Return to sender

Seems whilst we've been talking about the return of the ISIS bride this is just the tip of the iceberg wow a tweet from President Trump -
“the caliphate is ready to fall. The United States is asking Britain, France, Germany and other European allies to take back over 800 ISIS fighters that we captured in Syria and put them on trial. “The alternative is not a good one in that we will be forced to release them.”

He then went on to say “The U.S. does not want to watch as these ISIS fighters permeate Europe, which is where they are expected to go. We do so much, and spend so much - Time for others to step up and do the job that they are so capable of doing. We are pulling back after 100% caliphate victory!”

In the west we've got used to putting our rubbish in bins & leaving it to someone else to deal with, looks like we're about to get it back professor
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Jac- under no stress at all. In a nut shell its called "PAYBACK." Or for people that still can't comprehend - what comes around goes around.
She was a British citizen and therefore should have been brought back...and closely monitored,if not for her sake then the sake of the baby
Deal with yer own messes and let other countries do the same....

Why and how was It possible for a 15 year old to leave this country so easily and readily??

Why not hold yer head in shame that ye as a nation allowed that to happen so easily.....but now feign disgust that she wants back in.

Yes Niceguy you reap what you sow indeed....the British nation should reap what they sow....in allowing a child who wasnt legally able to drive, up sticks and leave to join ISIS in the blink of an eye.
Well actually there are about a half dozen of those ISIS/Daesh volunteer brides still around and identified. England has a few, so do we. Obama was willing to ignore US law and let the ones from America back in, Trump instead does as Congress intended when they wrote Title 8 of the US Code. Side with an enemy, join a foreign military or movement, lose your citizenship and face consequences. The absolute best the one from Albama should be hoping for should she be dumb enough to persist in getting an entry visa is a trial for Sedition and a 30 year term. Treason is a more likely charge with execution or life imprisonment (with no access to her kid) also highly likely. Unless of course if some socialist Democrat wins the 2020 election.

I think prior military service under arms should be a requirement before seeking any elected position afterwards, but I am not King so that may never happen.
https://academic.oup.com/ejil/article/24/3/819/481622
Len, that very well sums up there situation before they left & why nobody in there right mind would want the back thumbs up
Art, fact of life that you're always going to get the keyboard warriors who weren't there but think they have the right to judge, there is the same in the UK where they pressure the government into hounding ex-servicemen who served in Northern Ireland, some now in there 80's and still under the threat of court action today very mad
Dee, "Why and how was It possible for a 15 year old to leave this country so easily and readily??
Why not hold yer head in shame that ye as a nation allowed that to happen so easily.....but now feign disgust that she wants back in."

The simple answer to that is the UK is a free country, the 3 girls left the UK on a holiday to Turkey, they'd left before the authorities were alerted to what they were doing, from Turkey they crossed the border into Syria, some others were stopped either in the UK or in Turkey, but the UK can not imo be held accountable for what people do on holidays abroad.
I assure you the disgust isn't feigned.
If there is a difference between the legal code of conduct of war and what actually happens in situ, don't you think something should be reviewed, Z?

Or do we just shrug our shoulders and say that combatants can do as they please, including chopping people's heads off?
There have been a few developments since yesterday on Shamima Begum -

" members of the runaway schoolgirl’s local community have warned not to “trust her”, claiming that she could radicalise others. Moulana Abdul Malik, an iman at the Baitul Aman mosque near where Ms Begum grew up, said he supported the Home Secretary."



A petition on the government web site started last year (“ban all ISIS members from returning to the UK") and had enough support for a government response has now taken off & as of last night had over half a million votes so is now going to be debated in the house shortly.

