Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars! (829)

May 25, 2009 6:53 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
BrunoMcMahon
BrunoMcMahonBrunoMcMahonHardwick, Vermont USA20 Threads 3 Polls 733 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Very true!

As told many times before..... Albert Gore as the real ellected presidnet of the United States would not ignore the intelligence given by Clinton administration and becuase of that the horrible attackers of 9/11 would not success with their evil plans I am more than sure! GWB ignored those and after 9/11 ameericans and all of us have suffered.

What this too horrible lesson have learned us all have to be........ Never Ever allow Cheaters taking over your country and allow real democracy rule rather than decisions of a bunch of dishonest judges with lobbyists behind them to point the winner of any ellections!

The day one Geroge W Bush took over in 2001, a certain catasrophy was brough upon a whole planet and gosh! It still takes years before results of his horrible regim of suppression are going to heal completely..... thanks god Cain did not win in 2008


Strike one little troll.

There is a link above to the memo. Nothing there to warn of 9/11. Just the same generalized reportd that had been around through the Clinton years.

Strike Two:

Final recount proved Gore did not win. His supporters demanding to be the ones who interperated intentions of Florida voters did not fly with SCOTUS.

Interesting to see that this supposed Dane, suposedly having so much trouble with the english language is using "gosh", is able to spell better than others at time. The over use of capitalization does not fit someone raised with a Scandnavian language Dud. You are dropping the ball all over the place.

My guess is our favorite troll resides on the east coast of the USA and has a very patient wife with a very good job enabling him to live in reasonable comfort.

Anyone else care to guess on what the little snuff dipper really is?
May 25, 2009 7:04 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
BrunoMcMahon
BrunoMcMahonBrunoMcMahonHardwick, Vermont USA20 Threads 3 Polls 733 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Read some thing good Conrad and the rest of you buhsneys endorsers so you learn some thing instead of showing your ignorence by posting stupied pictures in here:



Strike three Dud:

See that word in large clear type at the top of the page"

OPINION

It does not say fact does it dud?

Given that the opinion is on an environmental bill before Congress it seems you did not even read any of it if you are claiming it makes some sort of point to your cause.

So where are you really troll? Mass, N.J.?

How many other troll identities do you have going here?

Your game is slipping pal. You might just as well fess up.
May 25, 2009 7:06 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
liakos
liakosliakossamos, North Aegean Greece22 Threads 393 Posts
The vote breakdown is very funny. Seems W had a great appeal to older women.
May 25, 2009 7:27 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
One of the suggestions for the GITMO prisoners, is to reopen the Alcatrass Prison for them. Alcatrass is a island prison in San Franisco bay...only 3 have ever escaped from it.

Nancy Polosi....whose district it is in......reported to have said no to the proposal.

Guess she does not want the millions in FED spending for upgrading and staffing a high security prison for GITMO detainees in her district of the US. During a time of recession.

I wonder why?

Maybe because over the course of time since GITMO has opened, there has been intelligence of possible AlQeada attacks on the base to set the prisoners free?

Maybe Polosi is saying....I don't want bunch of my voters being in some AlQeada plot to release the GITMO prisoners.

But if this is her position, why should any other Congressman or
Senator position be any different? The countries only FED maximum high security prison is also in CA. According to Senator Boxer it is already overcrowded and has a waiting list.

The Senate vote not to close GITMO until President Obama came
up with a plan was 94-6. One would have thought that since President Obama suggested to use the countries only maximum
high security prison....every Senator would have known it was
in CA.....not their state. Yet, they still voted it down nearly by 100% vote.

Just maybe President Obama has a real credibility problem with the Senate.....
May 25, 2009 7:50 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: So we are to feel sorry for Castro? This liberatro of the Cuban people.....this man that uses his security forces to oppress them for years. Feel sorry for him, because he is a leader in a small country?

I picked this up in the book....The Last Days of Fidel. Castro and security forces would arrest 100s, if not 1000s after the
Bay of Pigs affair....each time in Miami there was some rumor of an invasion attempt. Of course after the Bay of Pigs....rumor to another were very common.

