Towering inferno in England (258)
People are angry and in tears outside the church Theresa May has just visited.
Mimicking her election slogan, one man said the burnt out tower block was more strong and stable than 'that woman' 's government.
Some 500 people have marched to Downing Street where the general secretary of the fire brigades union said the lessons the government said they wanted to learn from Grenfell were learned 40 years ago.
Mimicking her election slogan, one man said the burnt out tower block was more strong and stable than 'that woman' 's government.
Some 500 people have marched to Downing Street where the general secretary of the fire brigades union said the lessons the government said they wanted to learn from Grenfell were learned 40 years ago.
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The crowd is thought to have swelled to 1,000. There are angry cries calling for Theresa May to go.
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jac_the_gripper: People are angry and in tears outside the church Theresa May has just visited.
Mimicking her election slogan, one man said the burnt out tower block was more strong and stable than 'that woman' 's government.
Some 500 people have marched to Downing Street where the general secretary of the fire brigades union said the lessons the government said they wanted to learn from Grenfell were learned 40 years ago.
Mimicking her election slogan, one man said the burnt out tower block was more strong and stable than 'that woman' 's government.
Some 500 people have marched to Downing Street where the general secretary of the fire brigades union said the lessons the government said they wanted to learn from Grenfell were learned 40 years ago.
People are angry and so they should be and I'm glad the people are taking a stance on this by protesting.
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There appears to be a number of marches. Police have prevented one group from going any further.
I'm guessing they're trying to avoid all of them meeting up outside 10 Downing Street.
I'm guessing they're trying to avoid all of them meeting up outside 10 Downing Street.
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Protests are uncommon in the UK foyer these days because of police heavy handed tactics. People are usually too frightened to even peacefully protest.
I'm glad the people are protesting, too. I'm glad they are able to with the police taking a much softer approach than usual, dressed in uniform, or overalls rather than riot gear.
Emotions are running so understandably high, however, I still have concerns that people are going to get hurt.
I'm glad the people are protesting, too. I'm glad they are able to with the police taking a much softer approach than usual, dressed in uniform, or overalls rather than riot gear.
Emotions are running so understandably high, however, I still have concerns that people are going to get hurt.
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Police allowed protesters to stop at key points around London. I:m not sure that's happened for about 30 years.
I've just read a poignant report of the dispersal of one of the crowds, seemingly spent of emotion.
The people must be running on their reserve tanks after all they've been through.
I've just read a poignant report of the dispersal of one of the crowds, seemingly spent of emotion.
The people must be running on their reserve tanks after all they've been through.
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Thanks everyone for there contributions in this thread, especially Jac. This situation and developments are of particular interest for me. 
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just read corbyn & the marxist wants to confiscate
so called bank owned properties to put up the
undesirables...also read that many are suspicious;
and that this is just one of three terrorist acts.
quote"3 nights in a row, in muslim populated areas???????. #GrenfellTower #Walthamstowfire #shadwellfire pic.twitter.com/C4OdMvYiZ8
so called bank owned properties to put up the
undesirables...also read that many are suspicious;
and that this is just one of three terrorist acts.
quote"3 nights in a row, in muslim populated areas???????. #GrenfellTower #Walthamstowfire #shadwellfire pic.twitter.com/C4OdMvYiZ8
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It wasn't just the survivors who were displaced on Wednesday night. Dwellings close by the tower were also evacuated amid fears that the tower might collapse.
Some people stayed with friends and family, but there were stories coming out about people walking the streets, sleeping in the park, or in their cars and camping until temporary accommodation could be found.
Yesterday, (Friday) people were still using church halls, community centres and the local sports centre for refuge. The public and local businesses organised these temporary shelters with hundreds of mattresses on the floor.
Food, clothing and toiletries have been donated by the public and local businesses. A local mobile phone shop opened its doors for people to make phone calls and charge their phones.
Likewise, the emotional support has been provided by volunteers, centering around local churches and community centres. Only the families of the confirmed dead have had support from police liason officers.
