New report out of Harvard indicates that social distancing may be necessary until 2022 if no vaccine

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Sounds unlikely ...

Social Distancing/Stay A Home (SAH) or not -- In two years, the disease will likely have spread to enough folks to have established some degree of Herd Immunity.
It'll then have fewer opportunities to spread.

Also --
It may've mutated into a less virulent strain.

cowboy
mi - That depends upon both; if one does have immunity after recovering, and if so, how long does it last ? We are not sure of either answer yet.
As far as mutations, it could mutate, but it could also mutate to a more infectious and/or more lethal strain too. However, I read that it has a proofreading molecule that eliminates most mutations.

Interesting.

Does getting the disease confer Immunity?
I've heard conflicting information.

A NON-mutating virus might be a Good thing.
If it stays "as is", it might be More susceptible to herd immunity ... Also might be easier to develop a vaccine.
It'd be less of a moving target, one might guess dunno

Vaccines.
It was happening for millennia prior to Edward Jenner & smallpox.
A contagion hits a population & spreads ... Herd immunity is developed.

Vaccination is our mimicry of a natural process.
Hell! Jenner Observed it occurring naturally ... Then came up with the "vaccination" concept -- human-induced immunity.

Our species gives itself too much credit -- Like nothin' happens unless WE do it.
laugh

cowboy
Jim ~ Herd immunity is questionable. I do know that if I have to stay at home and am just allowed a walk and to go and get food from the shops, and distancing if I do go out, this will not work.
How can people in cities put self distancing in to practice ? logistically it wouldl not work in a restaurant, coffee shop, unless they took out the tables and left quarter the amount, and in doing so, they would have to increase prices greatly to be able to afford to use the space they rent ?

I won't go on..... I am sure there are experts planning it all out but I can't see it working.
What I can see is many many people on antidepressants, and obesity going through the roof. I just bought myself a load of rubbish food [cake and cookies ] while out for my walk. I have not done this until today, something just snapped. I needed that 'hit' that staying at home and reading, going for a long walk coming home to myself and my Cat gives me. I miss being out and about and meeting friends and doing my bit of voluntary work with animals, and I can't even get a garden centre open for gardening. I have no topsoil.

Sorry I went totally off topic. This reply is too long. Thanks for the new Report from Harvard. They do know what they are talking about, I was seeing things from my own perspective and I am used to living alone too. sad flower
hmmm

And folks marvel that Libertarian types are a mite wary of Comrade Bernard, AOCchh & such??

cowboy
If they give me a monthly check to stay at home, they can take all the time they want. banana
This Might be ending in a LOT less'n a couple Years ...

grin

That "News" was just passed along to me & seems to be a few days old.

I'm thinking it was known in medical circles before it became News ...
It's remarkably similar (nearly Spot On!) to information put out through the VA System just over a week ago.

cowboy
This would be somewhat hilarious, if it didn't affect lives.
The 'real' data is AFFECTED by the shutdowns. It would be more like the Gates-Fauci models,
if not for those shutdowns.
If we return to returning to business as usual, there will be a jump up in infections,
which will return another peak in infections and later another peak in deaths.
Once again, Trump has more concern for $$$$, than American lives.
Instead, we need to await testing (virus & antibodies to virus) to determine who
CAN return to work as usual. The others should not.
Once an effective vaccine is available, then those vaccinated can return to work.
How many people have to die, before people wake up to reality ?
Waiting for a vaccine that is very unrealistic Jim as they may never find it.
Many people want to go back to work and need to get a pay check........many bankruptcies..........
America only has so much money in the kitty and I read it is hitting bottom...........
People are already rebellion here and there and it is only the beginning..........
More people will die? That could be and I may be one of them, so be it, but this
social distancing has to end soon or people will die of other causes not the virus wave
Oh, I bet they will. There's several already several in human trials now.
There was real urgency to develop it, and there is also urgency to approve it after the trials.
Indeed, the race is on.
Yes, no doubt so many questions in rocky waters....too many questions and variables....and yet how can people stay in isolation for weeks and weeks....so many theories....it.s all up in the air!doh
"Incredible that Harvard would allow it's name & credibility to be attached to such foolishness "

