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Dec 6, 2009 1:48 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LoveableOne
LoveableOneLoveableOneMelbourne, Victoria Australia67 Threads 4,079 Posts
LaVerdad: Hi there Loveableone, how you doing?


Fine darl how are you? hug
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Dec 6, 2009 1:50 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
LoveableOne: Fine darl how are you?


I'm fine thanks sweetie pie! hug rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 6, 2009 1:51 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LoveableOne
LoveableOneLoveableOneMelbourne, Victoria Australia67 Threads 4,079 Posts
RobertC2: I'm fine thanks sweetie pie!


rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 6, 2009 1:53 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
LaVerdad: it will be their own crap they end up standing in



That doesn't sound like an enjoyable experience. I think the jello pit would be more fun.cartwheel
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Dec 6, 2009 1:54 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
kidatheart: That doesn't sound like an enjoyable experience. I think the jello pit would be more fun.


hehe good to see youwave
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Dec 6, 2009 2:00 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
wildatheart2
wildatheart2wildatheart2dublin, Dublin Ireland66 Posts
LaVerdad: Hehe I am trying not to. Shhhh if they do get the wrong impression their greycells defunct! Unlike duracells they are not reachargable. Like your posts by the way


Why, thank you. cheers
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Dec 6, 2009 2:00 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
bay163
bay163bay163san mateo, California USA8 Threads 4 Polls 991 Posts
LaVerdad: Sorry that job I advertised for an arsewipe has already been filled.


but this guy is a dr. I am sure he would have a team of specialists with all kinds of whatever to make sure all you crap is clean and he would bill your insurance company,or govt
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Dec 6, 2009 2:08 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
bay163: but this guy is a dr. I am sure he would have a team of specialists with all kinds of whatever to make sure all you crap is clean and he would bill your insurance company,or govt
Yes and I'm referring you to a proctologist for MRI to see what your brain is doing.rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 6, 2009 2:14 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
Goodnight all, it was a pleasure-have a good day.thumbs up wave
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Dec 6, 2009 2:17 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
drbombay: Goodnight all, it was a pleasure-have a good day.


Take care, sleep well - and may the Sabbath bring you a nice lady to lunch and something really nice as a dessert! thumbs up
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Dec 6, 2009 2:17 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
bay163: but this guy is a dr. I am sure he would have a team of specialists with all kinds of whatever to make sure all you crap is clean and he would bill your insurance company,or govt


YOu don't get it do you, the crap inside me simply cannot be removed it is there on a permanent basis and I like it oozing out of every pore of my body thankyou!devil
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Dec 6, 2009 2:18 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
LaVerdad: This is an international forum or have you forgot. Now as regards english I also speak spanish, hebrew and learning arabic, now can you please tell me which one is more appropriate for you to converse in. Babble gets me where I want to go in my life, to places you will never ever go to because you simply ain't got the balls to step outside in to the big bad world we live in today.


Todah! Todah! wine
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Dec 6, 2009 2:18 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
drbombay: Goodnight all, it was a pleasure-have a good day.


Goodnight Dr, have a good night and see you in the next cartoon full of madness!wave teddybear
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Dec 6, 2009 2:18 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
RobertC2: Todah! Todah!


Muy bien amigo!wine
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Dec 6, 2009 2:19 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
K_rational
K_rationalK_rationalTaipei, Taiwan10 Threads 257 Posts
Why don't atheists and agnostics believe in religious mythologies? Because of a complete lack of any evidence. If you visited a newly discovered tribe living in the Amazon basin who grew up oblivious to outside mythologies, do you honestly believe you could convince them? It has been tried and failed; the tribe converted the missionary.



If you want atheists and agnostics to believe, there's only one way, and it's not more dogma and diatribe: perform one of the claims of the supernatural from the book o' blood. Go to a hospital morgue with the non-believer and raise someone from the dead, such as a person who was dismembered in a car accident three days ago, thus could not be simply comatose and alive. (Other demonstrations of the supernatural that defy rational explanation would also suffice, such as separating the water between Florida and Cuba.)

If you can bring the person back to life, we'll believe because it's something inexplicable by rational thinking and science. If you can't do it, your "god" doesn't exist. If you won't even try to do it, it means you know your "god" doesn't exist. If you say, "You don't test 'god'!", you are afraid to admit you can't prove it. Regardless of which, it's claim in the buybull, therefore the burden of proof lies with the religious who claim it's possible, not with those who refute it.

If anyone disagrees about the burden of proof, remember this: the burden of proof I'm demanding, false until proven true, is the same burden of proof used in a court of law: innocent until proven guilty. Those expecting different burdens of proof (one for their religion, a different one for themselves) are hypocrites: if one wants "true until proven false" for one's mythology, then to be ethically consistent one would have to accept being guilty until proven innocent if one were ever charged with a crime.

