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Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over his attempts to overturn his loss in the state of Georgia, report says
Alia Shoaib and John L. Dorman
Donald Trump could be charged with crimes over Georgia election interference, a new report says.
The report says Trump and his allies pressured Georgia officials to overturn his loss in the state.
Trump is facing several probes in relation to his postelection conduct in Georgia.
Former President Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over election interference in Georgia, a new analysis says.
The report by the Brookings Institution, a leading think tank in Washington, DC, analyzed publicly available evidence which showed that Trump and his allies attempted to pressure Georgia officials to "change the lawful outcome of the election."
A key piece of evidence is the now-infamous call made by Trump to Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on January 3, where the former president told him to "find 11,780 votes" to overturn now-President Joe Biden's victory in the state.
"There's no way I lost Georgia," Trump repeatedly said throughout the call. "There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes."
Those assertions were false, as Biden won the state by nearly 12,000 votes, becoming the first Democratic presidential nominee to carry the longtime Republican stronghold since 1992.
The report added that Trump publicly pressured and personally contacted several other Republican officials in Georgia to ask for their help in overturning his electoral loss in the state, including Gov. Brian Kemp and Attorney General Chris Carr. Trump reportedly placed direct calls to the officials in December to urge them to go along with "his increasingly desperate plans to decertify his loss."
"We conclude that Trump's postelection conduct in Georgia leaves him at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes," the report said. "These charges potentially include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud; intentional interference with performance of election duties; conspiracy to commit election fraud; criminal solicitation; and state RICO violations."
The report also added that criminal liability could extend to some Trump allies, including his former personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani appeared before committees in the Georgia Capitol with the intent of convincing state lawmakers to "take extraordinary action to reverse Biden's win," the report notes.
In February, Raffensperger's office opened a probe into Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the state.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis also launched a criminal investigation into Trump's conduct related to the election.
The Brookings Institution report analyzed these probes and suggests the crimes that Trump could be charged with, along with his legal defenses.
The report suggests that Trump would likely claim immunity, arguing that he cannot be prosecuted for actions taken while he was in office.
Former presidents enjoy a measure of immunity for actions taken that "fall within the scope of their lawful duties as a federal official," according to the report.
However, in this case, Trump's actions were "well outside the scope of his official duties," the report noted.
For months, Trump has continued to promote debunked claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent, speaking of ballots coming from ceilings and pushing for forensic vote audits in closely-contested states like Arizona and Wisconsin.
The former president is currently facing several criminal probes over his conduct while in office, as well as his personal finances.
Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over his attempts to overturn his loss in the state of Georgia, report says
Alia Shoaib and John L. Dorman
Donald Trump could be charged with crimes over Georgia election interference, a new report says.
The report says Trump and his allies pressured Georgia officials to overturn his loss in the state.
Trump is facing several probes in relation to his postelection conduct in Georgia.
Former President Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over election interference in Georgia, a new analysis says.
The report by the Brookings Institution, a leading think tank in Washington, DC, analyzed publicly available evidence which showed that Trump and his allies attempted to pressure Georgia officials to "change the lawful outcome of the election."
A key piece of evidence is the now-infamous call made by Trump to Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on January 3, where the former president told him to "find 11,780 votes" to overturn now-President Joe Biden's victory in the state.
"There's no way I lost Georgia," Trump repeatedly said throughout the call. "There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes."
Those assertions were false, as Biden won the state by nearly 12,000 votes, becoming the first Democratic presidential nominee to carry the longtime Republican stronghold since 1992.
The report added that Trump publicly pressured and personally contacted several other Republican officials in Georgia to ask for their help in overturning his electoral loss in the state, including Gov. Brian Kemp and Attorney General Chris Carr. Trump reportedly placed direct calls to the officials in December to urge them to go along with "his increasingly desperate plans to decertify his loss."
"We conclude that Trump's postelection conduct in Georgia leaves him at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes," the report said. "These charges potentially include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud; intentional interference with performance of election duties; conspiracy to commit election fraud; criminal solicitation; and state RICO violations."
The report also added that criminal liability could extend to some Trump allies, including his former personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani appeared before committees in the Georgia Capitol with the intent of convincing state lawmakers to "take extraordinary action to reverse Biden's win," the report notes.
