Ok what's this about then.

Yesterday I posted comments on blogs stating that in my opinion people have been brainwashed as far as religion goes, today I read that after a break of 5 years the Turin Shroud is to go back on view, now as I recall the item was proved to be a fake & not even the church claim it to be real, in which case case why have a million people booked to go & see it confused why would anyone want to view a dirty old sheet from person or persons unknown dunno

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Zmountainman you know, Jesus Christ likes people like you,infact one of the Apostle, Paul in the new testament, was somebody who never liked the things and people of GOD, but he was chosen by GOD and he became one of the greatest preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ.Just saying that you will never follow Jesus Christ, the SPIRIT of GOD have already capture you.I will be waiting to read your testimony in JESUS Christ's Name.
simmo
Good to see you here...wine
Lou,
Thank you,
I'm always around, Keeping my eye on what's happening.cool
simmo
Just watching a program called Wentworth....Australian I think...hope your good!!...take care!!wine
Spot on, Simmo. My eyes see 'if it' as just one word ending in 't'. blushing

The problem is, now I'm not sure why you said what you did. giggle

How is it related to the question Zee asked, or anything I've said?
Jaq, as by now you have learned the 'group' that worships the shroud is much more interested in debunking all 3 of the C14 tests, than anyone else is in putting a video about the the tests being accurate.

Regarding the debris, as you no doubt noted not 1, but 3 tests, on different threads, at different times and places by different expert groups. Did all 3 labs test the same debris? I doubt it.

Being as controversial a topic as it is, the wiki page is probably one of the most tightly monitored wiki pages out there. Certainly the wiki talk and argue pages are amongst the most volumonious out there, so I present to you the wiki page on the shroud as probably being one of the most completes ones out there.

McCone, iron oxide based drawing. Gregory Paul, anatomically inaccurate, etc. LoL, note also "attested in 1390 when Bishop Pierre d'Arcis wrote a memorandum to Antipope Clement VII, stating that the shroud was a forgery and that the artist had confessed."

I suppose one positive to come from all this is the quality of the material, whether it be 700 0r 2000 years old it has stood the test of time, I'll be lucky if I get 20 years from my modern sheets doh help laugh rolling on the floor laughing laugh
Jac, yes I can see your point but I can't help but wonder how many of the one million people who have booked to see it will be thinking along those lines dunno
Zman
Maybe your question should be
Why are those who have a fake item charging people to view said fake item.
Answer might be greed, doh

As for the answer to your question
because they have more money than sense maybe. doh
What difference does it make to you what they think, or why they wish to see it?
As I understand it, there's no charge to see the Turin Shroud, just that the viewings are booked, presumably for health and safety reasons. There have been stampedes and deaths on other pilgrimages, as I understand it.

It would be interesting to know if there's a booking fee, mind. laugh
Jac
If there was a booking fee, would you then have a different view?
confused
A different view in what way, Simmo?
Simmo, as Jac said my understanding is they've covered themselves by not charging to see it, how much the town where it's displayed will make from a million visits is another thing laugh rolling on the floor laughing laugh
If the town shouldn't comercially benefit from it's visitors, should that be the same for the Olympics, other sporting, or entertainment events, or conferences, or sight-seeing?
Jac, my point is not about stopping people from seeing it but rather why they would want to confused you've given your reasons & I've questioned how many will view it that way, but I haven't suggested it be banned confused
Okay, if you don't want to stop people from seeing it, or making their own choices, but you do want to stop people from being sold a pup, what action might you take?
I checked out the official website for the Turin Shroud. You can book online for free, but calling by phone depends upon your network charges.

It also describes the shroud and it all lollks, just like the pope's speech, very non-commital.



Something just popped into my head as I was looking at the site - what if the shroud was a decorated piece of cloth prepared in anticipation of using it as some high ranking person's burial cloth?
lollks...? I do wonder at myself sometimes. rolling on the floor laughing
Amazing though that there's no real consensus on it.
Jac, no I don't think for one minute anyone will be swayed by my blog alone, but if they see enough doubt as they go through life they may at least think about it dunno I can always dream laugh
As for their non committal description perhaps the web address is giving a clue - the_holy_shroud laugh rolling on the floor laughing laugh see what I mean about brainwashing, in the old days that was called subliminal advertising doh then you open the page & right in the middle is a picture of the pope waving doh but they're not claiming anything of course help laugh rolling on the floor laughing
MD, as someone, I think Ken, mentioned earlier, there's more people trying to prove it genuine than those not, if my memory serves me right there was huge resistance to the original tests & don't suppose that's changed over the years, so don't expect a conclusion anytime soon laugh beer
Of course I'm not claiming royal approval for my blog professor

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Okay, what's this about then???? Answer: Nothing but a matter of mind over matter Zman.laugh
Usha wave I agree dancing wine
Calling it the Holy Shroud isn't the same as claiming it's the burial shroud of Christ, or the burial shroud of Jesus.

A statue of Jesus, or Mary, or angels may be called a holy statue, but they are not believed to be a holy relic.

If they called the shroud a holy relic, then they'd be claiming it was the actual burial cloth of a holy person.

By calling it the Holy Shroud, all they're doing (at least technically) is saying it's an object, an icon, or a piece of artwork depicting Jesus.
Jac,
" or a piece of artwork depicting Jesus. "

That's what we're discussing isn't it dunno I'm with you, looks more like a knight in armour to me laugh
Btw, a photograph might be considered a piece of artwork, so they haven't closed the door to the possibility of the Turin Shroud being a relic.
Jac, devotion to religion sounds a big subject uh oh I did watch the first section of your vid & yes it does sound like there might be something to that.
Maybe there is something to religion, not only has Myuran Sukumaran, one of the Bali been resurrected, following his execution last week, but he's joined us her on CS as a new member uh oh wow doh very mad
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