ttom500: The Bristish split them because there was bout to be a massive collision of Hindu and Muslem in India. There was great amount of deaths as it was. Imagine if today they still lived intermingled?
Remember what has been going on Sri Linka for the past 30 years? Consider if it covered the entire sub continet?
Everyone today...honors Gandi....for what he did for India at the time. And his stand for peaceful opposition to England. I never heard or have read where Gandi addressed this problem of Hindu and Muslem in the region.
I am not saying he did not have a position on it. I have just have never run into it.
But if India comes to it own conclusions that Pakistan is aiding the terrorist....and there is a ton of such speculated evidence out there on this being the case. Even Musharref in his bio.... said he used Mushadeen in the Cargil operation of late 1990s in Khsamir. Mushadeen and the Taliban are kissin cousins.
But if that is the case....that is who President Obama is getting buddy buddy with today. Remember how much flack GWB got with his association to the bin Laden family post 9/11?
The number two man in the Pakistani gov't wanted to Talibanize the country at one time. These terrorist connections to the Paksitanti gov't and Obama's need for them to deal with the Taliban, is a real weak link in his thinking.jmo
I just got the really bad feeling that 4 years from now or 8 years from now....if Obama wins a second term....that this stuff is still going to happening in the region. We will still be sitting in Afghanistan...and several 100s of American and NATO force will be dead....and we are not any closer to a resolution or solution.
I am sure russians and chinees will help the american administration to deal with those folks over there and the situation will be solved and americans will leave the country with great reults sooner than a four years from now TT. Even Iran conciders Taliban movement as their number one enemy and Taliban hates them as well and concidering iranians as non muslims and sending bombers to Iran as often as possible and creating terror there..... Iran knows the area very well and as told before Iranians helped America in her just fight agaisnt Taliban in Afghanistan in years 2001-2003 before sh** happened and Iraq was attacked!
Pakistani leader right now well....... it is all about tribes and stuff...... one tribe against the other and his fight agaisnt the movement is not absoloutely honest in my eyes, but the guy loves money and power and beside being able to stay on power so if we keep his moves under a microscope and keeping a very open eye on his nuces ...... his help agianst the movement is welcomed and very neccesary.
Russia have an old and unpaid business with the mujahedin movement which is the Taliban of today and when Russia really begins to enter this fight together with americans, they will be defeated and I am sure Putin and Medvedev both hate these guys as no body else and just waited for power shift in America and it happend fortunatily!
Hot_Single_Dude: The mastermind of Mumbai bombings will be taken cared of soon TT ..... Wait and see and not neccesarily by Pakistanis "directly " you see?
LOL...I wait and see 'alot' with you, Dude. Eventually push comes to shove and something has to be done. In military affairs....better sometime to take the bull by the horns and just do it. It ain't going to be pretty or eloquent.....but it is done. Saddam is done at this point in man's history.
Note when Saddam was hung......that the Iraq country went peaceful for a time? Everyone sat down for a moment, and said what now? It did heat back up.
In a way, I think that if bin Laden is ever caught or killed...this is likely the same response in the world and in Islam. Everyone will sit back, and ask what now? Then the successor or the successor to his group will assume power....and it starts all over again.
Obviously this conflict is larger than any one man. Hardened ideological positions of both west and east have to be warmed to make a real head way to peace. But when do you do that?
With two army (Iraq and Afghanistan) deployed or when there is that break to bring a sit back and ask what now?
President Obama speech in Egypt is going to give a idea to his thinking on it. If he panders the Muslim street with his words, it indicates one thing. If he stands fast to American reasons (9/11) for these military operations is another.
But here is my thinking......that he glosses over the Pakistan crisis. He might mention it......but even now he has to see it as not one of his finer moments. The majority of the Muslim world wants American humitarian aid in such situations. They may not want US forces, but the aid yes. And he is failing to provide even that.
A lot of people in the US, will listen and watch this speech with a great deal of interest. It is one of those..."I know words are important times for him".
They are also going to watch very carefully how the Muslim world reacts to them. I read one article saying the Muslim world wants 'tangible results' to come from the speech. To each that might mean something different.....but I suspect they mean tangible US dollars. Maybe the Muslim world should have been listening a few weeks ago.....when he said "we are broke".:-)
ttom500: LOL...I wait and see 'alot' with you, Dude. Eventually push comes to shove and something has to be done. In military affairs....better sometime to take the bull by the horns and just do it. It ain't going to be pretty or eloquent.....but it is done. Saddam is done at this point in man's history.