In February, Raffensperger's office opened a probe into Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the state.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis also launched a criminal investigation into Trump's conduct related to the election.
The Brookings Institution report analyzed these probes and suggests the crimes that Trump could be charged with, along with his legal defenses.
The report suggests that Trump would likely claim immunity, arguing that he cannot be prosecuted for actions taken while he was in office.
Former presidents enjoy a measure of immunity for actions taken that "fall within the scope of their lawful duties as a federal official," according to the report.
However, in this case, Trump's actions were "well outside the scope of his official duties," the report noted.
For months, Trump has continued to promote debunked claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent, speaking of ballots coming from ceilings and pushing for forensic vote audits in closely-contested states like Arizona and Wisconsin.
The former president is currently facing several criminal probes over his conduct while in office, as well as his personal finances.
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Thankfully, he was relieved of duty and now the trials for his crimes against this country will proceed.
Two contrived, baseless impeachments (while ignoring the Biden / Clinton treason and graft and foreign collusion) = absolved of guilt.
Puffed-up, retired teach, so very, very frustrated.
Biden will have 4 years to be president.
We can judge his performance after that.
Trump's 4 years were the worst of any US president in our lifetime.
But, the absolute experts in US presidential history, people (both liberal and conservative) much more qualified to make such a judgement than anyone on here, myself included, judged Trump as the worst US president in our lifetime by scoring 10 different presidential criteria versus all the other US presidents.
Donald Trump is ranked near the bottom of all U.S. presidents by a group of historians, getting the lowest grades for leadership of any commander in chief who has served in the White House in the past 150 years.
The ratings of presidents on 10 leadership qualities, the fourth in a series conducted by C-SPAN, includes assessments by 142 historians and professional observers of the presidency.
The findings underscore the duality of Trump's standing, unprecedented among his fellow presidents. After his upset victory in 2016 and his defeat in 2020, historians hold him in the lowest regard of any president since soon after the Civil War..
That is clear. Indeed, he hasn't stopped lying.
Yet, SOME people ignore that, and are so duped, that they try to twist the truth in an attempt to mask reality.
Ronald Reagan, one of the most cherished Republicans in history, appointed CASEY AS CIA DIRECTOR !!!!!
Casey also acted as Reagan's campaign director his first term.
"Look, he's the favorite".
As the trial verdicts roll in, those odds will plummet and they'll be locked in at 40%.
78 - The Don
81 - Ol' Joe
Interestingly -
When asked 'bout a Prez run, Nikki Haley has said it'd depend on if The Don runs.
She's lately dropped that qualifier.
At age 52 in '24 -
A candidate 1/4 Century Younger than the Battling Codgers would be Refreshing.
I bet Michelle Obama would win.
I couldn't pull a lever for Either Him or Hildebeest in '16.
Also - He was Eight years LESS a codger in '16 than he'll BE in '24 - Big Difference.
Also -
She has little to No filter on her mouth - A bit like The Don.
Barry's the Political Animal of the family - Michelle is NOT.
To Her Credit - She Knows that & has UNEQUIVOCALLY ruled out ANY political runs.
The Constitution doesn't EXPLICITLY State that a POTUS Candidate can't be Dead.
Eleanor Roosevelt for Female 'Crat Prez '24!! - Jackie Kennedy For Veep ...
However, if Trump isn't in jail, AND the Republican Party is dumb & dishonest enough to select Trump as their candidate, WHOEVER the Democrats run will beat Trump (again).
Most of the people in the USA now realize how dangerous it is to have Trump in power and will be motivated to again prevent him from re-gaining power.
not to work. Worst of all, the chaos at the border allowing hundreds of thousands of illegals to invade our country unchecked. No mandate for the illegals though because they are potential votes.
None of it makes sense and even the kooks on the left are acknowledging the damage, not only to their party but to their freedom.
I seriously doubt obiden will finish his term and even with the threat of Harris or Pelosi stepping in, something must be done in Congress to alter the deadly course we are on. We are one catastrophe away from the American people asserting their Constitutional right to decide obiden and his enablers must be held accountable and dethroned. Its coming, I only hope the last straw doesn't kill us all.
If President Trump does run in 2024 no one can beat him.
and that was when Trump was the incumbent. He was a loser as an incumbent, because
he clearly was OFFICIALLY the worst US president in our lifetime. Indeed, his presidency was horrendous.
