so, is it about winning for winnings sake or getting across that their behaviour has hurt you or does it just make people see red - is there such a thing as 'reasoned argument'
just want to know what you all think are the best ways. Do you let rip and get it all said n done with or storm off and refuse to talk. Does all the bad feeling hang around for days or what?
Hows about sending the queen to prison for so crudely flaunting all that wealth in the faces of people who leave school hardly able to spell because most of the schools, especially the inner city ones cant afford enough teachers. Not that spelling is the be all and end all, its more about effective teaching instilling confidence in pupils - and various other overlooked life skills too.
Oh poor Queenie - it isnt just her fault, the government for whom she stands a puppet have a lot ot answer for too.
In this disguise Hereward got into William’s camp and overheard his plans. When William ordered his men to attack Ely the third time Hereward’s men hidden in the reeds set fire to the vegetation and the wind did the rest. The flames rapidly engulfed the Normans and those who tried to escape were either drowned in the marsh or picked off by English arrows. Then some treacherous monks of Ely, growing weary of the privations they had to suffer, went in secret to the king and offered to show him a way across the Fens. William agreed and a band of Normans was led across the Fens. Hereward and his men were surprised and a thousand of them were killed and their camp captured. Hereward and five of his comrades fought on and crossed the marshes at a place where the enemy did not dare follow. Thus they escaped into Lincolnshire and were hidden by some Saxon fisherman. Still the disaffected English rallied to Hereward and he made constant raids upon the Normans greatly harassing them, killing many, putting the rest to flight and seizing their horses. Then one day he took prisoner his old enemy Ivo Taillebois and promised to give him his liberty on condition that he went to William carrying proposals of peace. The king was only too glad, for he had come to respect Hereward and preferred to have the brave English leader as a friend rather than as a foe. Hereward went to Winchester where he swore allegiance to William and gained the king’s favour who restored his lands. This is confirmed by the Domesday book. One night however he was set upon by a band of envious Normans and although he managed to kill fifteen of them with his famous sword Brainbiter he was stabed in the back and fell dying, a hero to the end.
The author of the Gesta, writing no more than fifty years after William’s assault on Ely, tells us that he remembers seeing fishermen dredging Norman skeletons, still in their rusty armour, out of the fen. Songs were being sung about Hereward in taverns a hundred years after his death; and in the thirteenth century people still visited a ruined wooden castle in the Fens which was known as Hereward’s Castle. But later he was supplanted by another outlaw-hero, Robin Hood, as a symbol of resistance to oppression.
Hereward was the son of Leofric, the Earl of Mercia and his mother was Lady Godiva. He was the uncle of Edwin and Morcar who were the last surviving members of the English royal house and he was born at Bourne in Lincolnshire where the Domesday Book confirms that he held lands there and also in Warwickshire and Worcestershire.
Earl Leofric was very harsh and the people of Coventry suffered greatly because of him. His wife, Lady Godiva was very different, she was a gentle, pious, loving woman who had already won an almost saintly reputation for sympathy and pity by her sacrifice to save her husbands oppressed citizens at Coventry, where her pleading won relief for them from the harsh earl on the pitiless condition of her never-forgotten ride. Happily her gentle self-suppression awoke a nobler spirit in her husband and enabled him to play a worthier part in England’s history.
Lady Godiva wanted Hereward to become a monk, but Hereward would have none of it and refused to study. He was a wild wayward lad, with long golden curls, eyes of different colours, one grey, and one blue. He had great breadth and strength of limb, and a wild and ungovernable temper, which made him difficult to control. He spent his time wrestling, boxing, fighting, and all manly exercises. Despairing of making an ecclesiastic of him, his mother set herself to inspire him with a noble ideal of Knighthood. When he reached the age of sixteen or seventeen he became the terror of the Fen Country, and at his fathers Hall of Bourne he gathered a band of youths as wild and reckless as himself, who accepted him as their leader and obeyed him implicitly, however outrageous were his commands. In all of Hereward’s lawless deeds, however there was no meanness or crafty malice. He took his punishment when it came with equable cheerfulness. He robbed merchants with a high hand, but made reparation liberally counting himself well satisfied with the fun of a fight or the skill of a clever trick. His band of youths met and fought other bands, but they bore no malice when the struggle was over. The only flaw Hereward had in his character was he would not admit anyone was stronger than he, or more handsome, but credit due, he had both attributes in abundance.
