Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you? ( Archived) (852)

Nov 28, 2009 6:54 PM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
brandycuba: How do you know they asked? How do you know they said Jesus please send us food so we don't starve to death? It is true if you ask in Jesus name you will receive. A simple example, I had cancer 3 years ago, I was told I had less than a year to live, I prayed and prayed and prayed. Here I am. No cemo, just a minor surgery and I lived through it so did my daughter who I was pregnate with at the time. Something from everyday life, 2 days ago, my washing machine was getting ready to quit. I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to. It has never worked better and no work was needed. All you have to do is ask in Jesus name, but if you don't believe in him, how can you ask him for anything?

Let's see now, you claimed to have had cancer so you prayed & prayed, that and a "minor surgery" and miraculously Jesus answered your prayers and you were healed. Of course the "minor surgery" had nothing to do with it. If you are such a strong believer in the power of Jesus to cure you of cancer, why did you even bother to have that "minor surgery"?

Then you say that your washing machine was about to break so, "I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to." And now it purrs like a kitten. Do you realize how much money you could be making repairing white goods, and small appliances not to mention automobiles?
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Nov 28, 2009 7:09 PM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
ooby_dooby: Let's see now, you claimed to have had cancer so you prayed & prayed, that and a "minor surgery" and miraculously Jesus answered your prayers and you were healed. Of course the "minor surgery" had nothing to do with it. If you are such a strong believer in the power of Jesus to cure you of cancer, why did you even bother to have that "minor surgery"?

Then you say that your washing machine was about to break so, "I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to." And now it purrs like a kitten. Do you realize how much money you could be making repairing white goods, and small appliances not to mention automobiles?


Dude, the mind is very powerful tool and regardless if one uses a jesus archetype or one's own higher self or source, we have the ability to instruct our cells to perform as we wish. With patience and focus this can be done.

It is in fact one's internal turmoil, (aka attacking one's self) that causes cells to think that you want to kill yourself. They are only following your orders. They tend to take internalized anger and other emotions as an instruction to die or be diseased, they reflect the hurt that hasn't been dealt with constructively.

I'm not sure about the washing machine, but your assessment of one's connection to one's own higher source is faulty and your further speech sadly reaks of ridicule in matters of which you clearly have no comprehension.

There may or may not be a jesus, but there is mind and there is conscious awareness.


Zero point energy. Look it up, it will broaden your horizons. Then look up Rieki and when you're done I have more gift
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Nov 28, 2009 7:47 PM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
brandycuba: So why call religion a con, I believe in Jesus, I serve him I have lost nothing and gained so much, I wasn't conned, it is your choice to believe what you want but to call what I believe a con is no right.



When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts
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Nov 28, 2009 11:27 PM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
omega1036
omega1036omega1036spearfish, South Dakota USA1 Threads 481 Posts
wow ooohhh Stephen F Roberts ooohhhyawn
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Nov 29, 2009 1:36 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
rebelluvr
rebelluvrrebelluvrMonroeville, Alabama USA3 Threads 1,627 Posts
there is no god , there is just us highly evolved organisms trying to survive in a galixy the size of an atom ! how dare we even consider a god ? you can pray all you want what will happen will happen ! we can't control nothing !yawn sorry drunk
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Nov 29, 2009 2:06 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
brandycuba: How do you know they asked? How do you know they said Jesus please send us food so we don't starve to death? It is true if you ask in Jesus name you will receive. A simple example, I had cancer 3 years ago, I was told I had less than a year to live, I prayed and prayed and prayed. Here I am. No cemo, just a minor surgery and I lived through it so did my daughter who I was pregnate with at the time. Something from everyday life, 2 days ago, my washing machine was getting ready to quit. I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to. It has never worked better and no work was needed. All you have to do is ask in Jesus name, but if you don't believe in him, how can you ask him for anything?


Oh dear how could I possible have a reasonable discussion with you?

teddybear
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Nov 29, 2009 2:22 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
rebelluvr
rebelluvrrebelluvrMonroeville, Alabama USA3 Threads 1,627 Posts
brandycuba: How do you know they asked? How do you know they said Jesus please send us food so we don't starve to death? It is true if you ask in Jesus name you will receive. A simple example, I had cancer 3 years ago, I was told I had less than a year to live, I prayed and prayed and prayed. Here I am. No cemo, just a minor surgery and I lived through it so did my daughter who I was pregnate with at the time. Something from everyday life, 2 days ago, my washing machine was getting ready to quit. I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to. It has never worked better and no work was needed. All you have to do is ask in Jesus name, but if you don't believe in him, how can you ask him for anything?
thats bull i spent my life worshiping god & praying to him and lost everything ! what have I got in return ,,,,,,, nothing ! screw religiondevil Iam for me & mine ! there is no god !professor
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Nov 29, 2009 3:03 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
brandycuba: How do you know they asked? How do you know they said Jesus please send us food so we don't starve to death? It is true if you ask in Jesus name you will receive. A simple example, I had cancer 3 years ago, I was told I had less than a year to live, I prayed and prayed and prayed. Here I am. No cemo, just a minor surgery and I lived through it so did my daughter who I was pregnate with at the time. Something from everyday life, 2 days ago, my washing machine was getting ready to quit. I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to. It has never worked better and no work was needed. All you have to do is ask in Jesus name, but if you don't believe in him, how can you ask him for anything?
confused The Maytag-Guy won't like it!grin
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Nov 29, 2009 3:59 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
omega1036: ooohhh Stephen F Roberts ooohhh


whats that supposed to mean confused
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Nov 29, 2009 4:52 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
This same thing happened with my mother. She was in her early eighties and had stage 3-4 colon cancer. The doctors told her she would have to have chemotherapy after the surgery and she was very afraid of this. Well, it turns out the doctor changed his mind, the second doctor same situation, she did not have to have any chemo, the surgery was successful and the cancer has not returned for over five years. She is now in her late eighties and continues to bless us with her presence.

