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but that is the only possible explanation for the transubstantiation - the fairy story of the change of bread into body and blood of christ - who died on the cross for our sins - so they say - i was one freaked out little girl believe it - on one hand it was what i was supposed to believe then on the other hand they said cannibalism was anathema - what's a kid supposed to do, i ask you?

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shucks - and i was just going to go back on track and ask about the comment i made regarding children and if it is fair to answer their questions with 'thou must have faith'

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was it something to do with the right back atcha comment from FGWB because if so we were complimenting each other

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did we get crossed wires there? thanks for trying to defend me rillyniceguy but its ok - ican look after myself - i believe in myself

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sorry but in the interest of goodwill - that was a message to me - it said my name and was warmly accepted by me - who is taking exception in my name

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you speak as if some of us havent read this book but i assure you i had it rammed down my throat till i was 17 or so - i still went along every sunday cos i had no choice - i just learned to keep my questions to myself - and that in itself is a wrong thing to do to a child

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hello - you are doing a good job so far

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this is getting bogged down in semantics - i wouldnt wish you to violently throw up - nor would i instill fear of such in you - these words are from the bible

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i considered the accidental by-product theory one time and ended up looking into the survival of the fittest theories and looking at the evolution of man in this way makes ultimate sense to me. We are more lithe than the dinosaurs, have better use of limbs than most other primates and moreover are developing language, we live for longer than most flowers n trees - i think that science and not religion holds the key to further longevity for our species - and that common sense tells us to love each other and our earth better - everyone seems to be bogged down with the past but unless we take heed of where we are going there isnt really going to be much point in any of this

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so much to do and so little time - i know it happens to me too its way past my bedtime - just after midnight here and i have had a busy day - but got in here and find it so interesting i dont mind losing a couple of hours sleep tonight - but am off to sleep before too much longer have been here hours

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i would in no way, other than my already stated opinions, begin to disavow you of your beliefs and though our words do not resonate in each others perceptions, let us not wish each other ill - my love to you and yours rillyniceguy

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yeah - relationships, whew - but i think people interractions are fascinating.
did you look at the website of the book yet?

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woops - that should have read - than almost any other facet of my existence

and i dont think the message thingy is working yet - i did select to post rillyniceguy as the recipient of that

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ok i hear you but with respect i dont see much common sense in your argument - i see only religiosity and the kind of pedantism which is expected from apologetics - its wearing very thin - and thanks for the offer but i dont think i need help understanding - i reckon i understand it better than almost another facet of my existence

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Hey, good to see you - hows the book going - thanks for being here just when i need your love and support the most. much love back atcha

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i think i said earlier something about this - no body has to try to kill this thing - it will just fade away and have less and less adherents over time - history will tell this story better than we can attempt here - the churches are emptying.
Besides - Christ isnt God - so the tale is getting corrupted right here - Christ was the one who we were supposed to believe was Gods representative here on earth, His very own son - where did they get off - they told us this but expected us to disown Gaia - hmm - i dunno - sounds dodgy to me - what an exercise in brainwashing - gotta give those early psychologists their due hey

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Hello all i can do is my best too and really hope not to offend anybody but when questions are asked and statements made - i must speak my own truth as i see it having as much validity as any other given opinion - none is better than another - having looked into apologetics though i am prone to disavow some points of view sooner than others - thou art god, do it well.

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is this process then only accessible to believers - if one doesnt believe in the scriptures then can we not consider ourselves teachers of the esoteric? ever?