It's been chaotic and unco-ordinated, an ex-army serviceman who volunteered describing the scenes as bad as anything he'd ever seen in war.
The local council have now provided temporary accommodation in hostels and hotels for everyone displaced, but have yet to be seen at the scene.
There was a report that some survivors had hand delivered letters from the council with threats of legal action for anti-social behaviour because their children had been playing ball games in prohibited areas around the tower before it burnt down. The letters were dated on Wednesday, so were written while the building was ablaze, while people were dying and while those pesky children were being thrown out of windows by their desperate parents.
Some people stayed with friends and family, but there were stories coming out about people walking the streets, sleeping in the park, or in their cars and camping until temporary accommodation could be found.
Yesterday, (Friday) people were still using church halls, community centres and the local sports centre for refuge. The public and local businesses organised these temporary shelters with hundreds of mattresses on the floor.
Food, clothing and toiletries have been donated by the public and local businesses. A local mobile phone shop opened its doors for people to make phone calls and charge their phones.
Likewise, the emotional support has been provided by volunteers, centering around local churches and community centres. Only the families of the confirmed dead have had support from police liason officers.
It's been chaotic and unco-ordinated, an ex-army serviceman who volunteered describing the scenes as bad as anything he'd ever seen in war.
The local council have now provided temporary accommodation in hostels and hotels for everyone displaced, but have yet to be seen at the scene.
There was a report that some survivors had hand delivered letters from the council with threats of legal action for anti-social behaviour because their children had been playing ball games in prohibited areas around the tower before it burnt down. The letters were dated on Wednesday, so were written while the building was ablaze, while people were dying and while those pesky children were being thrown out of windows by their desperate parents.
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jac_the_gripper: It wasn't just the survivors who were displaced on Wednesday night. Dwellings close by the tower were also evacuated amid fears that the tower might collapse.
Some people stayed with friends and family, but there were stories coming out about people walking the streets, sleeping in the park, or in their cars and camping until temporary accommodation could be found.
Yesterday, (Friday) people were still using church halls, community centres and the local sports centre for refuge. The public and local businesses organised these temporary shelters with hundreds of mattresses on the floor.
Food, clothing and toiletries have been donated by the public and local businesses. A local mobile phone shop opened its doors for people to make phone calls and charge their phones.
Likewise, the emotional support has been provided by volunteers, centering around local churches and community centres. Only the families of the confirmed dead have had support from police liason officers.
It's been chaotic and unco-ordinated, an ex-army serviceman who volunteered describing the scenes as bad as anything he'd ever seen in war.
The local council have now provided temporary accommodation in hostels and hotels for everyone displaced, but have yet to be seen at the scene.
There was a report that some survivors had hand delivered letters from the council with threats of legal action for anti-social behaviour because their children had been playing ball games in prohibited areas around the tower before it burnt down. The letters were dated on Wednesday, so were written while the building was ablaze, while people were dying and while those pesky children were being thrown out of windows by their desperate parents.
Some people stayed with friends and family, but there were stories coming out about people walking the streets, sleeping in the park, or in their cars and camping until temporary accommodation could be found.
Yesterday, (Friday) people were still using church halls, community centres and the local sports centre for refuge. The public and local businesses organised these temporary shelters with hundreds of mattresses on the floor.
Food, clothing and toiletries have been donated by the public and local businesses. A local mobile phone shop opened its doors for people to make phone calls and charge their phones.
Likewise, the emotional support has been provided by volunteers, centering around local churches and community centres. Only the families of the confirmed dead have had support from police liason officers.
It's been chaotic and unco-ordinated, an ex-army serviceman who volunteered describing the scenes as bad as anything he'd ever seen in war.
The local council have now provided temporary accommodation in hostels and hotels for everyone displaced, but have yet to be seen at the scene.
