Towering inferno in England (258)
@Hex...
I have already posted twice that the therapy centre has OFFERED it's services and INVITED people to use those services if they so WISH.
I have already posted that the service has been offered to all those affected by the disaster, not just survivors, therefore support needs will vary.
If you wish to block this kind of service on the grounds that it is too soon, services are no longer client lead where people can make their own decisions about the right time for them.
As the service has been set up by volunteers, it's unlikely that potential users will fret that the government won't offer them anything else if they don't use it because the government hasn't provided it in the first place.
It is possible however, that when the publicity and pressure dies down, the government won't trouble themselves to offer those affected anything more than the bog standard 6 sessions of CBT currently (not very) available on the NHS.
I have already posted twice that the therapy centre has OFFERED it's services and INVITED people to use those services if they so WISH.
I have already posted that the service has been offered to all those affected by the disaster, not just survivors, therefore support needs will vary.
If you wish to block this kind of service on the grounds that it is too soon, services are no longer client lead where people can make their own decisions about the right time for them.
As the service has been set up by volunteers, it's unlikely that potential users will fret that the government won't offer them anything else if they don't use it because the government hasn't provided it in the first place.
It is possible however, that when the publicity and pressure dies down, the government won't trouble themselves to offer those affected anything more than the bog standard 6 sessions of CBT currently (not very) available on the NHS.
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jac_the_gripper: @Hex...
I have already posted twice that the therapy centre has OFFERED it's services and INVITED people to use those services if they so WISH.
I have already posted that the service has been offered to all those affected by the disaster, not just survivors, therefore support needs will vary.
If you wish to block this kind of service on the grounds that it is too soon, services are no longer client lead where people can make their own decisions about the right time for them.
As the service has been set up by volunteers, it's unlikely that potential users will fret that the government won't offer them anything else if they don't use it because the government hasn't provided it in the first place.
It is possible however, that when the publicity and pressure dies down, the government won't trouble themselves to offer those affected anything more than the bog standard 6 sessions of CBT currently (not very) available on the NHS.
I have already posted twice that the therapy centre has OFFERED it's services and INVITED people to use those services if they so WISH.
I have already posted that the service has been offered to all those affected by the disaster, not just survivors, therefore support needs will vary.
If you wish to block this kind of service on the grounds that it is too soon, services are no longer client lead where people can make their own decisions about the right time for them.
As the service has been set up by volunteers, it's unlikely that potential users will fret that the government won't offer them anything else if they don't use it because the government hasn't provided it in the first place.
It is possible however, that when the publicity and pressure dies down, the government won't trouble themselves to offer those affected anything more than the bog standard 6 sessions of CBT currently (not very) available on the NHS.
@Jac
Let it go ... I've been VERY plain in what I've said and why I've said so.
You really are a "piece of work" - writing the above in such a way as to suggest to 'block services' but I'm sure that I'm not the only person who's fully aware of your modus operandi. I already included the use of that particular technique when went I through many of your Yack-o-Strats elsewhere.
You have a nice night now !
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@Hex...
From what I understand of your posts, I disagree with your arguments and have said so.
I have tried to provide you with information to justify my arguments.
That's how debate works.
I don't understand your 'I know what you're up to' comment. Whatever you are thinking, it comes from your own internal value framework and is likely nothing to do with me.
On the subject of therapy, I would like to point out that the volunteers are likely working towards any number of professional qualifications, or accreditation which requires hundreds of hours practise.
Most people do this on a voluntary basis, as very few are lucky enough to have paid support.
This means that volunteers will likely be studying, working to support themselves (and their studies/professional supervision), volunteering their skills elsewhere, or all three, as well as volunteering their time to support those affected by the fire.
Personally, I don't think it's reasonable to criticise the service they are offering, particularly if you don't know how these services work in the UK.
From what I understand of your posts, I disagree with your arguments and have said so.
I have tried to provide you with information to justify my arguments.
That's how debate works.
I don't understand your 'I know what you're up to' comment. Whatever you are thinking, it comes from your own internal value framework and is likely nothing to do with me.
On the subject of therapy, I would like to point out that the volunteers are likely working towards any number of professional qualifications, or accreditation which requires hundreds of hours practise.
Most people do this on a voluntary basis, as very few are lucky enough to have paid support.
This means that volunteers will likely be studying, working to support themselves (and their studies/professional supervision), volunteering their skills elsewhere, or all three, as well as volunteering their time to support those affected by the fire.
Personally, I don't think it's reasonable to criticise the service they are offering, particularly if you don't know how these services work in the UK.
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ChesneyChrist: Remember that the only reason we ever did get anything nice - the only reason we have the NHS - was due to the threat of international labour. Liberals believe that we mustn't act ourselves and we must submit to the overwhelming need to obey in the blind hope that the pity of the rich will continue to finance our public services.
But pity alone is not going to do it. We have to give wealthy society a taste of what the violent cesspool of pre-welfare society feels like. For over 30 years the rich and middling have borrowed for their own crime insurance and riot prevention(the welfare state)through debt because they won't pay the taxes which keep them safe and provide a nice society to live in. Debt allowed them to be greedy without any short-term consequences, the rich have enjoyed 30 years of civil society courtesy of the national debt, and now that the debt isn't an option guilt-tripping and begging will NOT get the rich to "pay" their share. People must turn to increasingly extreme measures to defend themselves.
