Towering inferno in England ( Archived) (258)

Jun 18, 2017 11:18 PM CST Towering inferno in England
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
HexagonKeySet: I trust that you'll not be surprised to have your sentiment expressed above returned to you as an unwanted gift!


Never reply in regards for what you do not know.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:34 PM CST Towering inferno in England
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
sophiasummer: Never reply in regards for what you do not know.



Is that also available in 'coherent' as opposed to incoherent?

grin
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Jun 19, 2017 4:16 AM CST Towering inferno in England
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
The number of dead, or missing presumed dead has risen to 79.

Five people have been formally identified, five people reported missing have been found alive and well.

The death toll is expected to rise, but not as dramatically as it has over the last few days.

It may not be possible to identify all the bodies. After a description of three children disappearing in an explosion after being seen banging on a window, that may mean some families may not get to bury their children.

The Metropolitan police commander Stuart Cundy has been to the top floor of the building and has said that it's hard to describe the scenes of devastation. He is reported to be struggling to maintain his composure during press announcements.
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Jun 19, 2017 5:17 AM CST Towering inferno in England
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
As I understand it, art therapy can be as simple, or complex as any talking, or other emotional therapy.

It's particularly suitable for people who struggle to articulate verbally, so that might include children, or those unable to verbalise their trauma for any number of reasons. Some people's cognitive processing is simply more visual, or tactile than others.

Art therapy can take many forms, using many different materials. Having attended a seminar about art therapy which included snippets of case studies, it's quite incredible how people can make breakthroughs and progress with their personal development with the aid of a lump of clay.

A lot of talking therapies will use concrete tools, for example a collection of stones, shells, or buttons, for use in a symbolic representation of a dynamic. It can externalism a trauma or difficulty allowing a client to view their history maybe more objectively for a moment in time. It can be surprisingly powerful.

Of course, individuals have different needs, or approaches which should be client lead. Therapists who, or centres which can provide a number of tools for clients to use can provide a more client lead approach.

The group of people who have volunteered their skills for those affected by the fire have INVITED people to use those facilities if they wish. No one will be forced to use a voluntary service and I imagine given the scale of those affected, they're going to be hard pushed to meet the demand. There's only so much a therapist can do in a day for a number of reasons.

Those affected may be survivors, but they may also include family members, friends, evacuees from neighbouring buildings, witnesses, other tower block residents who may be experiencing a high level of anxiety for their own family's safety, volunteers and other people working in support roles.

If the service can provide some support for the support workers, or people searching for loved ones alone, so they can carry on with their roles, then it's a very valuable resource. I doubt very much they're expecting to 'cure' survivors - that's not how it works.

The Therapists in turn will be supported emotionally, practically and ethically by supervision. The chances are they will be paying for this themselves, unless they are affiliated to some kind of charity who can afford to pay the high costs of supervision, or supervisor's also volunteer their time.
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Jun 19, 2017 5:56 AM CST Towering inferno in England
yubba
yubbayubbaCaspe, Aragon Spain11 Threads 1,962 Posts
Kalpataru: Thank you very much, Jacs, for keeping us informed with the updates.
This tragic incidence has surely given us and all people in charge in every country a great lesson.


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No idea why....................the one in Madrid never did.
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Jun 19, 2017 7:18 PM CST Towering inferno in England
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
HexagonKeySet: Appreciated, thank you.


I would like to apologize for my comment towards you.
I am sorry.

Sophie
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Jun 20, 2017 1:50 AM CST Towering inferno in England
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
HexagonKeySet: "“Appreciated, thank you.”"




sophiasummer: I would like to apologize for my comment towards you.
I am sorry.

Sophie




And so you should professor

But sorry does'nt cut it!! scold


In Kiwi law it is written writing

You must take Mr Hexy a meaty bone from a sheep, cook it ungerground and wrap it in cabbage leaves (or s/thing like that), and then ask for forgivness conversing .... that is the way professor
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Jun 20, 2017 2:18 AM CST Towering inferno in England
Lookin4missright: HexagonKeySet: "“Appreciated, thank you.”"








And so you should

But sorry does'nt cut it!!


In Kiwi law it is written

You must take Mr Hexy a meaty bone from a sheep, cook it ungerground and wrap it in cabbage leaves (or s/thing like that), and then ask for forgivness .... that is the way

OMG,that sounds like Vodo,Obeah or Santeria!wow uh oh laugh
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Jun 20, 2017 2:30 AM CST Towering inferno in England
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Conrad73: OMG,that sounds like Vodo,Obeah or Santeria!



Most would think diarea rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing conversing laugh

What lingo is that in Conny ???

I have google back typing ? laugh
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Jun 20, 2017 3:37 PM CST Towering inferno in England
JessicaDallas
JessicaDallasJessicaDallasCap. Fed., Buenos Aires Argentina1 Threads 1 Polls 42 Posts
Are there other buildings where this material has been used?
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Jun 20, 2017 6:22 PM CST Towering inferno in England
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
jac_the_gripper: As I understand it, art therapy can be as simple, or complex as any talking, or other emotional therapy.

Edited to save space .