Says a lot about Trump supporters and nothing about Harvard.laugh
mi - Seems like a person could shoot a LOT of deer & turkeys with that many rounds of ammo.
How will people survive without a job ? Oh wait. I don't have a job. I work for myself. A lot of people are working from home already and more have started since the pandemic.
People have survived a long time. Give them and the government more credit than that.
The bodies weren't piled up during the last recession, nor the great depression.
But, they are now. Disease kills quickly.
BTW --
Deer Cabin Redoubt guy is a retired Army Major.
He commanded artillery units. Coincidence?
hmmm

I ain't sayin'. I'm just sayin'. ... dunno

cowboy
First of all, they aren't hungry. Indeed, food sales are up 27%.
Lack of food is not the problem. Lack of toilet paper is a different story, as is lack of exercise.
I disagree with the shut down of National & State parks, if social distancing practices are followed.

Somehow, I don't figure you for a Yale person. laugh
Seriously, more than anyone else on here, I'd expect a comment like that out of you. beer
@ 6:30 --
The commentator in the vid in my comment above roll eyes Specifically addresses the Harvard Study cited in the OP.

cowboy
I think that people should be prepared that their life won't be the same until the vaccine. Even with the vaccine, there will be a lot of sick and dead people around (all those that don't want to get a vaccine and - as I can see - there's A LOT of them) and a lot of pressure on medical system while trying to help those who are against vaccination. So, those against the vaccine will again make a lot of problems for all of us.

Until we get the vaccine we will have to practice some way of social distancing and some special measures.

If they never discover the vaccine, I don't know what's going to happen... Maybe we will all get sick and become immune in time and - maybe not. Maybe we will get ill over and over and over again until only the strongest ones survive... Nobody can tell. dunno
If we don't get rid of Corona it's gonna get rid of us sooner or later.
Or maybe this is the time to turn against first world Africa. You know that everybody needs work for money but you also know that money does not everybody to work. Why not use the great surplus to keep a healthy population at home instead of sending them out to do something trivial and infectious.
It becomes something of a balancing act, Bella.

Weighing the outcome & making "adult decisions" about when the preventative measures inflict more misery -- and Death! -- than than the disease that's being Prevented ...

The interview appears to have been conducted earlier this week.
Again --
What's being said is Consistent with information put out by the VA nearly Two Weeks ago.

cowboy
Note that the Dr. being interviewed on Sky News is a Professor of Medicine AND a Research Associate in the field of Economics.

It might be presumed he takes a Significantly broader view of the situation than, say, the folks who produced the Harvard Study, who may've reached their conclusions by focusing too much on the timeframe for vaccine development without considering detrimental effects of a prolonged Lockdown.

They essentially arrived at questionable conclusion based on too a narrow view of the subject due to being overly Specialized --a classic example of "an Expert" ...

Someone who knows more & more about less & less until they know everything about nothing.
... As Jenny suggested a few comments above roll eyes ... wave

There's a LOT more to be taken away from the Harvard Study (and this blog) than what's been touched upon.

The Topic & Comments are among the most fascinating I've seen on a CS Blog.
Even to the selection of the Subject Category (Science).
It could easily, and arguably more accurately, be listed under at least One other category.

cowboy
I totally agree with your statement. However, the ones who refuse to be vaccinated, are going to create much greater problems for themselves.
Clearly the majority will become vaccinated, and thus become immune.
The ones who don't become vaccinated will likely die at a greater rate, than
those who get vaccinated, especially the aged and those with other health issues. However, some will recover and thus also likely become immune.