Each time....the Cuban people not on the list of Castro were arrested...then interrogated. Not in such a kind manner as normal GITMO interrogations either. They were usually beaten.

Socialism does not scare me or anyone that love freedom and democracy.

As for the $53m in med and food. I would not extort the food and med. Only a few month later, Russia was shipping missiles to Cuba and the Cuban missile crisis began. I would have gone to Russia...ask that had food and med be shipped....instead of missiles...that likely cost more than the $53m.

No, I would not kill men (prisoners) so that a extortion payment of med and food would occur.


The best possible system is and will be a nice mixation of two ideologies TT! Capitalism by it self or Socilaism by it self does not work and any places any where where systems have learned to take the best from both ideologies things are working much better and people are more satisfide generally. there is a need for money for running a propper police force and military force and social services and for creating a more just and more equal society so there are no classes with too wide distance amoung them and poverty some how under control so messes of people do not go around and countain a huge amount of anger agaisnt the power holders.

In capital only runnes societies police gets more brutal and they try their best to supporess people who are lost under the totaly capitalised systems but one way or another people will keep opposing the system and at last they will win.

So better learning from ideologies and using what ever good differnet ideologies representing and creating more just systems....even major capitalists getting mad by that!

Every body and any body Claims a love for the country he or she is a part of must accept that: unless the capital is more just shared no possibilites for real happiness and safty is ever possible!
May 25, 2009 7:51 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Conrad73: Castro. Traitor to the Cuban People!

And His Handmaiden!
Michael Moore a True American Hero yay
May 25, 2009 7:58 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
BrunoMcMahon: Strike one little troll.

There is a link above to the memo. Nothing there to warn of 9/11. Just the same generalized reportd that had been around through the Clinton years.

Strike Two:

Final recount proved Gore did not win. His supporters demanding to be the ones who interperated intentions of Florida voters did not fly with SCOTUS.

Interesting to see that this supposed Dane, suposedly having so much trouble with the english language is using "gosh", is able to spell better than others at time. The over use of capitalization does not fit someone raised with a Scandnavian language Dud. You are dropping the ball all over the place.

My guess is our favorite troll resides on the east coast of the USA and has a very patient wife with a very good job enabling him to live in reasonable comfort.

Anyone else care to guess on what the little snuff dipper really is?
Gore was the real winner and even your current very honorable president told so during his campain and this great act of Treason against all americans and shuving a looser Geroge W Bush upon us all must never be forgotten and never happen a gain! A real As* who went to his stupied Vacation and took it with Ease and then Alqueda attacekd us all and the same piece of Redneck chosed to be with Cain and celebrating his stupied birthday while New Olreans was under water and people died in there Because Hagee and his look a like had anounced their destiney was the will of his kind of "Gud"...... How many ameircans care for what a guy like you thinks is right and just Bruno? You lost Big and your As* is on fire Mister doh barf
May 25, 2009 8:08 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
BrunoMcMahon
BrunoMcMahonBrunoMcMahonHardwick, Vermont USA20 Threads 3 Polls 733 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: And now you know why I am not even making a Bogey you can chew on no?


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May 25, 2009 8:20 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: The best possible system is and will be a nice mixation of two ideologies TT! Capitalism by it self or Socilaism by it self does not work and any places any where where systems have learned to take the best from both ideologies things are working much better and people are more satisfide generally. there is a need for money for running a propper police force and military force and social services and for creating a more just and more equal society so there are no classes with too wide distance amoung them and poverty some how under control so messes of people do not go around and countain a huge amount of anger agaisnt the power holders.

In capital only runnes societies police gets more brutal and they try their best to supporess people who are lost under the totaly capitalised systems but one way or another people will keep opposing the system and at last they will win.

So better learning from ideologies and using what ever good differnet ideologies representing and creating more just systems....even major capitalists getting mad by that!

Every body and any body Claims a love for the country he or she is a part of must accept that: unless the capital is more just shared no possibilites for real happiness and safty is ever possible!

