Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations know that there is not one scripture in the Bible which gives God's permission to worship Him on any other day except on the Sabbath day. This single fact reduces all of their spiritual sounding logic and quotations of isolated scriptures into the domain of "human reasoning." Men are not a Christian's authority, and neither is a Church.

(12) Sabbath Day Worship And Christian Salvation
There is no doubt, historically or biblically, that God intends for Christians to worship Him and His son Jesus Christ on the Sabbath day, which is Saturday by our Roman calendar. But what about the millions of Christians which are not doing this, and worshipping Jesus Christ on Sunday? To ask the question in the language of most Protestant denominations, "Is Sabbath keeping required for salvation?" The answer is no, it is not required for salvation.

Salvation is given to a Christian by God's own sovereign choice. Salvation is given as a gift, and is made possible through the righteousness of Jesus the risen Christ. The individual's own righteousness does not obligate God to give them salvation. There is nothing that a Christian can do, or not do, which will obligate God to grant His gift of salvation. No "work" or combination of "works" can buy salvation. Therefore, keeping the Sabbath will not earn salvation, and for those millions of Christians who are not keeping the Sabbath, that practice will not cause them to lose salvation.

What then does Sabbath keeping gain a Christian? The answer is rewards. Once a Christian is given salvation, they are then given rewards by Jesus Christ. The amount of reward given is based upon their works. When discussing subjects like the Sabbath, or any other topic dealing with Christian conduct, a Christian's salvation is not at issue, but the amount of reward that may be received is the reason for discussion.

Since very few modern denominations actively teach about this distinction between gaining salvation and receiving rewards, here are a few scriptures which describe this distinction: Please read 1Corinthians 3:6-17, 1John 3:4-7, Colossians 3:24-25, Luke 19:15-19, and Revelation 2:23.


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BAPTISTS: The transfer of Sabbath to Sunday worship is not biblical. "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but the Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will, however, be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the Seventh to the First day of the week ... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament, absolutely not." (Paper read Aug. 20, 1893, by Dr. Edward T. Hiscox (Baptist), at a Baptist ministers' meeting at Saratoga, New York).

"The Lord's Day is not sanctified by any specific command or by any inevitable inference. In all the New Testament there is no hint or suggestion of a legal obligation binding any man, whether saint or sinner, to observe the Day. Its sanctity arises only out of what it means to the true believer." (J. J. Taylor (Baptist), The Sabbatic Question, p. 72).

CONGREGATIONALIST: Sunday worship is not the same thing as Sabbath worship. "It is quite clear that, however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath ... The Sabbath was founded on a specific, Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday ... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday." (Dr. R. W. Dale (British Congregationalist): The Ten Commandments, pp. 127-129).

Sunday worship is not biblical, and was not originally called the Christian Sabbath. "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scripture, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath." (Timothy Dwight's Theology (American Congregationalist) says: Sermon 107 (1818 ed.), vol. 4, p. 49).

DISCIPLES OF CHRIST: Sabbath day worship could never have been changed to first day worship. "'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.' Where? when? and by whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless Creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed !" "It is all old wives' fables to talk of the change of the sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws 'ex officio' I think his name is Doctor Antichrist." (Alexander Campbell (the founder of the Disciples of Christ); The Christian Baptist, Feb. 1, 1824, vol. 1, no. 7).

"The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change." (First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19).


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(11) Protestant Church Confessions
"The extracts that follow are from noted clergymen, scholars and other eminent writers, all of whom doubtless kept the Sunday as a matter of church custom. But they nevertheless bear witness that there is no Bible command for it." (The Bible Sabbath Association ). Take special notice of the dates of the quotations, this subject is not new, and was never hidden.

ANGLICAN: Sunday worship is not biblical, it is tradition.

"And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day ... The reasons why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because of the Bible, but because the church, has enjoined it." (Isaac Williams (Anglican), Plain Sermons on the Catechism, vol. 1, pp. 334, 336).

Sunday worship is not practicing the forth commandment, it is tradition.

"The Lord's day was merely of ecclesiastical institution. It was not introduced by virtue of the fourth commandment." (Jeremy Taylor (Church of England), Ductor Dubitantium, part 1, book 2, chap. 2, rule 6, secs. 51, 59 (1850 ed.), vol. 9, pp. 458, 464).

Early Christians worshipped on the Sabbath. "The Primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the Day in Devotion and Sermons. And 'tis not to be doubted but they derived this Practice from the Apostles themselves." (A Discourse in Six Dialogues on the Name, Notion, and Observation of the Lord's Day, p. 189).


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RE: Sabath day?

"Everyone knows that Sunday is the first day of the week, while Saturday is the seventh day, and the Sabbath, the day consecrated as a day of rest. It is so recognized in all civilized nations. I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to any one who will furnish any proof from the Bible that Sunday is the day we are abound to keep, and no one has called for the money."

"If any person in this town will show any scripture for it, I will tomorrow evening publicly acknowledge it and thank him for it. It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, A.D. 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the seventh day under penalty of anathema."

"Which church does the whole civilized world obey? Protestants call us every horrible name they can think of, anti-Christ, the scarlet colored beast, Babylon, etc. and at the same time profess great reverence for the Bible, and yet by their solemn act of keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the power of the Catholic Church."

