It's not that I want get hung up on the issue of wealth, it's just that people need to recognise that there are useless, wastes of space on both sides of the fence - and adopt views that allow for this.
I just can't stress enough how important it is for us to drop this silly factionalism that's leading us to nowhere but the grave.
I can only appeal to your sense of realism here. It may seem a nice idea to organise the entire World, raise their standards to ours - depose every tyrant, educate every savage.
But, how is this possible?
Can we afford to focus upon them when our own house is in such disarray?
Does history not show us what happens to these attempts at a Global Socialist utopia?
And when I go out canvassing for votes, am I to tell workers in Manchester that they have to wait for jobs until Socialism comes to Timbuktu?
No, I come from a single parent background and both my parents are working class.
There's no denying that working class conditions, and everyone elses, have been softer than any point in history. Could you really compare your life to those of workers in the Victorian era? Or those in the hungry thirties, or of those who fought in either of the Wars? No.
Nothing blinkered in my views. You don't realise just how bad our position is today, but you soon will.
As for the last fifty years, the average Westerner has never had it so easy. For a long time we've been used to things getting better year after year - hence the altruism and charity - those days are over, mark my words.
We can't even organise our own nation successfully, to believe we should administrate the entire World is insane in my opinion.
But this is what has changed between your generation and mine, your generation inherited lots of wealth from our ancestors and so, out of pity for the less well off across the World, developed altruistic attitudes. My generation inherits the mess that this has created. So we have to develop survivor politics simply because in the future it will be Western children dying of malnutrition and not just the children in Africa. We have to put our own people first.
I know, i'm one of them. One of the first things I said on the thread was that the aspirational working class are often my favourite people, and I do dislike those whom have worked half as hard as me to reach the same place.
But you know, I didn't think you were wrong per se. To some inverse snobbery is just envy.
Of course there will always be service sector jobs, but today there are too many of them, and not enough manual jobs. This is why China is wiping the floor with us and why your children face the bleakest future in 100 years, it is also why millions are losing their jobs at the moment and why our nations are bankrupt.
And, aside from the reality of today, I think many young people would actually prefer to work in a factory before working in Mcdonalds.
Was good enough for my Dad and his Dad before him, and if I was on my death bed looking back on my life's work I don't think I could find anything more shameful than a life spent flipping burgers.
If i'd not studied as hard as I did when I was younger, i'd be grateful for a real job like that.
To be honest, it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things even if you can make management level - and even still it's fatuous to suggest that many can do this - as those drawing higher wages from a non-productive industry are even more of a parasite than the grunts.
All of our national efforts need to be engaged in pursuing production and not consumption, we need to reverse a near lifetime of failed thinking that is the root cause of all our economic woes of today. It worries me to see the same attitude that has done more damage than any other in history still persisting even today.
Do you really think tax money needs to spent on training people to serve burgers? Is the average person really that spasticated to even need anything more than an hours in-house training to perform a job at Maccie D's?
And it's not snobbery to know that if we train the youth to serve burgers we'll soon see our economy completely ruined.
We don't need fast food joints and useless jobs such as in telesales, instead we need car plants, factories, mines and steelworks. We need to take back the real industries that built both ours countries. The youth needs honest work and proud labour that also doesn't require a degree.
I guess I'll always see the decent side of the working class as good people, and I'll always see a side of the middle class as do-goody-goody people - this skin deep altruism is completely alien from my background, so i'm suspicious of that type of person.
I don't tend to care how educated, rich or succesful one is. However, anybody who was privately educated or has had some sort of gilded youth I tend to avoid as if they were a plague - not with every person mind you, but I generally find them nauseating, unserious and unwise to the World.
More than likely I see things this way because my favourite people are generally the aspirational Working Class. The only "elite" in my opinion can be those who tore themselves from nothing.
I hate multi-culti too, but there's no doubt in my mind that we'll end up going too far the other way as the result of this backlash. From one extreme to the other, it's the story of Mankind.
Naaa, the "chavs" were particularly nasty long before the recession. The British underclass has been that little bit worse than in other first world nations, and it's been this way for some time.
The only explanation can be our socio-cultural attitudes. The fact that we have the most Liberals schools, police and parents in the entire World must relate to why we have the least sense of discipline and respect for authority.
And what the Liberal middle-classes can never understand is that the bottom of society needs something to fear, if that fear does not come from the order of state then the bottom loses all respect for the state and descends into rudderless and anarchic criminality.
This is simply because the only "macho" role model they see in life is the Gangster and the genuine criminal - they then begin to imitate this behaviour until it becomes the social norm, from this position they regard the mainstream as pathetic and cowardly(on which they are not mistaken).
I can't help but wonder which foreign company the government will draft in for the job of rebuilding.
After all, we pay the ethnics to come in to our country to burn and smash down our capital, why not pay them twice for the privilege of putting it back up again?
Unemployment, poverty, hopelessness, these are issues that don't just effect Black and Asian youths. So why then is there such a glaring absence of White faces(even Jews)in these riots if the explanation for it were purely economic?
It would be ironic if it were to be the EDL or some other Nationalist group that comes to the protection of polite society if the police can't hold back the ethnic hordes of common criminality.
Sorry to hear that, mate. You'll be alright, if you can put up with this much you can put up with anything. You got any leads on getting a job? Looks like that's where you need to get started,
I don't see why you resign yourself to more debt when how the state works now is as inefficient and unproductive as it is. The state could and should be able to achieve so much more with the amount of money we throw at it already.
State incompetence will only grow if we allow it to continue. If you really wanted to help the people themselves, then I think you should be calling for the broadscale-sacking of the state bureaucracy, and redirecting resources towards start-up grants, conscripted public works and forming a front-focused state that actually helps people instead of just taxing them. A state that makes a people more productive instead of less productive.
As for Commi or Capitalist, I say neither. I agree with the concept of the mixed economies we have now, in principle.
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RE: Social Snobbery
Thank you.It's not that I want get hung up on the issue of wealth, it's just that people need to recognise that there are useless, wastes of space on both sides of the fence - and adopt views that allow for this.
I just can't stress enough how important it is for us to drop this silly factionalism that's leading us to nowhere but the grave.