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Are you telling me that the socialist Chinese police and military were not brutal in the recent Tibetian affair? Or in the past Tieannean Square affair?

Dude.....Nancy Polosi is presently in China...in the past she has hung a flag supporting the Tiennean Square posters and has pics of walking with the Daili Lama in her website. NOW, when it politically expedious, she agreed not to discuss human right violation of the Chinese gov't...to have this meeting on the
environment and global warning with them.

Nice mix of capitolism and socialism, my rubie red behind.

How do you think that those socialist leaders in Russia got their summer homes in Odessa and on the Black Sea? While of a family of 5 is Moscow was getting an 3-4 room apartment, the leaders of Russia had multiple houses around the country?

By living to the socilist rules that they drafted?

Everywhere socialism has gone it acquires wealth for the few in power. They mazke the laws, feel empowered to use the laws to their personal benefit. At least when that greedy CEO of a US firm give millions in bonus to their staff....they will then go and spend the millions for their summer homes and someone else benefits. With socialism they simply write a law...and no one benefits but the leaders.
May 25, 2009 8:24 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
BrunoMcMahon: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.


You finally put a picture of you in here Bruno! Thank you! Now I understand why you were shy of showing your true face wow Can it be done by plastic serjoury or some thing? confused poor Fellow comfort
May 25, 2009 8:35 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: _____________________________^_______________________________

Are you telling me that the socialist Chinese police and military were not brutal in the recent Tibetian affair? Or in the past Tieannean Square affair?

Dude.....Nancy Polosi is presently in China...in the past she has hung a flag supporting the Tiennean Square posters and has pics of walking with the Daili Lama in her website. NOW, when it politically expedious, she agreed not to discuss human right violation of the Chinese gov't...to have this meeting on the
environment and global warning with them.

Nice mix of capitolism and socialism, my rubie red behind.

How do you think that those socialist leaders in Russia got their summer homes in Odessa and on the Black Sea? While of a family of 5 is Moscow was getting an 3-4 room apartment, the leaders of Russia had multiple houses around the country?

By living to the socilist rules that they drafted?

Everywhere socialism has gone it acquires wealth for the few in power. They mazke the laws, feel empowered to use the laws to their personal benefit. At least when that greedy CEO of a US firm give millions in bonus to their staff....they will then go and spend the millions for their summer homes and someone else benefits. With socialism they simply write a law...and no one benefits but the leaders.
the mix I am talking a bout TT is like in Canada or like in Denmark and like in Sweden and like in England and in France and in other countries as well.

In China they tried to mix some capitalism for sure but still the bases of their system is totaly communism and that doe snot work well and there is no real space for freedom of speach and so on and becasue of that there will be too many problems to solve for them and a huge amount of human being will be on trouble and things will not be done right way as long as one sided ideology keeps staying over there.

In Russia they just tried to clean what ever socialism they had and begining a hundred procent capitalism and thats why they have failed major time as well in many areas.

Keep the good thing, accept the good sides of other ideologies and make a more just system thats what I am talking a bout TT but of course you never understand orw ant to understand what I am talking a bout. Canada is near by..... Do you think Canadians EVER will say good bye to the roots of the system they have and the same system which have created a more just system over there where people as a very right example have the right to Health no matter how poor they are?

Even the conservative PM of that country stays on power because he does not dare to touch the roots of the same mixation I am talking a bout TT. He claims being a conservative but acting social democrat to keep staying on power rolling on the floor laughing
May 25, 2009 8:40 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Gore was the real winner and even your current very honorable president told so during his campain and this great act of Treason against all americans and shuving a looser Geroge W Bush upon us all must never be forgotten and never happen a gain! A real As* who went to his stupied Vacation and took it with Ease and then Alqueda attacekd us all and the same piece of Redneck chosed to be with Cain and celebrating his stupied birthday while New Olreans was under water and people died in there Because Hagee and his look a like had anounced their destiney was the will of his kind of "Gud"...... How many ameircans care for what a guy like you thinks is right and just Bruno? You lost Big and your As* is on fire Mister


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What is this attack 'us all' bit? If Europeans felt that way after 9/11, they would have been in Afghanistan from day one.