Note when Saddam was hung......that the Iraq country went peaceful for a time? Everyone sat down for a moment, and said what now? It did heat back up.
In a way, I think that if bin Laden is ever caught or killed...this is likely the same response in the world and in Islam. Everyone will sit back, and ask what now? Then the successor or the successor to his group will assume power....and it starts all over again.
Obviously this conflict is larger than any one man. Hardened ideological positions of both west and east have to be warmed to make a real head way to peace. But when do you do that?
With two army (Iraq and Afghanistan) deployed or when there is that break to bring a sit back and ask what now?
President Obama speech in Egypt is going to give a idea to his thinking on it. If he panders the Muslim street with his words, it indicates one thing. If he stands fast to American reasons (9/11) for these military operations is another.
But here is my thinking......that he glosses over the Pakistan crisis. He might mention it......but even now he has to see it as not one of his finer moments. The majority of the Muslim world wants American humitarian aid in such situations. They may not want US forces, but the aid yes. And he is failing to provide even that.
A lot of people in the US, will listen and watch this speech with a great deal of interest. It is one of those..."I know words are important times for him".
They are also going to watch very carefully how the Muslim world reacts to them. I read one article saying the Muslim world wants 'tangible results' to come from the speech. To each that might mean something different.....but I suspect they mean tangible US dollars. Maybe the Muslim world should have been listening a few weeks ago.....when he said "we are broke".:-)
Do not worry too much TT! Obama administration is helping Pakistani refugees because ofthe conflict in Swat as well but indirectly due to the security issues and Pakistani government by it self is not able to do the job at all I promise you..... many pakistanees knowing this Fact as well and they are actually greatfull to America!
Hot_Single_Dude: Hey Sparkey! New picture! How is it going over there? Still on the Darks side?
Hey Dude, all is well and yes, if you consider doing my part in helping people to rebuild schools, hospitals, roads and helping people to replant crops, obtain medication, etc.. over here is considered to be on the darkside then I'm pitch black.
Obama administrtion = more peace and stability 36 48% Obama administration = more wars and unrest 26 35% How dared we ever vote the Republicans out? :-( 13 17%
Hot_Single_Dude: Do not worry too much TT! Obama administration is helping Pakistani refugees because ofthe conflict in Swat as well but indirectly due to the security issues and Pakistani government by it self is not able to do the job at all I promise you..... many pakistanees knowing this Fact as well and they are actually greatfull to America!
You got to make up your mind,you're like a Reed in the Wind,Windy!
Hot_Single_Dude: You dont have to stop breathing at all TT...... just never get ellected please that would do it perefectly and the world would become a much better place..... 16 years at least with democrats on power in the States...... oh my oh my such a good world that would create! Raism would certainly getting defeated or at least broguth to total stop of any kind of influence, a real universal healthcare plan for all ameircans would be an accepted and natural part of american reality, Global warming would be stopped for sure, many death creating industries would go bank rupted and food production would take over , Africa would be developed, Middle east would become a relal peacefull place and Isreal and Palestine would live side by side and arabic countries would recognise Israels right as a nation in the area, terrorism would end in its current shape, United natiosn would gain a much ore important and significant power and rela cooporation amoung all nations would be a possibility regarding most matters....... Stay in "oposition" for ever and that should do it!
Hot_Single_Dude: I am sure russians and chinees will help the american administration to deal with those folks over there and the situation will be solved and americans will leave the country with great reults sooner than a four years from now TT. Even Iran conciders Taliban movement as their number one enemy and Taliban hates them as well and concidering iranians as non muslims and sending bombers to Iran as often as possible and creating terror there..... Iran knows the area very well and as told before Iranians helped America in her just fight agaisnt Taliban in Afghanistan in years 2001-2003 before sh** happened and Iraq was attacked!
Pakistani leader right now well....... it is all about tribes and stuff...... one tribe against the other and his fight agaisnt the movement is not absoloutely honest in my eyes, but the guy loves money and power and beside being able to stay on power so if we keep his moves under a microscope and keeping a very open eye on his nuces ...... his help agianst the movement is welcomed and very neccesary.
Russia have an old and unpaid business with the mujahedin movement which is the Taliban of today and when Russia really begins to enter this fight together with americans, they will be defeated and I am sure Putin and Medvedev both hate these guys as no body else and just waited for power shift in America and it happend fortunatily!
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