I'm not denying the value of art therapy at an appropriate time ... but one would that would be much later and in response to 'observed signs of difficulty' in recovering from grief and loss.

Attempting ANY sort of "therapeutic intervention" so very soon, and we are talking here of even before the funerals have taken place is known to have the potential more harm than good - because it's an interference with each person's own inherent competence / capability / natural processes ... and there's evidence to suggest that 'too early' leads to a lessening of a person's own capability ( as they believe they 'have to' have help ) and may lead to 'learned helplessness' and / or a belief in their own inadequacy / inadequacy to help one one another etc.

Additionally, when people are under stress they may find it harder to REFUSE to take part in 'XYZ' believing (mistakenly) that if they refuse one thing they may be denied access to other things...

There's a tendency these recent years for swarms of therapists to descend on every human tragedy and it's not unreasonable to question the value of such mass interventions.

ANY form of therapy is most likely to be effective when it's 'sought out' by a person who has 'self-identified' some area of their life with which they are having difficulty and the resolve to 'deal with that'.

Person's who are 'referred to' therapists ( ie sent / told they NEED therapy ) almost without exception derive far less benefit from the time spent and may indeed suffer as a result of their encounters!
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Jun 20, 2017 9:46 PM CST Towering inferno in England
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
Lookin4missright: HexagonKeySet: "“Appreciated, thank you.”"








And so you should

But sorry does'nt cut it!!


In Kiwi law it is written

You must take Mr Hexy a meaty bone from a sheep, cook it ungerground and wrap it in cabbage leaves (or s/thing like that), and then ask for forgivness .... that is the way


You idiot
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Jun 20, 2017 10:13 PM CST Towering inferno in England
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
sophiasummer: You idiot


WH000oooo...you ladies are on fire tonight!
lIGHTS FLASHIN, MUSIC PLAYIN LOUD...
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Jun 20, 2017 10:47 PM CST Towering inferno in England
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
crayons: WH000oooo...you ladies are on fire tonight!
lIGHTS FLASHIN, MUSIC PLAYIN LOUD...


Oh Crayons!
of course!

Lights shining,music, well..just nice.
As you, no need to protect him.

He'll wrap himself up in cabbage.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:51 PM CST Towering inferno in England
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
I read the toll was up to 78.
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Jun 21, 2017 1:23 AM CST Towering inferno in England
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
79 as of two days ago, I'm afraid, Soph.

I would imagine it might have gone up since then, but they're holding off from daily press announcements until a final, or as near to final figure can be released.
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Jun 21, 2017 2:09 AM CST Towering inferno in England
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
sophiasummer: You idiot



Oi!! You shoot possums conversing


They're living breathing god's/whoever's creation happy place blues


They are in your roof for a reason lub conversing

We humans chop down their homes (trees etc) dunno

You can't sleep or whatever sleep

So you shoot them
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like Annie Oakley
dunno

Sorry hug but you call me an idiot (which i know i deserve) thumbs up


Just next time you shoot anything that is hungry and trying to find a warm place to sleep and try their best to protect their liitlins because you/us humans want peace peace


I bet you would'nt shoot Bixxy if he/she was causing a nuisense and fending for it's kids eh?


Animal lubber Australia
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Jun 21, 2017 3:00 AM CST Towering inferno in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Well we have the poor living in death traps, the sick killing themselves under new welfare rules, and the neglected mentally unwell driving trucks down the pavement. I'm not surprised at all that Corbyn held the Tories to a hung parliament. When you treat people this way what can you expect except they vote communist as they did?
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Jun 21, 2017 3:05 AM CST Towering inferno in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Well we have the poor living in death traps, the sick killing themselves under new welfare rules, and the neglected mentally unwell driving trucks down the pavement. I'm not surprised at all that Corbyn held the Tories to a hung parliament. When you treat people this way what can you expect except they vote communist as they did?


One reason for the terrorism we see in the world today is the lack of a genuine left-wing terrorist movement. Come drive your trucks down the pavement of a leafy suburb in Bath, blow up ATOS HQ, burn down the stock exchange etc.
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Jun 21, 2017 3:30 AM CST Towering inferno in England
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: One reason for the terrorism we see in the world today is the lack of a genuine left-wing terrorist movement. Come drive your trucks down the pavement of a leafy suburb in Bath, blow up ATOS HQ, burn down the stock exchange etc.


Remember that the only reason we ever did get anything nice - the only reason we have the NHS - was due to the threat of international labour. Liberals believe that we mustn't act ourselves and we must submit to the overwhelming need to obey in the blind hope that the pity of the rich will continue to finance our public services.

But pity alone is not going to do it. We have to give wealthy society a taste of what the violent cesspool of pre-welfare society feels like. For over 30 years the rich and middling have borrowed for their own crime insurance and riot prevention(the welfare state)through debt because they won't pay the taxes which keep them safe and provide a nice society to live in. Debt allowed them to be greedy without any short-term consequences, the rich have enjoyed 30 years of civil society courtesy of the national debt, and now that the debt isn't an option guilt-tripping and begging will NOT get the rich to "pay" their share. People must turn to increasingly extreme measures to defend themselves.
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