Rather European leaders decided to see which way the winds were blowing before any commitments to be there or any were else.

Now that Iraq is settling down....I just wish the Iraqi people and Malki gov't think thru who they are selling their oil to....e.g. Europe. Then would double or triple their sales to Japan and South America. Let that petro price in Europe....go to EU8+ per gallon...let you send more EUs to Russia...to buy your oil.

That is really want Europeans want to do. Like you, they see coming closer to Russia as a means to assure peace. There is a way to do it.

Personally? I think that is a wrong conclusion/decision to make.

But hey if you wish to have Russians running around in your countries again....no big deal to me or most Americans.
When they suppress your votes, and play games with your financial records, and drive thier T-82 tanks around.....you can stand in front of them like that single Chinese did in Tiannemen Square.

Don't get squashed, Dude.
May 25, 2009 8:42 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: _____________________________^_______________________________

Are you telling me that the socialist Chinese police and military were not brutal in the recent Tibetian affair? Or in the past Tieannean Square affair?

Dude.....Nancy Polosi is presently in China...in the past she has hung a flag supporting the Tiennean Square posters and has pics of walking with the Daili Lama in her website. NOW, when it politically expedious, she agreed not to discuss human right violation of the Chinese gov't...to have this meeting on the
environment and global warning with them.

Nice mix of capitolism and socialism, my rubie red behind.

How do you think that those socialist leaders in Russia got their summer homes in Odessa and on the Black Sea? While of a family of 5 is Moscow was getting an 3-4 room apartment, the leaders of Russia had multiple houses around the country?

By living to the socilist rules that they drafted?

Everywhere socialism has gone it acquires wealth for the few in power. They mazke the laws, feel empowered to use the laws to their personal benefit. At least when that greedy CEO of a US firm give millions in bonus to their staff....they will then go and spend the millions for their summer homes and someone else benefits. With socialism they simply write a law...and no one benefits but the leaders.
Cuban heath System works much better than the american health system when all counts TT!

Cuban health system is in many way much better than yours TT....... What does it tell you?

A poor country for years isolated by stupied conservative kinds of sanctions because of a non relevant Fear and because of keep making money on wars ....... have a much better and more fair health system than the United States with all its glory and money and influence and weapons and so on!thats why you better seeing Sicko more carefully and by removing your republican glasses and thinking more deeply a bout the state of the Union some how..... specially listen carefully what americans them selves are telling a guy like you in that great documentary wave

Cubans living averagly longer than americans TT... does it ring a Bell some how? dunno
May 25, 2009 8:53 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Still!

Both here and on the other last polls I made in here.......

Obama wins and Rocks !

What does it tell you Bushney,s endorsers?

How many times you need to get punched on your very noses before you get it???????

Obama Rocks!
cheering cheering cheering yay

And this is for you Bushney,s and Bushney,s endorsers because you never ever getting it no matter how brutally even your own rights have been taken a way because of the dark regim of the recent past and how the country you claim to love have been destroyed each and every time the forces of the Dark have taken over and of course destroyed as never before during the Bushney,s years from 2001-2008 ................. tongue
May 25, 2009 8:53 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: Michael Moore a True American Hero
YEP!doh
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May 25, 2009 9:04 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: Gore was the real winner and even your current very honorable president told so during his campain and this great act of Treason against all americans and shuving a looser Geroge W Bush upon us all must never be forgotten and never happen a gain! A real As* who went to his stupied Vacation and took it with Ease and then Alqueda attacekd us all and the same piece of Redneck chosed to be with Cain and celebrating his stupied birthday while New Olreans was under water and people died in there Because Hagee and his look a like had anounced their destiney was the will of his kind of "Gud"...... How many ameircans care for what a guy like you thinks is right and just Bruno? You lost Big and your As* is on fire Mister
Are you in LOOP-Mode?doh
May 25, 2009 9:06 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: Gore was the real winner and even your current very honorable president told so during his campain and this great act of Treason against all americans and shuving a looser Geroge W Bush upon us all must never be forgotten and never happen a gain! A real As* who went to his stupied Vacation and took it with Ease and then Alqueda attacekd us all and the same piece of Redneck chosed to be with Cain and celebrating his stupied birthday while New Olreans was under water and people died in there Because Hagee and his look a like had anounced their destiney was the will of his kind of "Gud"...... How many ameircans care for what a guy like you thinks is right and just Bruno? You lost Big and your As* is on fire Mister
What is your Preoccupation with Asses?dunno confused
May 25, 2009 9:10 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: Michael Moore a True American Hero
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May 25, 2009 9:14 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: Cuban heath System works much better than the american health system when all counts TT!