There was a report that some survivors had hand delivered letters from the council with threats of legal action for anti-social behaviour because their children had been playing ball games in prohibited areas around the tower before it burnt down. The letters were dated on Wednesday, so were written while the building was ablaze, while people were dying and while those pesky children were being thrown out of windows by their desperate parents.
It's amazing how people come together to help each other in spite of the governments reluctance to. I simply can't wrap my head around the fact that the government there isn't doing much more for these people....shame on them.
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hmmm...wonder why the Khan Man is so quiet...
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Hello Jac
They, are so scrambling to find a way out of blame.
They, are so scrambling to find a way out of blame.
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Jac
I was up at 4.00am this morning and watched before work, an item on 6.00am NZ TV One with a Building Engineer, he basically said, there are buildings along the same lines.
When asked why? because restrictions are great.
He said, they are out there.
Saw the look on his face.
I was up at 4.00am this morning and watched before work, an item on 6.00am NZ TV One with a Building Engineer, he basically said, there are buildings along the same lines.
When asked why? because restrictions are great.
He said, they are out there.
Saw the look on his face.
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It’s not a stretch to say that environmentalists were partly responsible for the death of at least 17 people (and likely many more) when a fire engulfed a high-rise building Wednesday in London.
The cause of the fire is known, but the environmental cladding – or exterior insulation – created what The Daily Caller is describing as a “chimney effect” that cause the fire to rapidly spread upwards. The Grenfell Tower was clad in the environmentally friendly exterior in 2015 as part of a $13 million retrofit.
The cladding is used to make buildings more energy sustainable and meet “green energy” regulations. There are almost 30,000 similarly clad buildings across the United Kingdom with the inexpensive cladding.
Speaking to The Telegraph, fire officials said they were shocked at how fast the inferno spread.
“I have never seen a fire that has engulfed an entire building like this in a career of more than 30 years,” Matt Wrack, who heads the Fire Brigades Union, said.
“It could be that this is the quest for sustainability trumping other concerns,” echoed Dr. Jim Glockling of the Fire Protection Association.
“There has been an emerging body of evidence surrounding some of the materials being used and now we have an appalling demonstration of what can happen,” Glockling said.
As a result of the retrofit, Grenfell Tower became more energy efficient, but the space between the cladding and the building increased the potential damage from fires, leaving hundreds of residents at the fire’s mercy.
“There were explosions everywhere you looked, lots of bangs, blue gas coming out everywhere you looked,” Mickey Paramasivan told The Telegraph.
“About 12 floors up I saw three children waving from a window and then there was just an explosion and they disappeared,” he said. “They were three kids, they were banging on the windows, you could see their silhouettes and then bang, it just went up.”
The dangers of “cladding” have been known for years. A blog post by the Grenfell Action Group in November 2016 warned that “only a catastrophic event” would bring attention to the building’s issue.
Government officials cautioned against the risks of cladding since at least 1999, according to The Telegraph. This is the tragic consequence of not heeding to those warnings.
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The burnt out Grenfell tower has been described as a ghastly tomb, symbolic of the Conservative's austerity measures over the Cameron-Osborne-May era.
Fire fighters have described their hellish experience, fearful that the building would collapse and hearing screams in all directions, especially from children, but not being able to see where people were to be able to get to them. One crew member said, the sight of the fire engines below must have given people hope that we'd actually be able to get them out.
Fire fighters have described their hellish experience, fearful that the building would collapse and hearing screams in all directions, especially from children, but not being able to see where people were to be able to get to them. One crew member said, the sight of the fire engines below must have given people hope that we'd actually be able to get them out.
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It has been reported that some people are still sleeping on floors of emergency shelters, four days after the fire.
The local shopping complex offered to rehouse everyone and pay for their needs indefinitely, but the local council turned them down.
Train lines above and below ground in the area have been closed following renewed fears that the tower may collapse as recovery work by the fire brigades continues.
Jeremy Corbyn has written an open letter to Theresa May outlining a number of expectations, including that survivors are not re-charged for replacing documentation such as passports and asylum papers. He has called for funeral costs to be covered, as well as visas and costs granted to family members overseas so they may attend funerals and inquiry hearings.
