Hot_Single_Dude: Let,em all freese to a certain Death if they are really guilty of what they are charged for! But dont forget to give them all a fair trial and proof their guilt as any other human beings have the right to in civilised countries with fair systems of justice! If there is a need for a totaly new prison for countaining those who are really guilty, so what the heck......it will be a great working place and it will be an honor to work there and being the first wall of defence agaisnt terrorism and America needs new and well paid jobs for sure.
Nah.....we would bring them inside for hot coca and smorse after 4 to 6 hours in sub zero temps.
But I do like offer to build a new prison here. Denmark is going to pick up the costs? As President Obama said....we are out of money. With deep deficits.
I will have my people contact your people and we can begin to firm up the Denmark funding for the new President Obama Federal Government GITMO Prison......now for a site.......hmmmmmmmmm some prime real estate in Alaska is open I hear.....near that bridge to now where.
What do you think about the concept of "United Nations Territorial Sanctions"?
Before you jump off the deep end. Let me explain it some.
With both Iran and North Korea thumbing their noses at UN sanctions (that mainly are financial and trade based). My thinking is that maybe the UN needs a new sanction with more teeth.
Sanction on these two is going what going on 12 years now? Say sanction to them and they shrug their shoulders. Then go launch new missile and test nucs.
A territorial sanction works like this. The UN actually take part or a area of their country under control. Maybe just a small area....like a missile launch site or a nuclear plant....the UN now controls the site and get evidence at the site for illegal weapon making.
One of the problems that was had in the Iraqi WMDs is that though the inspectors could get to a site, they could not control it. It remained under Iraqi control. This kind of sanction changes that. They could now control the site.
Loosing part of your country, specially if it is a missile launch site or a nuc plant, forces a leader and gov't to consider it actions a great deal more.
But here is the kicker and the problem. Iran and North Korea will see these kind of sanctions as acts of war. One of the reasons NKorea voided the 1953 ceasefire is that one of the parties is the UN.
But if the UN General Body and Security Council put their e full weight (meaning the entire UN body goes to war with a country refusing a territorial sanction).....I doubt that Iran or NKorea would take them on to keep soverinighty over a facility lose.
What do you think? Far lefters could agree on approving such a UN Sanction? Conservative righties could I think.
One last thing to consider. When the UN does a ceasefire with a DMZ.....that is very close to being a territorial sanction.
Tater: Word on the street is DUD'S getting a promotion from OBUMMER.................. The rumor has it that DUD is going to be the new CS CZAR so indy and Conrad watch out he maybe able to bannish or rewrite your posts, until you two complete the new Obummer re-education, indoctrination, brain washing classes
I only "rewrite" posts of those who know what's really going on in the world.
Hot_Single_Dude: Some of them really killing and torturing others with a wide smile and doing it so calmly as if nothing unusual is happening and every thing is just all right..........
It is scarey to think how come some human beings can go so law and what makes some human beings allowing them selves deceived and supporting the forces of darkness!
Greed is such a BIT**!!!!!!!!!! Greed makes some people becoming monsters and not any kind of resonable talks and proofs and not any thing else is ever able to get through the tick heads of these guys!
Enemies of Freedom and enemies of Equality and enemies of Peace and enemies of Humanity hidden them selves behind flags and Bibles and what ever means they can cheat other human beings with and calling others names and then rulling above those who allow them selves beind deceived!
I am so absoloutely thankfull to the great majority of our american firends who sent those kind of monsters a way and made us all able to smile for real after eight years of ever Fear on the entire planet !
Republicans = greed, selfishness, I'm better than you (I'll even steal from you to prove it), obsessed with war in places they don't belong, etc. etc. etc.
What do you think about the concept of "United Nations Territorial Sanctions"?
Before you jump off the deep end. Let me explain it some.
With both Iran and North Korea thumbing their noses at UN sanctions (that mainly are financial and trade based). My thinking is that maybe the UN needs a new sanction with more teeth.
Sanction on these two is going what going on 12 years now? Say sanction to them and they shrug their shoulders. Then go launch new missile and test nucs.
A territorial sanction works like this. The UN actually take part or a area of their country under control. Maybe just a small area....like a missile launch site or a nuclear plant....the UN now controls the site and get evidence at the site for illegal weapon making.
One of the problems that was had in the Iraqi WMDs is that though the inspectors could get to a site, they could not control it. It remained under Iraqi control. This kind of sanction changes that. They could now control the site.
Loosing part of your country, specially if it is a missile launch site or a nuc plant, forces a leader and gov't to consider it actions a great deal more.
But here is the kicker and the problem. Iran and North Korea will see these kind of sanctions as acts of war. One of the reasons NKorea voided the 1953 ceasefire is that one of the parties is the UN.
But if the UN General Body and Security Council put their e full weight (meaning the entire UN body goes to war with a country refusing a territorial sanction).....I doubt that Iran or NKorea would take them on to keep soverinighty over a facility lose.
