jlw45: another believer in the right, left paradigm, huh??...obama has spent more money than any president in history, in three months....and if he's for "change"...where is the exit strategy for iraq??...why are they gearing up for pakistan??...why are they still giving bail outs, and not knowing where the last bail out went??...
the only change a politician knows, is the change they give back to the public after taxing the hell out of 'em for trillions and trillions, on top of trillions....now that i mention it, who's gonna pay for all these trillions being spent ??...the politicians??...if they were, they would'nt spend a dime
I just bought the dvd W. Crikey...if he is just a fraction the idiot he is portrayed, I'm voting for my Apartment manager from here on out...at least she has great tit's.
I already have a great choice to portray 'Yomama' when the time comes...Alfred E Newman!
Now you're getting all biblical..,what with your recent resurrection and all!
LOL...Not likely Fil. If I walked into a church today the roof would probably collapse. It's probably just the Obama thread..the Messiah and all that business.
WhatUwish4: LOL...Not likely Fil. If I walked into a church today the roof would probably collapse. It's probably just the Obama thread..the Messiah and all that business.
Well, we've heard of a high pitched voice shattering crystal...
But your graceful walk tearing down the Church walls ...more power to you, K!
venere08: Well, we've heard of a high pitched voice shattering crystal...
But your graceful walk tearing down the Church walls ...more power to you, K!
well, I have enough respect for organized religion not to do anything destructive, but it's possible the good Lord would be so shocked the roof might fall in.
I think that I have put together a few dots on why the Stimulus packages to the banks is not getting to main street USA. Banks are not lending to the car companies to aid them. SBA loans are hard to come by. Follow a little.
Yesterday, Fed Treasury Chairman Geither said to a questioning Peking University student asking about the security of the $770b Chinese Investment into the USA (mostly thru T-bills).
Geither replied.."the USA financial institutions are the most deepest and liquid in the world."
Where as President Obama only a couple of weeks ago said..... 'we are out of money. Into deep deficits.'
So what gives? Who is talking straight to the issue of the countries financial liquidity. They both are and they both are talking smoke.
Geither is in reference to the banks that the two TARP financial package went into. Obama is talking about the countries budget, expenses and revenues.
A individual US citizen can buy T-Bill directly from the FED Gov't. But a foreign party or gov't cannot. They don't have the social security number or other numbers for such a transaction. But banks 'bundle' T-Bills and other government financial paper for foreign parties to buy. They act like 'holding companies' in this business, and its is a very legal business activity.
Those socialist Chinese....wanting interest and principle security on their investment in the US. They almost sound like capitalist nation. :-) But Geither's answer had to leave the Chinese student a little confused, in that the US banks were only 8 months ago in a liquity crisis not seen since the great depression.
And here is where both are blowing smoke. The banks were bailed out by the FED gov't...now they have sold billions to the Chinese and other foreign investors in paper....the banks are holding the FED bailout money to cover the interest and secure the principles to these foreign investors. That reduces the amount of FED bailout money for main street America.
Now who is being greedy, Stress? Vinny? Janski? Obama administration is double dipping the well some. They tell foreign investors...all is well in the US. They tell US citizens we are bankrupt. In the mean time, GM and Crystler cannot get bank loans or bailouts to keep going.
And if the FED fails to make pay on the paper, guess who owns the US banks?
Also remember when Barry Franks said 'we need to reconsider what money is." The FED Gov't under Obama is shifting to financial paper (e.g. T-Bills and other paper), from real estate based economy. Is what I think.
Well if you gotten this far in this lengthy post. Now consider the $6000b in the global diarivites market that the banks have made. That the Obama administration now wants to regulate the speculation in this market.
My thinking is this here. The Obama administration sees this massive market as competition to its FED paper markets. Best way to restrict a market and gain competitive advantage.....regulate it.
ttom500: I think that I have put together a few dots on why the Stimulus packages to the banks is not getting to main street USA. Banks are not lending to the car companies to aid them. SBA loans are hard to come by. Follow a little.