The government has pledged £5M to her help those affected rebuild their lives. The public have raised over £3M so far as well as tonnes and tonnes of clothes, food and toiletries as donations continue to pour in.
As further justice for Grenfell planned for today has been postponed, but many thousands are expected to attend a March on Whitehall to protest the possibility of a deal between the conservatives and the right wing DUP.
The local shopping complex offered to rehouse everyone and pay for their needs indefinitely, but the local council turned them down.
Train lines above and below ground in the area have been closed following renewed fears that the tower may collapse as recovery work by the fire brigades continues.
Jeremy Corbyn has written an open letter to Theresa May outlining a number of expectations, including that survivors are not re-charged for replacing documentation such as passports and asylum papers. He has called for funeral costs to be covered, as well as visas and costs granted to family members overseas so they may attend funerals and inquiry hearings.
The government has pledged £5M to her help those affected rebuild their lives. The public have raised over £3M so far as well as tonnes and tonnes of clothes, food and toiletries as donations continue to pour in.
As further justice for Grenfell planned for today has been postponed, but many thousands are expected to attend a March on Whitehall to protest the possibility of a deal between the conservatives and the right wing DUP.
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jac_the_gripper: It has been reported that some people are still sleeping on floors of emergency shelters, four days after the fire.
The local shopping complex offered to rehouse everyone and pay for their needs indefinitely, but the local council turned them down.
Train lines above and below ground in the area have been closed following renewed fears that the tower may collapse as recovery work by the fire brigades continues.
Jeremy Corbyn has written an open letter to Theresa May outlining a number of expectations, including that survivors are not re-charged for replacing documentation such as passports and asylum papers. He has called for funeral costs to be covered, as well as visas and costs granted to family members overseas so they may attend funerals and inquiry hearings.
The government has pledged £5M to her help those affected rebuild their lives. The public have raised over £3M so far as well as tonnes and tonnes of clothes, food and toiletries as donations continue to pour in.
As further justice for Grenfell planned for today has been postponed, but many thousands are expected to attend a March on Whitehall to protest the possibility of a deal between the conservatives and the right wing DUP.
The local shopping complex offered to rehouse everyone and pay for their needs indefinitely, but the local council turned them down.
Train lines above and below ground in the area have been closed following renewed fears that the tower may collapse as recovery work by the fire brigades continues.
Jeremy Corbyn has written an open letter to Theresa May outlining a number of expectations, including that survivors are not re-charged for replacing documentation such as passports and asylum papers. He has called for funeral costs to be covered, as well as visas and costs granted to family members overseas so they may attend funerals and inquiry hearings.
The government has pledged £5M to her help those affected rebuild their lives. The public have raised over £3M so far as well as tonnes and tonnes of clothes, food and toiletries as donations continue to pour in.
As further justice for Grenfell planned for today has been postponed, but many thousands are expected to attend a March on Whitehall to protest the possibility of a deal between the conservatives and the right wing DUP.
Is this going to turn into another big cover up .
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And if there is any money left over......will that go to the people who have lost loved ones....after 3 terrorist attacks......just thought I,d ask.........
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London Fire Brigade have updated their earlier statement saying that the train lines have been closed while they secure debris in danger of falling on the track. They are not currently fearful of the structural integrity of the building as as a whole.
A police press briefing scheduled for 1pm has been postponed to 3.15pm.
Survivors, residents, faith leaders and volunteers are at Downing Street to meet with Theresa May.
A police press briefing scheduled for 1pm has been postponed to 3.15pm.
Survivors, residents, faith leaders and volunteers are at Downing Street to meet with Theresa May.
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An angry member of the public has called on people to March to Downing Street tonight. How he said Theresa May is not fit to be the prime minister.
Earlier, Theresa May visited a church involved in supporting the local residents affected by the fire. She is reported to have entered and left the building without speaking to residents waiting outside for her visit.