Cuban health system is in many way much better than yours TT....... What does it tell you?

A poor country for years isolated by stupied conservative kinds of sanctions because of a non relevant Fear and because of keep making money on wars ....... have a much better and more fair health system than the United States with all its glory and money and influence and weapons and so on!thats why you better seeing Sicko more carefully and by removing your republican glasses and thinking more deeply a bout the state of the Union some how..... specially listen carefully what americans them selves are telling a guy like you in that great documentary

Cubans living averagly longer than americans TT... does it ring a Bell some how?
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May 25, 2009 9:25 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
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THE HERO!barf
May 25, 2009 9:39 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Sure you are a big boy and can make your own decisions TT!

And still...............

Majority of americans are totaly Disagree with your kind of decisions and thats why they sent the old war monger dude to a certain much less harmfull retirenment time and ellected Obama instead



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I never said my country men were perfect or even always right....they were and are simply....my countrymen. One need to have tolerance and patient, the best one can in these trying times of economic crisis and a leadership less Washington.
May 25, 2009 11:04 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
The honorable Albert Gore in Copenhagen maj 2009 regarding the true need for a golobal and really serious attempt agaisnt the horrible results of global warming:

There is an african old saying which tells: if you want to go fast go Alone......... if you want to go far....... go together... it is time for us to go far..... together!

Compare these great and very wise words with the old past stincky anti life attempts of the Bushnye,s and know your friends and isolate your enemies and support all those who are working toward a better feauter for all of us and for the sake of feauter generations! peace
May 25, 2009 11:13 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
BrunoMcMahon
BrunoMcMahonBrunoMcMahonHardwick, Vermont USA20 Threads 3 Polls 733 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: The honorable Albert Gore in Copenhagen maj 2009 regarding the true need for a golobal and really serious attempt agaisnt the horrible results of global warming:

There is an african old saying which tells: if you want to go fast go Alone......... if you want to go far....... go together... it is time for us to go far..... together!

Compare these great and very wise words with the old past stincky anti life attempts of the Bushnye,s and know your friends and isolate your enemies and support all those who are working toward a better feauter for all of us and for the sake of feauter generations!




The Danish Question [Iain Murray]

Yesterday, while I was promoting my book, a listener on the Michael Medved show challenged me that (I paraphrase), "Denmark has adopted wind power at no cost." I said that I was no expert on Denmark but that there were significant subsidies involved. As this Economist article makes clear, it is certainly not correct to say that Denmark has adopted wind power at no cost:

Researchers in Denmark have gone a step further and put a value on this effect. They believe that wind power shaved 1 billion kroner ($167m) off Danish electricity bills in 2005. On the other hand, Danish consumers also paid 1.4 billion kroner in subsidies for wind power.

The Danish government cut wind power subsidies that year. The result:

The building of wind turbines has virtually ground to a halt since subsidies were cut back. Meanwhile, compared with others in the European Union, Danes remain above-average emitters of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. For all its wind turbines, a large proportion of the rest of Denmark's power is generated by plants that burn imported coal.