How do you think God will come to earth then, what form will he take?
my contention is that 'thou art god' and your form is manifested in the use of your intelligence - sadly, belief in the 'self' has been discouraged for - probably about 2000 yrs - or so - of course, again, in my opinion

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with the greatest respect rillyniceguy - i dont really give a hoot about what god wishes anymore because, much as i try it can never make sense to me. we are organic and that makes sense, i grow things and they make good eating, they sustain me - i look at scripture and it serves only to confound, befuddle and confuse me then confutes my scientific mind with condemnation - effectively adding insult to injury - to each their own i guess

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with the greatest respect rillyniceguy - i dont really give a hoot about what god wishes anymore because, much as i try it can never make sense to me. we are organic and that makes sense, i grow things and they make good eating, they sustain me - i look at scripture and it serves only to confound, befuddle and confuse me then confutes my scientific mind with condemnation - effectively adding insult to injury - to each their own i guess

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when christianity came to britain it hunted down the people who held true the pagan beliefs, it named the pagan holy days as feasts to the 'one god' and the people who disagreed with this were outlawed, hunted down and exterminated - i guess they didnt get us all - though for successive centuries they have used many different ruses - the scriptures have been altered over time and are often read in accordanc with one or another notables - but of course, of the same religion - it is becoming rather transparrent - of course, in my opinion

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i 'have' looked at the scriptures rillyniceguy and i tried to absorb their chatechism too and i think i mentiond how utterly sad and dejected i was that i couldnt follow the same path as my entire family - that took courage and much soul searching and conviction in this not unintelligent woman - as i became an adult and woman that is - now, in my more mature years i am even more convinced that i was right to leave the church and all it wanted from me - behind and that those scriptures are tools of population control - with greed at that helm - and care for fellow beings nowhere to be seen - i reitterate - gimme science and good old common sense any day

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and i will shut up after this one - thanks for you good pointers keyotie.

you said; "Organized religion, and belief in a higher power are not the same thing." - hm ok - right, i have wxaed lyrical about organised religion so, to clarify my take on the higher power thing; phew - where to start? we exist - that is evident. i question the use of the word 'power' in preference to the word 'existence' and if seen that way then the evidence is irrefutable - we simply are - full stop. Power is a word i object to and would supplant with the word 'flow'.
I found a good book recently called 'flow' by Mihaly Czikszentmihalyi which i just opened at random to find mention of the joys of seeing and of hearing and of smelling - we have been conditioned to ignore these finer things and to revere the protestant work ethic instead - it beggars belief that people have fallen for this for so long - we are god in my opinion, we sense and we smell and taste and we experience - religion stinks and is very corrupt -in my opinion - gimme common sense and science any day - with love - Trish

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that day when i asked my dad the question and he said faith was needed was i think the day i grew up and started thinking for meyslf - i was very unhappy for a long time because i felt i was letting my family down because i couldnt muster this 'faith' which was so necessary to our happiness - i couldnt muster this faith because i couldnt understand why this god had let my mum die when i was four - that wasnt too kind in my opinion - so, here i go with my highest blasphemy yet - maybe it was my mum who died to save us - and maybe this sort of stuff happens all the time and is another of the emotional turning points which chri - sorry - some of the religions have usurped - it is a very clever entity religion - one time i read into apologetics and that really gets into the dirty tricks brigade - people have had the common sense bred out of them - ok i bet i get blasted fr that one - ho hum

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self actualisation or feeling good about how you conduct your life have the many variables which we may observe in any scientifically conducted experiment but it is subjective rather than objective - if we are subjected to constraints, whether they be from religion or elsewhere, it effects the objective outcome, inevitably. so until we are without those constraints and arguments there remain too many variables for any other order - or, when enough people believe, then an idea gathers momentum and i think this is what history and the slowness of change is about. Ah, yes, Maslows Heirarchy of Need - applied to the existence of god - i am not qualified to answer and am not even sure if what i said makes sense but will open it for scrutiny as i consider this such an important topic.
I think maybe i am saying that it may take enough people to question the status quo before momentum gathers.

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sorry - that laugh looks out of place - just laughing at my own silliness is all

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yup - - ok - i think that maybe people have been conditioned thus and de-conditioned from a belief in self actualisation -

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it said books - in the plural

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i think it was an early attempt at popuation control which they have kept adding to -