But pity alone is not going to do it. We have to give wealthy society a taste of what the violent cesspool of pre-welfare society feels like. For over 30 years the rich and middling have borrowed for their own crime insurance and riot prevention(the welfare state)through debt because they won't pay the taxes which keep them safe and provide a nice society to live in. Debt allowed them to be greedy without any short-term consequences, the rich have enjoyed 30 years of civil society courtesy of the national debt, and now that the debt isn't an option guilt-tripping and begging will NOT get the rich to "pay" their share. People must turn to increasingly extreme measures to defend themselves.
Holy ChesneyChrist, the logic of youth is back in the forums. To be continues.....
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sophiasummer: You idiot
I thought it was hex replying.
Soph
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So did I, Soph.
It seems the top quote didn't reproduce in grey properly, making it confusing.
It seems the top quote didn't reproduce in grey properly, making it confusing.
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jac_the_gripper: So did I, Soph.
It seems the top quote didn't reproduce in grey properly, making it confusing.
It seems the top quote didn't reproduce in grey properly, making it confusing.
Thanks I was quite shocked to where it was heading.
Take care you and your'e whanau
xx
Soph
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jac_the_gripper: @Hex...
From what I understand of your posts, I disagree with your arguments and have said so.
I have tried to provide you with information to justify my arguments.
That's how debate works.
I don't understand your 'I know what you're up to' comment. Whatever you are thinking, it comes from your own internal value framework and is likely nothing to do with me.
On the subject of therapy, I would like to point out that the volunteers are likely working towards any number of professional qualifications, or accreditation which requires hundreds of hours practise.
Most people do this on a voluntary basis, as very few are lucky enough to have paid support.
This means that volunteers will likely be studying, working to support themselves (and their studies/professional supervision), volunteering their skills elsewhere, or all three, as well as volunteering their time to support those affected by the fire.
Personally, I don't think it's reasonable to criticise the service they are offering, particularly if you don't know how these services work in the UK.
From what I understand of your posts, I disagree with your arguments and have said so.
I have tried to provide you with information to justify my arguments.
That's how debate works.
I don't understand your 'I know what you're up to' comment. Whatever you are thinking, it comes from your own internal value framework and is likely nothing to do with me.
On the subject of therapy, I would like to point out that the volunteers are likely working towards any number of professional qualifications, or accreditation which requires hundreds of hours practise.
Most people do this on a voluntary basis, as very few are lucky enough to have paid support.
This means that volunteers will likely be studying, working to support themselves (and their studies/professional supervision), volunteering their skills elsewhere, or all three, as well as volunteering their time to support those affected by the fire.
Personally, I don't think it's reasonable to criticise the service they are offering, particularly if you don't know how these services work in the UK.
Plainly then, English is not your first language and / or you have significant weaknesses in comprehension ?
You apparently can't bear to read accurately what I've said about appropriateness and timeliness ... then that's NOT my problem but yours.
Another of your frequently employed Yac-O-Strats !
Says it all when you think it's 'OK' to throw those unfortunate people who have experienced some of the most unimaginable traumas into the clutches of inexperienced trainees ... you could be poster girl for the Psychobabble Industry Foundation.
It's simply not the case that 'well meaningness ' produces a good outcome ...
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Of the 600 tower blocks across the UK with some sort of cladding, three so far have been found to use the exact same materials which are thought to have escalated the fire at Grenfell.
The London Borough of Camden's council are in the process of removing similar cladding from five of it's tower blocks. They have stated the panels used were found to be different from those they had commissioned for the refurbishments. The fire brigade will be patrolling the corridors of the buildings until the cladding has been removed.
Screening of cladding on tower blocks across the UK continues and panels are being removed for testing.
The London Borough of Camden's council are in the process of removing similar cladding from five of it's tower blocks. They have stated the panels used were found to be different from those they had commissioned for the refurbishments. The fire brigade will be patrolling the corridors of the buildings until the cladding has been removed.
Screening of cladding on tower blocks across the UK continues and panels are being removed for testing.
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Nine tower blocks in Salford have been found to have similar cladding to Grenfell.
Residents have reported that they do not have sprinklers, they have never heard the fire alarms being tested, nor have they ever had a fire drill, or evacuation practice, one resident having lived there for 26 years.
One man said he was one of three disabled people living on the 20th floor.
Residents have reported that they do not have sprinklers, they have never heard the fire alarms being tested, nor have they ever had a fire drill, or evacuation practice, one resident having lived there for 26 years.
One man said he was one of three disabled people living on the 20th floor.
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jac_the_gripper: Nine tower blocks in Salford have been found to have similar cladding to Grenfell.
Residents have reported that they do not have sprinklers, they have never heard the fire alarms being tested, nor have they ever had a fire drill, or evacuation practice, one resident having lived there for 26 years.
One man said he was one of three disabled people living on the 20th floor.