What do you think? Far lefters could agree on approving such a UN Sanction? Conservative righties could I think.
One last thing to consider. When the UN does a ceasefire with a DMZ.....that is very close to being a territorial sanction.
I would finely getting along with much more power to the United Nations rather than too much power to some few countries around the world for sure! thats whould be the whole idea regarding United Nations! It should be United Nations against crooks because all nations should be United fighting against unjustice!
I guess your ideas can not become reality at all. I suggest all nations which have mass killings weapons should give the conrol of those to the United Nations and that inculdes America and China and Russia and France and Israel and Britania and the rest of the members of the club as well, as the first step of disarming the whole planet and getting rid of those stupied weapons for ever! If no countries having that sh** then we will all be much more safe for sure!
What is the meaning of those stupied weapons with so huge power of destruction is any way? We dont like your leaders then we probabely burning millions of you to ashes and making the rest of you getting cancer and dying later and making your kids and grand kids and their kids physichally handicapped as we did in Japan!!!? The whole idea a bout having these weapons it self is so barbaric I beleive!Planet Earth is so tiney and so special and it is so one of kind and so sensitve and we should all being much more careful of this planet belonging to us all instead of ever threatening each other!
drivenbysound: Republicans = greed, selfishness, I'm better than you (I'll even steal from you to prove it), obsessed with war in places they don't belong, etc. etc. etc.
Hot_Single_Dude: I would finely getting along with much more power to the United Nations rather than too much power to some few countries around the world for sure! thats whould be the whole idea regarding United Nations! It should be United Nations against crooks because all nations should be United fighting against unjustice!
I guess your ideas can not become reality at all. I suggest all nations which have mass killings weapons should give the conrol of those to the United Nations and that inculdes America and China and Russia and France and Israel and Britania and the rest of the members of the club as well, as the first step of disarming the whole planet and getting rid of those stupied weapons for ever! If no countries having that sh** then we will all be much more safe for sure!
What is the meaning of those stupied weapons with so huge power of destruction is any way? We dont like your leaders then we probabely burning millions of you to ashes and making the rest of you getting cancer and dying later and making your kids and grand kids and their kids physichally handicapped as we did in Japan!!!? The whole idea a bout having these weapons it self is so barbaric I beleive!Planet Earth is so tiney and so special and it is so one of kind and so sensitve and we should all being much more careful of this planet belonging to us all instead of ever threatening each other!
I guess this post that show the difference between liberal left thinking and conservative right thinking.
First let me assess your position to extend the problem of N.Korean and Iran nucs into the global Nuc Community by having every one in the world give control of their nucs to the UN.
How well did the UN control the Iraq Oil for Food program for Iraq? This you need to face this squarely and say honestly it was a disaster. So why in the world should the US have confidence that the UN would be able to control the world's nucs safely?
I surely don't know what the later part of your post refers to that nucs are any more barbaric than other biologic or chemical or conventional weapons leads. The fire bombing of Dresden and Toyko was done without nuc. The plague of unstoppable biologic or chemical agent is going to take lives in the millions as well. So why are nucs the center poster child for being a barbaric weapons system? OH because the US once used them to end a war. I got it.
Dude, plain and simple now. Territorial sanctions can help stop this crisis of today from being a war today. That is here and now. That is today's living and breathing people. That is a fire ball over a major asian or middle east or European city today.
Far left does this all the time. You take the past history and and jump to a global view that the only solution requires mass dollar, effort, and cooperation. When sometime....no many times....easier to find a small specific solution have one organization (in this case the UN) take care of the problem.
For the UN to add territorial sanctions to thier list of sanctions, they have a vote on the UN floor and they have a security council vote, and done deal. The UN imposes the sanction when it needs to.
The world is not reshaped.
What you ask is for 15 countries in the NUC club to all aggree...to hand over thier nucs to the UN. That is 15 different legislative approval, that is 15 executive office negotiated treaties, that is 15 countries either sending thier nuc to some UN control point or having the UN lock and key them in the host country. Millions if not Billion in dollars cost to those NUC countries. And they are not the problem....Iran and NKorea are the problem.
I think territorial sanctions of two countries is easier and simpler that trying to 'de nuc' the world.
Hot_Single_Dude: I would finely getting along with much more power to the United Nations rather than too much power to some few countries around the world for sure! thats whould be the whole idea regarding United Nations! It should be United Nations against crooks because all nations should be United fighting against unjustice!
I guess your ideas can not become reality at all. I suggest all nations which have mass killings weapons should give the conrol of those to the United Nations and that inculdes America and China and Russia and France and Israel and Britania and the rest of the members of the club as well, as the first step of disarming the whole planet and getting rid of those stupied weapons for ever! If no countries having that sh** then we will all be much more safe for sure!
