It's not surprising that you'd suggest violence as a means to resolve a dispute. You obviously don't understand, seeing as the word sport is all encompassing in regards to hunting anything other than subsistence, despite some not being sporting in any fashion.
I doubt very much we share any similar views, on anything.
Actually, I was born and raised in Toronto, and then moved to Edmonton when I was still young. Despite that, I have been hunting since I was 8 years old. It's been over a decade since I last went, but I still have gone camping and into the wilderness, often for extended periods of time. I'm in a small village now, in the mountains, surrounded by nature, finally out of the city once again.
Two schools of thought in that article, one for, one against, and some of the points I mentioned in my previous post were also brought up. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't feel the same way about it.
The idea of passing laws to keep a specific deer from being shot is ridiculous, and hard to enforce, if not impossible. We have size limits from a base when they're young, but not how old. Although, politicians don't mind the opportunity to appease the public in some way, to make themselves look good at any opportunity, but especially when it's a highly emotional subject.
At first I was under the impression there weren't that many deer in England, but that article stated 350,000 are culled each year. I have to wonder if that includes the ones that are legally harvested by hunters.
Oh, and even a 12 year old deer tastes good slow roasted in the oven or a slow cooker. Or there's jerky, or even sausages....you do enjoy sausages over there, don't you?
Seems nobody knows for sure that it was that specific deer, and others have said it wasn't, that he is still alive and well. A lot of speculation, seeing that this specific deer was normally seen 10 miles away, in a park. Still, whatever deer it was, there is no body. I'm guessing the person is likely going to eat the deer as well, as the whole animal is gone.
I've seen a lot of articles similar to this, and in general, they're sensationalist drivel meant to stir up the public's emotions, without clear evidence to back it.
If deer hunting is allowed, I'm sure there must be a sizable herd, and the proper authorities would know where to draw a limit. Also, with a park in the vicinity, they would be in a protected area, where I would assume no hunting is allowed. That would be the case here, in national or provincial parks. In fact, you can't even bring a firearm in to any of them.
In a protected area such as that, they can flourish, and grow in numbers very quickly. I don't know what sort of predators you have in England that the deer would be natural prey to, if any. That would mean there's nothing to keep the population in check, other than man, or old age. The problem with an animal dying of old age is, it can be gruesome for the animal, and even if someone does put it out of it's misery, nobody will eat it.
There are laws in place, checks and balances, to ensure it's reasonably fair for all, the people involved, and the animals. It's hard for me to comment on specifics for other countries, but I'm sure in the western world, they're fairly similar. Africa and Asia might be completely different, not sure. The only news/articles I ever see are about are game farms and poaching, neither of which are sporting, and the latter being illegal, everywhere on the planet as far as I know.
That wasn't hunting for sport in any way, there were political reasons behind it. The government found the Indians easier to control and kill off in smaller numbers if they were starving.
A spokesman for the British Deer Society, which promotes deer welfare, game meat, stalking and deer management, said no laws would have been broken if the stalker was the landowner or had the landowner's permission and had used a legal firearm. He added: "If the reports are accurate, then it does seem to me a shame that an animal in its prime was culled before the rut."
Apparently it was legal, and so long as the meat wasn't wasted, I really don't see the problem with hunting deer in England either. I do find the idea of trophy hunting a little sad, but again, so long as it's legal and the meat isn't wasted.
Not really familiar with US law, seeing as I live in Canada, and it varies from state to state, same for our provinces.
Protecting the environment, also includes proper wildlife management.
Where is this wanton killing happening, en masse no less? Please don't use the seal slaughter as an example, because that's not a sport, it's commercial enterprise, which I'm against, as I stated previously. The culling of over populated areas is also another matter, so please refrain from citing that as an example also.
Any examples, or actual cases where these atrocities have happened?
Please don't use the Americans killing off all the buffalo either, because that was really intended to starve out the Indians, which wasn't very sporting.
As I said in my prior post, there are differing definitions to "sport hunting", depending on your view towards hunting in general. The word "sport" in conjunction with "hunting" is an accepted definition for "anyone" not hunting for "subsistence", which means for survival.
The average hunter in North America is considered to be a "sportsman", and that also applies to people that fish. This is something enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of people across the continent, if not into the millions. There are government agencies dedicated solely to this in Canada and the US, as well as many television shows and channels, websites for purchasing hunting and fishing gear. There are also forums, and other websites dedicated to this pursuit, as someone else has mentioned being a member of several times on this site, and thread.
I'm sure you get the idea, but feel free to find more sites similar to these and see for yourself.
So, for yourself, and others on this thread, to use the term "sport" in conjunction with "hunting, in the manner that you have, is not only inaccurate, but also slanderous towards ethical and responsible hunters.
I haven't seen you actually define what you mean by sport hunting, other than fox hunting, which I don't condone. Unless you mean poaching, which is illegal, ie: banned, or some idiot hunter only taking the antlers or head of an animal, which is illegal, ie: banned, and also extremely rare. Every hunter I know ALWAYS takes home the entire animal, other than possibly organs, intestines and the hide, although many do that as well.
I also don't see why people shouldn't enjoy hunting, or fishing, or just being outdoors. Who are you, or anyone else to dictate, or attempt to ban what some people enjoy doing for their leisure activities and time off.
Just who and where are these people that you and others on here keep mentioning as hunting for "sport", or for "cheap thrills"?
If I could find another way to get that deer out of it's coat and into the freezer, and later on to my plate, I would. I don't enjoy the kill, but it is a part of it.
Hunting is the practice of pursuing any living organism, usually wildlife or feral animals, by humans for food, recreation, or trade. Animals may also hunt other animal species, but this is usually called predation. ...
What is it that you, or anyone else, means by just for sport?
Some people hunt to survive, subsistence, and nobody should have their right to eat taken away from them, period. Then there are those who hunt because they enjoy getting out into the bush, fields, or wherever. That's hunting for sport, but also for the meat. That may be for the preference over farmed/store bought, or just the enjoyment of the entire experience.
I don't see banning anything helping, whatever the cause(s), it's everywhere, and we're exposed to it in daily life. Some may be predisposed to it, others lifestyle and choices in what we ingest, also what where we work. Whatever it is, you hear about it a lot more than ever.
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I don't think it would fit.