Hereward’s father could do nothing to control his son, so Leofric begged an audience with the king (Edward the Confessor), and formally asked for a writ of outlawry against his own son. This done Hereward rode away, followed into exile by Martin Lightfoot, who left Leofric’s service for that of his outlawed son. Though the king’s writ of outlawry might run in Mercia, it did not carry more than nominal weight in Northumbria, where Earl Siward (note the connection for Siward was the father of Waltheof) ruled almost as an independent lord. In Northumbria lived his godfather Gilbert of Ghent, and his castle was known as an excellent training school for young aspirants to the knighthood. Sailing from Dover, Hereward landed at Whitby (this is near Robin Hood's Bay) and made his way to Gilbert’s castle, where he was well received, since the cunning Fleming knew that an outlawry could be reversed at any time, and Leofric’s son might yet come to rule England. (This was before the Norman invasion.) He soon showed himself to be a brave warrior, an unequalled wrestler, and a wary fighter, who outdid them in all manly sports. Gilbet kept in his castle a large white Polar bear which was feared by all for its enormous strength, it was called the Fairy Bear, but it was no fairy. They said it bore some kinship to Earl Siward who had a bear on his crest and he was reputed to be as fierce as one. The bear was kept in a cage and for added security one leg was chained, but this particular day when Hereward was returning with Martin from his morning ride they heard a commotion. Inside the courtyard stood the escaped bear with the broken chain dangling, and with no way of
Im a mature (haha, some would argue that) uni student in England (social sciences), we get grants to pay for the actual education and loans to help with living costs. I will have a debt of more than £15,000 when my course ends but dont have to start paying it till my income reaches something like £20,000 - its ok, i can cope with that.
Ive enjoyed reading all of this thread but there is one point I feel I should make regarding your comment about Darfur CinVida. As I understand things there, the government of that country are getting their money from the Chinese who are setting up refineries, using their own workers and practice a non-interventionist policy towards the countries politics. The monies thus recieved are then used by the corrupt government to arm the militia who keep the terror and poverty going. America are not the largest donors of money there. I think there is trouble brewing and couldnt let this point pass in good conscience.
Anyone who stands up for their beliefs is a hero in my mind.
The monarchy is just another way of perpetuating social control and I will/would have much more respect for them if they were just a tad more human. Its unreal - so many aspire to be like them, amassing wealth and property, inbreeding etc - all the wealthy families do it and are so 'well connected' - hahahaha 'Workers Unite' they should spread a bit of their privilidge, after all, what did most of em do to earn it - its mostly handed down wealth which stops it from ever being shared fairly - talk about the haves and have nots - so long as people accept the ?honours? it allows this unfairness to continue.
Thanks, she was one fiesty ancestor hey!!! I read the novel not long back but shes been one of my favourites since i was a kid. Come to think about it, its probably why im so arsey about religion hahaha
The historians decided to change the pronunciation of her name late 20thC. Boadacea became Boudicca - not sure what they found but it mustve been significant - will look later.
Theres another hereo of mine called Hereward The Wake - his was a slightly similar story - will look for a condensed version.
Thanks Hun, what do people expect - its crazy - if we are in their countries fighting then they are going to retaliate somehow.
Its a bit early to say though , i have the news on here and they dont know who is responsible yet - it could be someone with a gripe against the forthcoming smoking ban for all i know
I have always had a great deal of sympathy for the First Nations too Paws, they were and continue to be treated abysmally by the people who stole their lands - Thanks for posting this
all the stuff you mention seems pretty typical of emotional blackmail and is often a form of defence used by insecure people - both male and female. I wouldnt go accusing him of this cos it may bring his insecurities to a head quite abruptly but read up on how to deal with it sensitively
Its a good one to look up Hun, it will serve you well all through your life - wikipedia is where i usually start looking things up cos theres usually lots of links from there - I hope it will do some good for both of you
seems like theres a lot to talk about with whats happening but all I can say is - dont take emotional blackmail from anybody, if they are trying to do that to you then they are not worth your time
trish123 Forum Posts (13,724)
yup!!!!
How do you deal with an argument ?
so, is it about winning for winnings sake or getting across that their behaviour has hurt you or does it just make people see red - is there such a thing as 'reasoned argument'