Towering inferno in England (258)
The first victim has been formally identified Mohammed
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The first victim has been formally identified as Mohammed Alhajali.
58 people are classed missing and presumed dead. This figure includes 16 bodies being held at the mortuary.
58 people are classed missing and presumed dead. This figure includes 16 bodies being held at the mortuary.
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jac_the_gripper: It's hardly likely there will be any funds left from public donations, particularly if the government doesn't upscale it's pledge, given the scale of the crisis, the number of dead which may run into triple figures and the number of families who have been left with only the pyjamas on their back.
Fortunately, various crowd funding, newspaper, Red Cross and other appeals have been launched to support those affected by the recent murders in Manchester and London.
I've not found any information regarding the government's financial support of these families. I'd appreciate it if someone else were to locate this information.
Fortunately, various crowd funding, newspaper, Red Cross and other appeals have been launched to support those affected by the recent murders in Manchester and London.
I've not found any information regarding the government's financial support of these families. I'd appreciate it if someone else were to locate this information.
The government has released £5 million to cover immediate problems.
I don't understand why so much anger is directed at PM May, she had nothing to do with the company that installed the cladding nor the decision to use that material. To blame austerity is ridiculous, the council is at fault end of story.
As for not speaking with the rescued, she would be damned if she did and damned if she didn't, she did what she thought was right, to speak with the amazing firefighters and rescuers and then get the residents to come to Downing St, but the press just want to make a huge deal out of it. Corbyn is using this tragedy for political points which is disgusting IMO.
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and Jeremy Corbyn is a despicable Commie-Snake in the Grass!
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Local people have set up an emotional and therapy support centre, aware that NHS mental health services are already overstretched (read: utterly underfunded and inadequate).
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
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jac_the_gripper: Local people have set up an emotional and therapy support centre, aware that NHS mental health services are already overstretched (read: utterly underfunded and inadequate).
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
Awesome ... Let the rallying cry be 'Crayons' ... Crayons are The Answer
What bunch of clowns thinks that 'art therapy' in the immediate aftermath of an event like this is any sort of appropriate course of action ?
Rolls eyes and heads to bed
Night all !
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jac_the_gripper: Local people have set up an emotional and therapy support centre, aware that NHS mental health services are already overstretched (read: utterly underfunded and inadequate).
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
Art therapy is available for children and counsellors have volunteered for anyone affected by the disaster who would like to go and have a chat.
Theresa May has admitted support services on the ground have been woefully inadequate and has pledged to take action, after a two and a half hour meeting with survivors, residents and community leaders at Downing Street this afternoon.
YOU are such a keeper for many Jac. for all you hold dear and yet move progressively within a mountain of Doors.
Continue as you have for many years, to be there again!
For the people! For the Childies!
To reassure the right way, you all will stand with them
Love your way of honesty open speech,
I will support in any way,
Sophe
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HexagonKeySet: Awesome ... Let the rallying cry be 'Crayons' ... Crayons are The Answer
What bunch of clowns thinks that 'art therapy' in the immediate aftermath of an event like this is any sort of appropriate course of action ?
Rolls eyes and heads to bed
Night all !
What bunch of clowns thinks that 'art therapy' in the immediate aftermath of an event like this is any sort of appropriate course of action ?
Rolls eyes and heads to bed
Night all !
I may be wrong but I think the art work thing is positive distraction.
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crayons: hmmm...wonder why the Khan Man is so quiet...
That's why!Today is Alquds day Mayor Khan is allowing a proscribed & therefore illegal organisation to march through London flying its banners & flags. This mayor is a disgrace.
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galrads: I may be wrong but I think the art work thing is positive distraction.
I hear you ... but IMHO 'art therapy' and many others things become useful 'later on'
Kids ARE 'younger' but they are also extremely sensitive and while they may not be able to articulate as well as an adult can they 'know stuff' just as we do, in their own ways.
Imagine that YOU have lost a very close friend, or recall a time when you did ... and now imagine that some ( undoubtedly well meaning) individual offers you crayons and an adult colouring book 'as a distraction' ?
Or perhaps they are less creative and press you to go dining and dancing 'too soon' ... by that I mean 'this soon' before the bodies are recovered, before the funerals have taken place?
My best guess is that that idea is not going to sit well with you?
Children, like adults, also need to be 'allowed to experience their grief' and when that happens with support in a loving, compassionate (and not necessarily formalised therapy setting) they understand differently.
I've too many times seen 'armies of therapists' descend upon schools after a suicide of a student, death of a loved teacher in accident and be coerced into taking part in sessions they neither wanted or needed.
'Effective therapy' of any kind only occurs when the participants are willing ...
You can look at the abject failure of Court imposed 'Anger Management Treatment' programmes to see the reality of that!
( and sure, of course other opinions exist and that's the value of expression and debate ... sometimes it seems necessary to 'state' that what I write is 'my opinion' derived from my own life and experience - I'm not claiming 'rightness, infallibility or indeed anything else' in these threads! )
Sometimes we debate these things 'from afar' and lose track of the very real suffering of those who are directly or closely involved ... GB those people and let's keep them in our prayers.
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HexagonKeySet: I hear you ... but IMHO 'art therapy' and many others things become useful 'later on'
Kids ARE 'younger' but they are also extremely sensitive and while they may not be able to articulate as well as an adult can they 'know stuff' just as we do, in their own ways.