Moreover, because you cannot store any wind power that is generated when no-one wants to use it, Denmark has to sell excess wind-power to Sweden at a price of 0c per KWh. This has caused some trouble:

Much has been written about Denmark's success as the world's wind power pioneer. But the regularly repeated claim — that Denmark generates 20 percent of its electricity demand from wind sources — is highly misleading. That 20 percent of electricity is not supplied continuously from wind power. Denmark’s wind supply is so variable that it relies heavily on neighbors Norway and Sweden, taking their excess production. In 2003 its export figure for wind power electricity production was as high as 84 percent, as Denmark found it could not absorb its own highly variable wind output capacity into its domestic system. The scale of Denmark’s subsidies was such that in 2006-07 the government increasingly came under scrutiny from the Danish media, which claimed the subsidies were out of control.

Overall, Denmark, a small, flat, windy country of about 5.5 million souls cannot be a model for the U.S. to follow, even if they had succeeded in making wind power work efficiently.

Chris Horner also discussed Denmark's tax regime here.
May 25, 2009 11:55 AM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude: The honorable Albert Gore in Copenhagen maj 2009 regarding the true need for a golobal and really serious attempt agaisnt the horrible results of global warming:

There is an african old saying which tells: if you want to go fast go Alone......... if you want to go far....... go together... it is time for us to go far..... together!

Compare these great and very wise words with the old past stincky anti life attempts of the Bushnye,s and know your friends and isolate your enemies and support all those who are working toward a better feauter for all of us and for the sake of feauter generations!
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May 25, 2009 6:30 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
BrunoMcMahon: http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjI0MWE3OTFjZjU2ZjE2MDYwNGY3MjMzMzc1NzIzZmE=

The Danish Question [Iain Murray]

Yesterday, while I was promoting my book, a listener on the Michael Medved show challenged me that (I paraphrase), "Denmark has adopted wind power at no cost." I said that I was no expert on Denmark but that there were significant subsidies involved. As this Economist article makes clear, it is certainly not correct to say that Denmark has adopted wind power at no cost:

Researchers in Denmark have gone a step further and put a value on this effect. They believe that wind power shaved 1 billion kroner ($167m) off Danish electricity bills in 2005. On the other hand, Danish consumers also paid 1.4 billion kroner in subsidies for wind power.

The Danish government cut wind power subsidies that year. The result:

The building of wind turbines has virtually ground to a halt since subsidies were cut back. Meanwhile, compared with others in the European Union, Danes remain above-average emitters of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. For all its wind turbines, a large proportion of the rest of Denmark's power is generated by plants that burn imported coal.

Moreover, because you cannot store any wind power that is generated when no-one wants to use it, Denmark has to sell excess wind-power to Sweden at a price of 0c per KWh. This has caused some trouble:

Much has been written about Denmark's success as the world's wind power pioneer. But the regularly repeated claim — that Denmark generates 20 percent of its electricity demand from wind sources — is highly misleading. That 20 percent of electricity is not supplied continuously from wind power. Denmark’s wind supply is so variable that it relies heavily on neighbors Norway and Sweden, taking their excess production. In 2003 its export figure for wind power electricity production was as high as 84 percent, as Denmark found it could not absorb its own highly variable wind output capacity into its domestic system. The scale of Denmark’s subsidies was such that in 2006-07 the government increasingly came under scrutiny from the Danish media, which claimed the subsidies were out of control.

Overall, Denmark, a small, flat, windy country of about 5.5 million souls cannot be a model for the U.S. to follow, even if they had succeeded in making wind power work efficiently.

Chris Horner also discussed Denmark's tax regime here.
There are Sadly enough some few so called "Scientists" on the pay list of the great capital and worlds greatest poputers and hHorner is just one of thsoe few......

We have those types in Europe as well and most people knowing already why they say as they say and who is paying thesae to say so! doh
May 25, 2009 8:48 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: part two.......
I beleive you need to talk more deep going to ex Cubans over there and really find out if you are right a bout why they had not travel to Cuba for getting medichal attention TT...... Sanctions? Restrictions about travelling to Cuba? Rings a Bell ? Still not?

A simple F*****G by pass operation which takes around half an hour max with to days technology costs a freaking 85,000 dollers in USA TT! 85,000 dollers man! You can built a small health clinique in Cuba for that amount of money helping hudreds of ill each year!

Those I know who have made oporations in Cuba are more than satisfide and talking a bout they have been taken cared of really professional and with no real complications what so ever!