Yes, we prayed. Was it a coincidence, or an answer? There were other things that happened that were unusual as well, but I know others would disagree, cheers this holiday weekend!!!

brandycuba: How do you know they asked? How do you know they said Jesus please send us food so we don't starve to death? It is true if you ask in Jesus name you will receive. A simple example, I had cancer 3 years ago, I was told I had less than a year to live, I prayed and prayed and prayed. Here I am. No cemo, just a minor surgery and I lived through it so did my daughter who I was pregnate with at the time. Something from everyday life, 2 days ago, my washing machine was getting ready to quit. I laid my hands on it and prayed Jesus please fix my washing machine, please make it work the way it was ment to. It has never worked better and no work was needed. All you have to do is ask in Jesus name, but if you don't believe in him, how can you ask him for anything?
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Nov 29, 2009 5:01 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
MikeHD: Thank you Cro, you big bag of hammers you.


I didn't understand the analogy of the bag of hammers either, but found the dictionary definition of help:


hammer
noun
A hand tool consisting of a handle with a head of metal or other heavy rigid material that is attached at a right angle, used for striking or pounding.

A tool or device similar in function or action to this striking tool, as:

A part of an apparatus that strikes a gong or bell, as in a clock.

hammered, hammering, hammers
verb
To hit, especially repeatedly, with or as if with a hammer; pound.

To beat into a shape with or as if with a hammer: hammered out the dents in the fender; hammered out a contract acceptable to both sides.

To force upon by constant repetition.

To deal repeated blows with or as if with a hammer; pummel: "Wind hammered at us violently in gusts"

To keep at something continuously


Hmmm. It makes sense now. laugh
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Nov 29, 2009 5:04 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
calmheartseeks: This same thing happened with my mother. She was in her early eighties and had stage 3-4 colon cancer. The doctors told her she would have to have chemotherapy after the surgery and she was very afraid of this. Well, it turns out the doctor changed his mind, the second doctor same situation, she did not have to have any chemo, the surgery was successful and the cancer has not returned for over five years. She is now in her late eighties and continues to bless us with her presence.

Yes, we prayed. Was it a coincidence, or an answer? There were other things that happened that were unusual as well, but I know others would disagree, this holiday weekend!!!


I think me and you should get married- imagine all the money I’ll save on heath insurance. I would guess you wouldn’t have any? confused
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Nov 29, 2009 5:06 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks: I didn't understand the analogy of the bag of hammers either, but found the dictionary definition of help:


hammer
noun
A hand tool consisting of a handle with a head of metal or other heavy rigid material that is attached at a right angle, used for striking or pounding.

A tool or device similar in function or action to this striking tool, as:

A part of an apparatus that strikes a gong or bell, as in a clock.

hammered, hammering, hammers
verb
To hit, especially repeatedly, with or as if with a hammer; pound.

To beat into a shape with or as if with a hammer: hammered out the dents in the fender; hammered out a contract acceptable to both sides.

To force upon by constant repetition.

To deal repeated blows with or as if with a hammer; pummel: "Wind hammered at us violently in gusts"

To keep at something continuouslyHmmm. It makes sense now.
"If your only Tool is a Hammer,all your Problems will start to look like Nails"!laugh
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Nov 29, 2009 5:12 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
Yes, I have health insurance. Or are you trying to say Christians don't? And you base this on what statistics?

None, right?

You might look into scientology for that type of rationality.

EliteOne: I think me and you should get married- imagine all the money I’ll save on heath insurance. I would guess you wouldn’t have any?
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Nov 29, 2009 5:12 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
Conrad73: "If your only Tool is a Hammer,all your Problems will start to look like Nails"!


verry good!~!! laugh laugh
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Nov 29, 2009 5:16 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
calmheartseeks: Yes, I have health insurance. Or are you trying to say Christians don't? And you base this on what statistics?

None, right?

You might look into scientology for that type of rationality.

I was just under the impression some like you wouldn’t need any! after all, all your prayers get answered. Seems like a waste of money to me! grin
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Nov 29, 2009 5:22 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
I never said all prayers were answered, and would never make such a claim.

EliteOne: I was just under the impression some like you wouldn’t need any! after all, all your prayers get answered. Seems like a waste of money to me!
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Nov 29, 2009 5:28 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
calmheartseeks: I never said all prayers were answered, and would never make such a claim.

So back to where it all started! If you ask in the name of Jesus not all you shall receive? confused
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Nov 29, 2009 5:32 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
The correct phrase is actually an insult, which is, "You're as dumb (or useless) as a sack of hammer handles".

I'm sure someone will figure it's meaning, as well as who it should actually apply to.roll eyes
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Nov 29, 2009 5:35 AM CST Those who don't believe in God or Jesus, why don't you?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
kidatheart: The correct phrase is actually an insult, which is, "You're as dumb (or useless) as a sack of hammer handles".

I'm sure someone will figure it's meaning, as well as who it should actually apply to.


Mike used it as an analogy of the addressed person's style of argumentation.
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