"The Bible says: 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' But the Catholic Church says, 'No, keep the first day of the week,' and the whole world bows in obedience." (Father T. Enright, Roman Catholic Priest, Kansas City, MO.).

"Incidentally, there is no proof in scripture that God willed the Sabbath to be changed from Saturday to Sunday, so that those non-Catholics who do not accept the value of tradition as a source of faith, should logically still observe Saturday as the Sabbath." (This Is The Faith: Catholic Theology For Laymen, Francis J. Ripley, p. 176).

Notice again the certainty that each quote has. There is no mistaking the truth. Each quote boldly teaches that the holy scriptures do not allow for Sunday worship by Christians. Rather, the practice is solely based upon the authority of the Catholic Church. Protestant denominations which keep Sunday, and say they are not under Catholic authority, are fooling no one but themselves.

RE: Sabath day?

Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is not entirely abandoned.

"It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days, as holy days." (Vincent J. Kelly (Catholic), Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations (1943 ed.), p. 2).

The Catholic Church claims to have the authority of God to change the day of worship. It says the same thing about Purgatory, and by extension to all doctrines. How many Protestant Christians are willing to submit without question to the Catholic Church to determine what they believe as doctrine? A national-poll does not need to be taken, just consider how Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) obey the Catholic Church on the issues of Birth Control, praying to Mary, and Confessionals. These doctrines also "have the authority of God," being claimed by the Catholic Church. Perhaps the real issue is not who claims to have God\'92s authority, but rather in believing the scriptures which absolutely has God's authority, letting the word of God decide these matters. The word of God tells His followers to worship Him on His day of worship, the Sabbath."Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies {appears ridiculous} them in the eyes of every thinking man.

We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.

We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventist denomination is the only major Protestant denomination that reasons correctly and is consistent with its teaching. It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

(Father Peter R. Kraemer Catholic Church Extension Society, Chicago, IL.)


"My brethren, look about you upon the various wrangling sects and denominations. Show me one that claims or possesses the power to make laws binding on the conscience. There's but one on the face of the earth, the Catholic Church, that has the power to make laws binding upon the conscience, binding before God, binding under pain of hell fire. Take, for instance, the day we celebrate Sunday. What right have the Protestant churches to observe that day? None whatever. You say it is to obey the commandment, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' But Sunday is not the Sabbath, according to the Bible and the record of time."

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RE: Sabath day?

Um, Sorry but no. This is not accurate. Accoding to my
Rabbi, the reason Worship was changed to Sunday by the Christian Churches was to distance themselves from the Jews.

He explained this to a group of us when it cam up @ Bible Study. We are Messianic Jews, btw. Remeber the first believers were Jews.

Also, it was originally on order Of the Pope of the Catholic Church, see the Following:



The Catholic Church, ... by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday." (The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

color=indigo]Notice that the Catholic Church admits that they changed the day of worship to Sunday, not God, or the Bible, or early Christian writings. Worshipping Jesus Christ on Sunday is a Roman Catholic tradition, not a Biblically sanctified practice. This tradition is the primary sign of being under their authority.

"Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible and the 10 Commandments? I answer yes.
Is Sunday the first day of the week, and did the Church change the 7th day Saturday for Sunday, the 1st day? I answer yes.
Did Christ change the day? I answer no!
Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons." (James Cardinal Gibbons autograph letter).

Most scholars of the Bible and denomination leaders will admit that the practice of Christian Sunday worship is a tradition, not instituted by Jesus Christ, or prescribed in the New Testament.

"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
(Peter Geiermann, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1946 ed.), p. 50. (Geiermann received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius X in his labors Jan. 25, 1910).

The Catholic Catechism teaches its students the truth about Sunday worship and the Sabbath day. Why is it that most Protestant Christians are never taught these facts? Because to teach them would mean that the Protestant denomination would be admitting that they derive their own traditions and authority straight from the Catholic Church, not the Bible.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." (James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp. 72, 73).

"Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday. The fact is that the Church was in existence for several centuries before the Bible was given to the world. The Church made the Bible, the Bible did not make the Church."

"Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."
(Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927 ed.), p. 136).

RE: Please help me to cheer up my friend Katani

Katie, My Heartfelt well wishes to you Girl. I miss you, your friend Cyndie.hug comfort comfort comfort hug hug comfort comfort sad flower bouquet

RE: happy eid Aludha

Happy Eid Aludha to all my Muslim Friends.handshake hug

RE: Question Anyone Got An Answer?


True. I ended up with Braces as an Adult, due to this. My Teeth looked perfect. Yet I had bad headaches and my Jaw always locked and clicked, very painful.

One line of my teeth was off. and this caused a hole to wear in my Jawbone from the constant grinding to try and line up with the other three lines of teeth.

Your Child shopould be wached by a Orthodontist.

My Orthodontist told me if I had gotten Braces when I was at least 10 yrs old much of this could have been avoided.
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RE: How many CS members enjoy riding motorcycles

I always LOVED riding thr Bike with my Late Husband.

I plan to learn to ride and own one for myself.

For me it is always Helmets please.
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RE: do you ever feel lonely at night

Yes, but then when my Dogs lick my Face or my Cats push against me Purring, I am Comforted.

I would like to Someday remarry but I will never forget the Comfort that my FurBabies have given me.
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