Z,
Don't know if this story is true or not but I heard that 'Executive Outcomes', military contractors, held a vicious rebel movement at bay for two years with only 120 men, in Sierra Leone. After international pressure, they were replaced by 15,000 UN ( fifteen thousand ) peacekeepers, many many of whom the rebels promptly kidnapped or killed, causing their mission to be aborted. During those 2 years many lives were saved, mainly mutilated children, whose limbs were hacked off so preventing them to use a fire arm etc. in the future.
Why I'm mentioning this is there mere fact that most rebels have no respect for any rules or peace treaty's laid down by pacifists. They will only comply until they have regrouped and strengthened reserves. Then attack again.
Many innocent blue berets died unnecessarily.
Maybe this comment is irrelevant to your blog.dunno
Red, at least in conventional warfare it's the governments that should carry the can, they initiate war (on our behalf) therefore if it's not done as we want it we can replace them, blaming troops under fire is not imo the way forward and will lead to either the troops being shot as they dare not fire back, or an army with no soldiers as who in there mind would join a service where you could be hounded for the rest of your life, just for doing a job you're paid for doh
I can't see a simple solution to drone warfare, whilst remote control attacks do cause civilian loss of life would sending in live troops save any lives or amount to more deaths dunno
Agree zman with all points raised believe me on that one.

I do remember my son going to Iraqi war. I marched against this war,
I did not believe Tony Blair to be honourable. My other son nearly fell out with me, marching against something his brother was in.
I had to explain, I was not against soldiers, but against men who sent our boys there. All very sad leaves one with much to think about that's all even after all this time.blues
Yep and he earns thousands going around the globe talking about peace doh

All this and much more can make me quite morose at times BUT I'm lucky I keep moving scold nope not that moving grin moving on .
Take care zman blogs can sometimes drag us back not forward.

By the way your not old enough grin to get heating allowance laugh I had a peek at your age teddybear
Red, how old do I need to be to feel the cold (according to our centrally heated government) dunno took the pension office 5 months to consider my pension application, which being 23 pages long is probably the time it took them to read it laugh it was longer than the EU blog rolling on the floor laughing
Luke, May was the UK home secretary before becoming PM, she made a lot of speeches back then about how tough she was on immigration, the figures showed a different story, then she made speeches about how no deal was better than a bad deal, her actions speak differently, she alsosaid she would stop ex servicemen being hounded, the facts say differently, far as I know (article about 2 weeks ago) they're still being hounded, I didn't title my other blog Treason May for no reason very mad
The new governments world wide depend on a 'meek' flock of sheep. Nothing should go against the grain, as that upsets long term planning.laugh
Luke, I bet they all blame the Americans...........for inventing the internet laugh the EU would have buried it given half a chance, having people able to criticise them is against EU policy laugh
Red, I agree but the problem is they have to go somewhere, and I can't see anyone else collecting our rubbish sigh this problem is as unsolvable as the Irish backstop confused
By the way this tablet jumbles up my tapping laugh laugh but you can read me okay teddybear
Red, yes quite warm here today, too much for anything more than a T shirt in the sun dancing
These guys has operate their bloody inhuman cruelty in Syria, so I think Assad could be a good option to take care of them.....isn't it normal to punish criminals, by the laws of the Country, where the crimes have been done......just turn them all over to him and we don't need to think about that problem anymore.
Zmountain, yes, I thought you knew I was writing about the currently fashionable to the media woman from America. Actually America has about 25 females in Syria / Iraq who went there in search of belonging to ISIS husbands. May they rot in the camps forever. France and Germany and a dozen other places have females there too. I see no reason to give any of them Visas to return home. Literally, they made their bed, now let them sleep in it forever.
Bekard, that thought has a lot of appeal laugh
Ken, yes I knew you were talking about yours but it's not often that yours appear in our news over here.
Saddens me to see what's become of the UK moping also angry that I have to share air with people like this very mad
This incident happened in Woodbrige, which was home to a USAF base & is now a British Army base, I have actually stayed on the base & thought at the time some of the locals were from a different planet.

Zmountainman, I know the island you was looking good earlier in your comments: Robben Island nearby Cape Town, South Africa,, plenty sharks around it ;))peace
platosha, sounds a bit warm & sunny to me, a bit closer to Antarctica might be better but I like your thinking laugh
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