Also note the other fact which most ardently religious people ignore, gloss over, or (sometimes) lie about: admitting that you (the religious) can't prove there is a "god" doesn't prevent you from believing in it. All it does is prevent you from imposing religion on others, which is all that atheists and agnostics are asking for. Nobody is asking you not to believe, only to keep it in your church and home and out of schools, law and government. (Discussion and debate sites are no-man's-land where anything goes.)

For any non-believers reading this, remember and quote these phrases whenever someone asks you "Why don't you believe?":
Put up or shut up.
Show it or stow it.
Evidence, not avoidance.
Demonstrate, don't remonstrate.
Also remember that most fervently anti-religious countries are those where there is only one religion or dogma and it bans the practice of others to prevent competition. A secular society is not an atheist society.
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Dec 6, 2009 2:22 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
bay163
bay163bay163san mateo, California USA8 Threads 4 Polls 991 Posts
RobertC2: Lord - if only I had some holy water I'd sprinkle some over you and try to exorcise the evil coming out of your mouth!


ok i will take that under advisement , thanks wave
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Dec 6, 2009 2:25 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
wildatheart2
wildatheart2wildatheart2dublin, Dublin Ireland66 Posts
LaVerdad: This is an international forum or have you forgot. Now as regards english I also speak spanish, hebrew and learning arabic, now can you please tell me which one is more appropriate for you to converse in. Babble gets me where I want to go in my life, to places you will never ever go to because you simply ain't got the balls to step outside in to the big bad world we live in today.


????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????! laugh
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Dec 6, 2009 2:25 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
K_rational: Why don't atheists and agnostics believe in religious mythologies? Because of a complete lack of any evidence. If you visited a newly discovered tribe living in the Amazon basin who grew up oblivious to outside mythologies, do you honestly believe you could convince them? It has been tried and failed; the tribe converted the missionary.



If you want atheists and agnostics to believe, there's only one way, and it's not more dogma and diatribe: perform one of the claims of the supernatural from the book o' blood. Go to a hospital morgue with the non-believer and raise someone from the dead, such as a person who was dismembered in a car accident three days ago, thus could not be simply comatose and alive. (Other demonstrations of the supernatural that defy rational explanation would also suffice, such as separating the water between Florida and Cuba.)

If you can bring the person back to life, we'll believe because it's something inexplicable by rational thinking and science. If you can't do it, your "god" doesn't exist. If you won't even try to do it, it means you know your "god" doesn't exist. If you say, "You don't test 'god'!", you are afraid to admit you can't prove it. Regardless of which, it's claim in the buybull, therefore the burden of proof lies with the religious who claim it's possible, not with those who refute it.

If anyone disagrees about the burden of proof, remember this: the burden of proof I'm demanding, false until proven true, is the same burden of proof used in a court of law: innocent until proven guilty. Those expecting different burdens of proof (one for their religion, a different one for themselves) are hypocrites: if one wants "true until proven false" for one's mythology, then to be ethically consistent one would have to accept being guilty until proven innocent if one were ever charged with a crime.

Also note the other fact which most ardently religious people ignore, gloss over, or (sometimes) lie about: admitting that you (the religious) can't prove there is a "god" doesn't prevent you from believing in it. All it does is prevent you from imposing religion on others, which is all that atheists and agnostics are asking for. Nobody is asking you not to believe, only to keep it in your church and home and out of schools, law and government. (Discussion and debate sites are no-man's-land where anything goes.)

For any non-believers reading this, remember and quote these phrases whenever someone asks you "Why don't you believe?":
Put up or shut up.
Show it or stow it.
Evidence, not avoidance.
Demonstrate, don't remonstrate.
Also remember that most fervently anti-religious countries are those where there is only one religion or dogma and it bans the practice of others to prevent competition. A secular society is not an atheist society.


Interesting read and link, thankyouthumbs up
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Dec 6, 2009 2:27 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
wildatheart2
wildatheart2wildatheart2dublin, Dublin Ireland66 Posts
LaVerdad: This is an international forum or have you forgot. Now as regards english I also speak spanish, hebrew and learning arabic, now can you please tell me which one is more appropriate for you to converse in. Babble gets me where I want to go in my life, to places you will never ever go to because you simply ain't got the balls to step outside in to the big bad world we live in today.



Hablando en hebreo, podrían interferir en los cristianos!!
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Dec 6, 2009 2:27 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
LaVerdad
LaVerdadLaVerdadBaghdad, Iraq1 Threads 1,897 Posts
wildatheart2: ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????!


You made me laugh with that, very good!! No many people read between the lines these days!!wine thumbs up
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