Imagine that YOU have lost a very close friend, or recall a time when you did ... and now imagine that some ( undoubtedly well meaning) individual offers you crayons and an adult colouring book 'as a distraction' ?
Or perhaps they are less creative and press you to go dining and dancing 'too soon' ... by that I mean 'this soon' before the bodies are recovered, before the funerals have taken place?
My best guess is that that idea is not going to sit well with you?
Children, like adults, also need to be 'allowed to experience their grief' and when that happens with support in a loving, compassionate (and not necessarily formalised therapy setting) they understand differently.
I've too many times seen 'armies of therapists' descend upon schools after a suicide of a student, death of a loved teacher in accident and be coerced into taking part in sessions they neither wanted or needed.
'Effective therapy' of any kind only occurs when the participants are willing ...
You can look at the abject failure of Court imposed 'Anger Management Treatment' programmes to see the reality of that!
( and sure, of course other opinions exist and that's the value of expression and debate ... sometimes it seems necessary to 'state' that what I write is 'my opinion' derived from my own life and experience - I'm not claiming 'rightness, infallibility or indeed anything else' in these threads! )
Sometimes we debate these things 'from afar' and lose track of the very real suffering of those who are directly or closely involved ... GB those people and let's keep them in our prayers.
Kids ARE 'younger' but they are also extremely sensitive and while they may not be able to articulate as well as an adult can they 'know stuff' just as we do, in their own ways.
Imagine that YOU have lost a very close friend, or recall a time when you did ... and now imagine that some ( undoubtedly well meaning) individual offers you crayons and an adult colouring book 'as a distraction' ?
Or perhaps they are less creative and press you to go dining and dancing 'too soon' ... by that I mean 'this soon' before the bodies are recovered, before the funerals have taken place?
My best guess is that that idea is not going to sit well with you?
Children, like adults, also need to be 'allowed to experience their grief' and when that happens with support in a loving, compassionate (and not necessarily formalised therapy setting) they understand differently.
I've too many times seen 'armies of therapists' descend upon schools after a suicide of a student, death of a loved teacher in accident and be coerced into taking part in sessions they neither wanted or needed.
'Effective therapy' of any kind only occurs when the participants are willing ...
You can look at the abject failure of Court imposed 'Anger Management Treatment' programmes to see the reality of that!
( and sure, of course other opinions exist and that's the value of expression and debate ... sometimes it seems necessary to 'state' that what I write is 'my opinion' derived from my own life and experience - I'm not claiming 'rightness, infallibility or indeed anything else' in these threads! )
Sometimes we debate these things 'from afar' and lose track of the very real suffering of those who are directly or closely involved ... GB those people and let's keep them in our prayers.
Well said. Not wishing to make light of anything, When I was old enough to appreciate coloring books, tv Popeye and Superman were my heros. The closest thing to a perceived loss during my childhood was when I read that Superman had died. How could that be? Watching Popeye cartoons no coloring books helped me forget about Superman's death.
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Appreciated, thank you.
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Conrad73: That's why!
Today is Alquds day Mayor Khan is allowing a proscribed & therefore illegal organisation to march through London flying its banners & flags. This mayor is a disgrace.
Today is Alquds day Mayor Khan is allowing a proscribed & therefore illegal organisation to march through London flying its banners & flags. This mayor is a disgrace.
Thanks Col. you're the only one who figured it out...
90% here could never survive in the real world
without bein on the gubmint dole or parroting
lame stream media disinfo.
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crayons: Thanks Col. you're the only one who figured it out...
90% here could never survive in the real world
without bein on the gubmint dole or parroting
lame stream media disinfo.
90% here could never survive in the real world
without bein on the gubmint dole or parroting
lame stream media disinfo.
As Henry Ford once said
" Thinking is the hardest work - which is why so few people do much of it "
And that was around seventy years or more ago
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i'm not a fan of Henry Fords political views,
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
But i'm tellin You now HexKey... try and put yerself on reserve status and Quit Spammin up the threads...Capiche?
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
But i'm tellin You now HexKey... try and put yerself on reserve status and Quit Spammin up the threads...Capiche?
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crayons: i'm not a fan of Henry Fords political views,
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
I've no admiration for Ford's political views nor his rabid anti semitism or etc ... but just because he was not an admirable human being does NOT mean he didn't ever say anything of value !
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Thank you very much, Jacs, for keeping us informed with the updates. 
This tragic incidence has surely given us and all people in charge in every country a great lesson.
This tragic incidence has surely given us and all people in charge in every country a great lesson.
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crayons: i'm not a fan of Henry Fords political views,
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
But i'm tellin You now HexKey... try and put yerself on reserve status and Quit Spammin up the threads...Capiche?
nor am i a fan of of his WW11 associates like
JP Morgan...Though it never stopped me from owning
a Mercury or two.
But i'm tellin You now HexKey... try and put yerself on reserve status and Quit Spammin up the threads...Capiche?
So far as 'spam' is concerned ... you didn't see the connection between your comment above there in reply to Conrad and that people do little thinking ?
That actually surprises me !
As for "capiche" ...
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Fortunately, various crowd funding, newspaper, Red Cross and other appeals have been launched to support those affected by the recent murders in Manchester and London.
I've not found any information regarding the government's financial support of these families. I'd appreciate it if someone else were to locate this information.