What is the meaning of those stupied weapons with so huge power of destruction is any way? We dont like your leaders then we probabely burning millions of you to ashes and making the rest of you getting cancer and dying later and making your kids and grand kids and their kids physichally handicapped as we did in Japan!!!? The whole idea a bout having these weapons it self is so barbaric I beleive!Planet Earth is so tiney and so special and it is so one of kind and so sensitve and we should all being much more careful of this planet belonging to us all instead of ever threatening each other!
ttom500: Maybe in time. But right now, I am going to concentrate on the Iran and NKorean problems.
Guess what.....when NKorea tore up the 1953 ceasefire.....it was not with the US, SKorea or the allies. It was with United Nations. Yep the US, SKorea and allied nations are not signaturies to it.
Meaning a couple of things. First, the UN can put to a body vote to reengage in miltiary operation against the north. Second that a security council vote could force UN military operation on N.Korea.
This is even reason in my thinking that a UN territorial sanction could/should be done. The UN has to be tired of countries ignoring it sanctions. The UN either steps to plate on Nkorea or it loses it creditability in the world to stop such events.
NKorea is doing this to show the UN weak and unable to act as a peace keeping organization.
the so called Notrht Korean leader is a mntally ill person of the worse kind because he is on power in a country with nuclear tecnology and he sure is really dangerous and not easy to figur out at all. Some how his regim is showing teeth ot the new american regim and surely Norht Korea is really under presur because of the sanctions and maybe new delas making sure they get fuel and food and medicin will hlep the situation some how? If some body takes him out or some ting the situation will stabilises as well I am certain but other than those methods I have no idea how to dela with this regim because relaly this guy is a lunetic and not easy to think reasonably about what so ever.
Iran? well........ this Ahmadinejd is going a way not many days from now and ther ewill be a new presidne tthere and surely the next one will be more civilised in the way he talks beause I am sure Ahmadinejad became a sad reality because of the kind of regim in America and the way hard talks becamse the one and only way of communication between America and Iran. I hope the new presidnet over there will be easier to deal with and evne the real "president" over there is the so called holy leader Ayatollah but still I "guess" the iranian regim have began to rethink its stupied strategies and they know Barack Obama means business and they are tired of the many sanctions agaisnt them and a very destroyed economy because of the same.
I dont think N Koread attacks S Korea and well.... if the do...... then party on because americans will not allow it to go with out a propper punishment !!!!!!!!!!
I wish some day North and South Korea becoming one nation a gain..... Stupied war in past and still a whole nation was splitted a part and families were forcely removed form each other and I dont like Sh** like that why so ever!
Yes North Korea humiliates the United Nations and that sucks major time!
No they only allow supporters of mass killings of whole nations just because of Greed and Stupied Bushney Styled Tax cuts as your self in public Indyfella
Oh sorry.............I forgot! that was the way it used to be during the dark years of the Bushney,s on power in United States.time changed for sure and sure Indyfella ...... I am actually much more allowed in public than you are
Just kidding Dude. Trying to get the UN to gang up on Pres. A and Prem. Kim is likely a bad idea. Not fair when someone big gangs up on the little guy. That old Iraq and USA thingee....where the underdog should not be picked on.
It is not like the EU walked out on Pres. A the last time he had a meeting with them. Or that Prem Kim is so well liked in the Asian region, that no one gives his country any financial credits.
What the heck.....let us all just sit back and roast marshmellows after they dump a couple of nuc on some major cities.
Because as you wrote earlier, the left wants total world nuc disarmanent. What a better way to prove to the world, that such total nuc disarmenent should be done, than to have a few nucs go off or to have a crisis with nuclear terrorism in some cities (any city will do) from a couple of rogue nations.
Or did I get that part of your post wrong?
But just by chance.....if the present US Administration....starts to talk UN territorial sanctions in the next couple of weeks....remember where you heard it first.
ttom500: Maybe in time. But right now, I am going to concentrate on the Iran and NKorean problems.
Guess what.....when NKorea tore up the 1953 ceasefire.....it was not with the US, SKorea or the allies. It was with United Nations. Yep the US, SKorea and allied nations are not signaturies to it.
Meaning a couple of things. First, the UN can put to a body vote to reengage in miltiary operation against the north. Second that a security council vote could force UN military operation on N.Korea.
This is even reason in my thinking that a UN territorial sanction could/should be done. The UN has to be tired of countries ignoring it sanctions. The UN either steps to plate on Nkorea or it loses it creditability in the world to stop such events.
NKorea is doing this to show the UN weak and unable to act as a peace keeping organization.
For once I agree with you ....... It's the UN's job here , not the good old USA that unilaterally jumps in.........
jvaski: For once I agree with you ....... It's the UN's job here , not the good old USA that unilaterally jumps in.........
Shock of all shocks...I agree with you, too!
I've been thinking all along that Obama just blew it. The US is always being criticized for sticking it's nose into other people's business, yet when something like this happens all ears turn toward us to see what we will do. If Obama wants to improve relations he should have just shut his trap and taken Michelle back to another Broadway play. Let Northeast Asia or the UN, or whomever first ASK for our intervention before we step up to the podium and start flexing our muscle.... It's not automatically our problem to solve. It would be far more diplomatic to see what others think first...
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