The key is that the ones who will refuse to be vaccinated will be in the minority. Thus, hospitals will not be overwhelmed, as they have been and
there won't need to be a shutdown, as most will be immune due to the majority being vaccinated, and immune after recovering.
Psychological, for anyone to set times like two years, in this case by the brains coming out of Harvard are not doing many people, who are already on the edge, a good turn, it may be just the push they need to go over the edge.
Your repeating this Jim is not a good move on your part. either, people don't need this.
You really believe that this report of Harvard is needed, needed by whom?
You seem to be proud of having it brought forward........why, it is a negative message
No one knows, not Harvard, not anyone knows, so it is all negative.

So people all have good food to eat eh, really? Well food banks are running low or closing ...........
Those using the food bank go there because they have no jobs...........these and having hungry children are soon going to revolt, Hungry people are Angry people.......
BREAKING!

NY Guv Andrew Cuomo describes Phased Plan to Re-open New York ...

This doesn't give the whole presentation.
But from what I'm hearing, it sounds sensible grin

It Could be based on what this guy wrote in the Wall Street Journal on March 24.

hmmm

cowboy
Since "no one knows". How do you KNOW it is negative ? It could be a positive message
(i.e. not requiring 3 years or more).
A negative person would view it as negative. I see it as realistic. wine
mi - did you actually listen to that video ? The next step is "testing" and they "don't have the testing capability". So, step 1 can't even happen anytime soon. P.S. I watched his whole talk yesterday.
MORE BREAKING --

The Don's Phased Plan to Re-Open the U.S. ...

Which, from what I've heard, sounds similar to Guv Cuomo's Plan for NY.

Suspect there may collusion goin' on here -- of the GOOD sort grin

popcorn ... drinking

cowboy
Trump is pushing for opening before sufficient testing is available.
That is in direct contrast to what Cuomo will do.
Jim; First of all, they aren't hungry. Indeed, food sales are up 27%.
Yes Jim this "proves" there are no hungry people;

Who are the 27% Jim?
Those with money are, of hoarders or were able to buy extra groceries..........
Not the poor slob who has no job and needs the food bank.
People need to get back to work...............Soon as possible............
This is happening NOW & things may (WILL) change.

As Guv Cuomo said, we're re-opening and re-starting the state -- That's not been done before.
He, The Don -- ALL OF US -- are literally writing The Book as we go along.
And living things that Will be written in History Books.

popcorn ... drinking

cowboy
Guv Cuomo's observation that Lockdown can NOT be sustained by his state (after a few WEEKS!) Underscores the essential Idiocy of even Suggesting prolonged or intermittent shut down over TWO YEARS. crazy

cowboy

:
I never said, that no people are hungry. Unfortunately, there are hungry people before the pandemic, during, and likely after. Try to understand my actual words.

The poor "slob" who needs the food bank was out of work before the pandemic.
A lot of money was donated to food banks recently by some benevolent billionaires.
None of them were named Trump.

No, as soon as it is reasonably safe to do so. head banger
AGAIN;

You never said this?
Hungry people become angry people.
JIM; First of all, they aren't hungry. Indeed, food sales are up 27%. thumbs down
Jen - you are mixing up 2 things. The "poor slobs" and the people protesting. The people protesting aren't poor and they aren't hungry. They aren't protesting because they are "hungry". They all had cars, many are overweight, and they all were defiant. Even though it is a temporary situation, they are protesting, because they think their freedom is being taken away from them. So, like little spoiled brats, they are defying the governor's attempt to help everyone. They lack common sense and are counterproductive, as it will increase the time needed to flatten the curve and the number of dead.




















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Where are the Harvard scientist today? Still sticking to two years to find a vaccine?
I never took the flue vaccine and doubt it very much that I would take one for the corona virus

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From the beginning I argued, that it would not take 2 years, as science has advanced in the past few years and there is real urgency. I anticipate that it will take 1/2 that time. Time will tell.
I'm not sure what your objection to getting a vaccine would be. But, it could save your life.


Someone else does agree with what I have said............cheering
Saw some were else where it was told on a video, that they had given up on the Bill Gates vaccine
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