Residents have reported that they do not have sprinklers, they have never heard the fire alarms being tested, nor have they ever had a fire drill, or evacuation practice, one resident having lived there for 26 years.
One man said he was one of three disabled people living on the 20th floor.
Wow, your last post sounds like a recipe for disaster. And if terrorist didn't know before all this came out publicly, they do know now.
Thanks for the updates ....
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I hadn't thought of that, Galrads.
Given the high proportion of Muslim families and refugees placed at Grenfell, it could be much the same in these other money spinning, inner city death traps.
It may well make all the residents vulnerable to a Darren-Osborne-a-like turned arsonist.
Hopefully, Camden has lead the way by having the fire brigade patrol the corridors until the cladding is removed at least.
Given the high proportion of Muslim families and refugees placed at Grenfell, it could be much the same in these other money spinning, inner city death traps.
It may well make all the residents vulnerable to a Darren-Osborne-a-like turned arsonist.
Hopefully, Camden has lead the way by having the fire brigade patrol the corridors until the cladding is removed at least.
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The figure has gone up to 11 tower blocks in Salford, London and Plymouth.
None of the tower blocks in Scotland have this type of cladding. Bring partly devolved, Scotland has some of it's own laws. The Scots are generally more people friendly and aware in the way they handle social issues as far as I can work out.
None of the tower blocks in Scotland have this type of cladding. Bring partly devolved, Scotland has some of it's own laws. The Scots are generally more people friendly and aware in the way they handle social issues as far as I can work out.
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The number of residential tower blocks with safety concerns about cladding has gone up to 25: 12 with the exact same cladding as was used at Grenfell and 13 with similar.
Premier Inn has very serious concerns about three of it's high rise hotels.
Premier Inn has very serious concerns about three of it's high rise hotels.
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It has been confirmed that the fire at Grenfell was started by a faulty fridge freezer and was not deliberate.
It has also been reported that the insulation used in the building was even more flammable than the cladding. Police are considering manslaughter charges as further investigations indicate failures in adhering to building regulations.
The official death toll stands at 9, whilst 79 people are considered missing presumed dead. All the complete bodies have been recovered from the building.
The death toll is expected to rise amid speculation that it could take a year to complete the full recovery process.
It has also been reported that the insulation used in the building was even more flammable than the cladding. Police are considering manslaughter charges as further investigations indicate failures in adhering to building regulations.
The official death toll stands at 9, whilst 79 people are considered missing presumed dead. All the complete bodies have been recovered from the building.
The death toll is expected to rise amid speculation that it could take a year to complete the full recovery process.
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I have;nt read your posts for a while ...
You are passionate ...
An you turn me on
Just sayin
You are passionate ...
An you turn me on
Just sayin
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Private landlords are not being compelled to test cladding on their properties, but the testing facilities are available to them.
The figure of 600 tower blocks in the UK are the ones owned by local councils.
The figure of 600 tower blocks in the UK are the ones owned by local councils.
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Investigators have been watching footage sent in by members of the public and listening to 999 calls to the emergency services in a bid to establish the events at Grenfell Tower 10 days ago.
Some calls to the emergency services lasted up to an hour and have been described as harrowing.
The layers of those involved in and affected by the disaster are manifold beyond comprehension.
Some calls to the emergency services lasted up to an hour and have been described as harrowing.
The layers of those involved in and affected by the disaster are manifold beyond comprehension.
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I'm sure I read somewhere this morning that 19 bodies were being held at the mortuary, 9 of those having been formally identified.
If all the complete bodies have been recovered, that leaves 60 reported missing, incomplete bodies still in the building.
An amnesty has been declared on immigration status and survivors will not have their status investigated. Last week the commissioner of the Metropolitan police said he didn't care what reasons people may have for not coming forward with information about who was in the building at the time of the fire, he just wanted to establish how many people were safe and how many were missing.
Given the condition of the bodies and the difficulties faced with some residents having medical and dental records abroad, unreported bodies, or body parts will hamper the process of identification and returning loved ones to their families for burial.
If all the complete bodies have been recovered, that leaves 60 reported missing, incomplete bodies still in the building.
An amnesty has been declared on immigration status and survivors will not have their status investigated. Last week the commissioner of the Metropolitan police said he didn't care what reasons people may have for not coming forward with information about who was in the building at the time of the fire, he just wanted to establish how many people were safe and how many were missing.
Given the condition of the bodies and the difficulties faced with some residents having medical and dental records abroad, unreported bodies, or body parts will hamper the process of identification and returning loved ones to their families for burial.
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But pity alone is not going to do it. We have to give wealthy society a taste of what the violent cesspool of pre-welfare society feels like. For over 30 years the rich and middling have borrowed for their own crime insurance and riot prevention(the welfare state)through debt because they won't pay the taxes which keep them safe and provide a nice society to live in. Debt allowed them to be greedy without any short-term consequences, the rich have enjoyed 30 years of civil society courtesy of the national debt, and now that the debt isn't an option guilt-tripping and begging will NOT get the rich to "pay" their share. People must turn to increasingly extreme measures to defend themselves.
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Civil war then.