Why do you think Cuba wanted to send doctors and nurses to New Orleans then TT? I beleive that was a true attempt regardin

When the only heads you guys could find becoming the most powerful in America were a McCain who fought for years against the legacy of Martin Luther King or a real old fashioned horrible "mom" who enjoyed killing wild life from a helicopter and invited witch hunters from Africa to get help from ... then you sure think as you think TT even as a kind of more Balanced and more Educated and more Moderate republican than average any way!

Past is past and it has been ugly for sure TT....... Accept the new face of America and Enjoy it as well!

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If those Cuban DR and Nurses were sent to New Orleans....with out any kind of medical mal practice insurance.....and screwed up a operations or procedure....who was the American patient going to sue? The Cuban Gov't? The Cuban government medical insurance carrier? The DR and his non existing medical carrier?

Dude, it is easy to offer assistance, when you know it legally cannot be accepted.

The US is the most litigated country in the world. Surely having foreign DRs and Nurse working in the country was going to cause law suits. They don't have AMA board qualifications. Nor would I trust Fidel Castro to send people with any kind of medical background....

And what are the standard of your $85,000 medical center in Cuba?
Dude....the reason we has such things as the AMA (American Medical Association) is set high standards to the level of medical care in the country. We are not the frigin Cubans.....

We had this debate on Obama's funding of abortions in 3rd world and carribean islands. Sure it is cheap. Because the facilities are less than clean and hygienic, the DRs have dirt under their finger nails, there is one bottle of pain killer on the shelf,
and the instrument sterilezer has not worked for a week.

But you did not answer me....did you have a surgery there? Or would you advice a relative to?
May 25, 2009 9:06 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
is dude online right now?

im being told repeatedly that he and i are peas in a pod

i wonder if he understands this saying and if he will make room for me in his podconfused


head banger
May 25, 2009 9:12 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
A recent quote from President Obama regarding Iran and its nuclear programs at the US Naval Academy Graduation Services. "There is a limit to negotiations."

Now let us put some dots together.

North Korea just detonated a 10-20 Kilo ton nuclear device. North Korea supplied the P-2 and P-3 centrifuges to Iran. Iran just tested a missile with a 1200 mile range.

Those are the simple hard facts. Now some dots connecting.

North Korea proved to Iran that any nuclear device design it has also provided, it is a functioning system with the nuclear test. Iran now does not need to conduct its own test to gain confidence in the design.

Iran has a delivery system...to Europe, to Israel, to American bases in the region. Iran also has a strong ties to terrorist groups in the region another delivery means to Isreal, the west and America.

Iran has plenty of oil money. North Korea is nearly broke. North Korea is not part of the atomic commission....so none knows how many nucs it really has. So if they traded in illegal nuclear system in the past, then why not again? Only this time a nuclear device?

Iran does not need to make a nuclear device, all it needs to do is buy a couple.

So?

President Obama, when is the negotiation limit reached?

Iran's President A wants to debate President Obama in the UN in Sept after a election win next month.

Hmmmmmmm...not sure if this is the kind of face to face talks that President Obama had in mind. If he wins the debate, Iran gets the status of being on the floor with a super power. If he does mea culpas for past American mistakes in the UN, the US loses status. If he loses the debate, his prestige around the world suffers.
May 25, 2009 9:14 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
mindfful: is dude online right now?

im being told repeatedly that he and i are peas in a pod

i wonder if he understands this saying and if he will make room for me in his pod


The last I heard he was in Denmark, but seems to vacation in Cuba on occasion. You might him there on a beach, Mindful.
May 25, 2009 9:44 PM CST Obama Rocks! Today! the most serious attempt against more wars!
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
Say there Dude, ya gotta figure, with N. Korea's atomic bomb detonation today, combined with Odrama's recent stimulus leaving America in debtors prison to China, his administration does not have a leg to stand on. Anyone thinking Odrama will bring peace, and tranquility to the world, will soon see be lucky if they can even buy a piece of anything. I do pray everyone has made, or is making preparations.

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