Yesterday, Fed Treasury Chairman Geither said to a questioning Peking University student asking about the security of the $770b Chinese Investment into the USA (mostly thru T-bills).
Geither replied.."the USA financial institutions are the most deepest and liquid in the world."
Where as President Obama only a couple of weeks ago said..... 'we are out of money. Into deep deficits.'
So what gives? Who is talking straight to the issue of the countries financial liquidity. They both are and they both are talking smoke.
Geither is in reference to the banks that the two TARP financial package went into. Obama is talking about the countries budget, expenses and revenues.
A individual US citizen can buy T-Bill directly from the FED Gov't. But a foreign party or gov't cannot. They don't have the social security number or other numbers for such a transaction. But banks 'bundle' T-Bills and other government financial paper for foreign parties to buy. They act like 'holding companies' in this business, and its is a very legal business activity.
Those socialist Chinese....wanting interest and principle security on their investment in the US. They almost sound like capitalist nation. :-) But Geither's answer had to leave the Chinese student a little confused, in that the US banks were only 8 months ago in a liquity crisis not seen since the great depression.
And here is where both are blowing smoke. The banks were bailed out by the FED gov't...now they have sold billions to the Chinese and other foreign investors in paper....the banks are holding the FED bailout money to cover the interest and secure the principles to these foreign investors. That reduces the amount of FED bailout money for main street America.
Now who is being greedy, Stress? Vinny? Janski? Obama administration is double dipping the well some. They tell foreign investors...all is well in the US. They tell US citizens we are bankrupt. In the mean time, GM and Crystler cannot get bank loans or bailouts to keep going.
And if the FED fails to make pay on the paper, guess who owns the US banks?
Also remember when Barry Franks said 'we need to reconsider what money is." The FED Gov't under Obama is shifting to financial paper (e.g. T-Bills and other paper), from real estate based economy. Is what I think.
Well if you gotten this far in this lengthy post. Now consider the $6000b in the global diarivites market that the banks have made. That the Obama administration now wants to regulate the speculation in this market.
My thinking is this here. The Obama administration sees this massive market as competition to its FED paper markets. Best way to restrict a market and gain competitive advantage.....regulate it.
Greed will get you every time.
I wish we could give them credit for that thought.............but I simply think it's more that our congress has absolutely no business sense what so ever . AND, They handed out TARP money to the banks with absolutely NO requirements ! None ! This leads me to believe that alot of this has to do with alot of bank CEO's are buddies with alot of congressmen ......... JMO So, I don't blame Obama , I blame a tatally corrupt congress !
WhatUwish4: It was fun though, wasn't it?? Nothing like a little witty debate between friends. Sure beats the regular warfare that goes on around here.
jvaski: I wish we could give them credit for that thought.............but I simply think it's more that our congress has absolutely no business sense what so ever . AND, They handed out TARP money to the banks with absolutely NO requirements ! None ! This leads me to believe that alot of this has to do with alot of bank CEO's are buddies with alot of congressmen ......... JMO So, I don't blame Obama , I blame a tatally corrupt congress !
I would buy your answer, Jvaski ...if President Obama and his Treasury Chairman were on the same page. But they are telling opposite stories here.
jvaski: I wish we could give them credit for that thought.............but I simply think it's more that our congress has absolutely no business sense what so ever . AND, They handed out TARP money to the banks with absolutely NO requirements ! None ! This leads me to believe that alot of this has to do with alot of bank CEO's are buddies with alot of congressmen ......... JMO So, I don't blame Obama , I blame a tatally corrupt congress !
I don't think they have any business sense either, but they sure were slick when it came to organizing and adding in all those hundreds of special interest allocations in the "economic recovery" package. I can't help but think that whole bailout bru-ha-ha was made to look twice as urgent as it was just so they could push their personal agenda through. A big smoke screen. Unfortunately, it ended up causing a very real, very big world problem ....
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the only change a politician knows, is the change they give back to the public after taxing the hell out of 'em for trillions and trillions, on top of trillions....now that i mention it, who's gonna pay for all these trillions being spent ??...the politicians??...if they were, they would'nt spend a dime
Did I really invite you to come visit me ?