If he ever runs again (doubtful considering his many pending lawsuits), he will get beaten again.
He is likely just padding his sorely needed finances by again fleecing supporters in an effort to help pay for his legal fees.
If Trump runs expect mass voting fraud from the Republicans.
Majority of Voters Think Trump Was a Better President Than Biden: Poll
BY JENNI FINK ON 9/23/21 AT 11:16 AM EDT
- Ted Cruz, after The Don prevailed in the '16 'Publican Primaries.
If Trump runs expect mass voting fraud from the Republicans."
There are no charges against President Trump and certainly no crimes. As I stated earlier, he is the most influential figure in current American politics and whether he runs or not he is the hands down favorite in 2024. Now you snowflakes may not like the reality of the state of the union, no doubt since obiden has been in office, his time thus far has been disastrous.
Already the democratic/socialist party are resigned to losing the House and with such a slim margin, the Senate. In some role President Trump will determine who holds the WH in 2024. barrack osamas current 3rd term will come to an end. The man spent 8 years dividing the country, accomplishing 1 policy (osamacare), and giving rise to the BLM group. History (and not so called left wing expert pundits) will look unfavorably on the great black hope. They took a Muslim with a modicum of intelligence and turned him into a mouth piece for a socialized government. He doesn't represent this country, or this nation. And that is the one fact the left cannot abide.....they are obsolete when America's citizens are allowed to hear the truth.
No other US president was impeached so much. And it was his only presidency.
He set some horrendous records.
One & done. If not for the corrupt obstructionist Republican Senate, he should have been removed from office.
As for one and done, he's 'pending' fluffy.
The man spent 8 years dividing the country, accomplishing 1 policy (osamacare), and giving rise to the BLM group. History (and not so called left wing expert pundits) will look unfavorably on the great black hope.
In reality Obama is OFFICIALLY the 8th best president the USA has EVER had.
Meanwhile Trump was OFFICIALLY the worst US president in our lifetime.
That's not according to revisionist nutcases on the internet, but rather from a large collection of both conservative and liberal presidential historians, the true experts in that field.
Donald Trump is ranked near the bottom of all U.S. presidents by a group of historians, getting the lowest grades for leadership of any commander in chief who has served in the White House in the past 150 years.
The ratings of presidents on 10 leadership qualities, the fourth in a series conducted by C-SPAN, includes assessments by 142 historians and professional observers of the presidency.
The findings underscore the duality of Trump's standing, unprecedented among his fellow presidents. After his upset victory in 2016 and his defeat in 2020, historians hold him in the lowest regard of any president since soon after the Civil War.
To rely on 'opinions' no matter what group you choose is a very thin narrative, but libs will choose any position as long as it supports their view. Using that as a talking point or as definitive proof of anything tells me they're desperate.
If obiden is the current standard he makes it easy to choose the worst.
There are no 'experts' in presidential positioning. It's just an opinion and one could easily find just as many in opposition.
They judge on the scoring of each president for several presidential criteria
and have a much fuller understanding of each.
I respect their decisions a lot more than I respect some internet troll, who loves Trump
because he is also a troll.
Their "opinions" are based on their wealth of knowledge about the other presidents
and where Trump fits into that pool based on the scoring (#41 out of 45).
Again, Trump is clearly the worst US president in our lifetime. I didn't expect you
to accept that fact. You clearly ignore facts in favor of what fits your bizzarre agenda.
It's an academic past-time & there's Nothing "OFFICIAL" about it.
More accurately, Them - as different polls produce varying Rankings -
Which right there means there's No Such One OFFICIAL Ranking.
"No one has a right to grade a president—even poor James Buchanan—who has not sat in his chair, examined the mail and information that came across his desk, and learned why he made his decisions."
- John F. Kennedy
The 2021 one was the last one and thus, the official one.
When another one is done, incorporating the presidential scholars, it will replace it, as the official one.
Although there are some changes in the rankings, as more is found out,
especially about the recent president(s), they are fairly stable in the rankings.
I assure you, Trump will NEVER be in the top 35.
Indeed, as more of his crimes are prosecuted, he is likely to go down in the rankings,
even though he doesn't have far to go to hit the bottom.