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Tremseh killings targeted rebels – UN monitors
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
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Boban1: Tremseh killings targeted rebels – UN monitors
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
Our President Obama launching a OCT attack on Syria? Only weeks before the election? When he is back by anti war and liberals?
OK if you say so..........
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ttom500: Our President Obama launching a OCT attack on Syria? Only weeks before the election? When he is back by anti war and liberals?
OK if you say so..........
OK if you say so..........
Not me ..one of the comments under the article...
and besides "October surprise" indicates October
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ttom500: Was Mother Agnes in Treshem to witness this attack? She made one report on one incident. By now you have 100s of Syrian military attacks on the Sryian civilians....how we know that? Over 100,000 have fled the country.
Incorrect! She has sent several/Many to Human Rights groups as well. But you are right she was not in Treshem, but generally you can gauge a person (or gangs) honesty by their past claims/Lies.
BTW, Maybe it hasn’t made it Stateside yet, But the UN has in effect rubbished Rebel claims regarding Treshen…
Although there are indeed thousands fleeing Syria, a good proportion of these people are fleeing the Al Qaeda/Rebels who GIVE THEM TWO CHOICES, FIGHT ASSAD OR DIE!!
ttom500:
You cannot base your military situation determination on one report.
You need to look at the overall situation.....the big picture. Find that, then anomalies begin to appear. The things that Mother Agnes might have witnessed. Do you want the answer to the anomaly? Sure.
You cannot base your military situation determination on one report.
You need to look at the overall situation.....the big picture. Find that, then anomalies begin to appear. The things that Mother Agnes might have witnessed. Do you want the answer to the anomaly? Sure.
Her reports are just a few of many, and the Rebels have proved themselves liars and criminals on many occasions now TT…
ttom500:
But you cannot lose sight of the big picture.
The big Picture is Syria is this. You have un-monitored Russian and Iran troop that have a lpoose chain og command control. You have a alQeada presence, that I think is run from Iran. We can debate that. You have most of the civilian deaths coming from heavy weapons that the SFA doesnot have.
But you cannot lose sight of the big picture.
The big Picture is Syria is this. You have un-monitored Russian and Iran troop that have a lpoose chain og command control. You have a alQeada presence, that I think is run from Iran. We can debate that. You have most of the civilian deaths coming from heavy weapons that the SFA doesnot have.
More UNFOUNDED rubbish backed by NO poof, REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING TT??
Do tell me JUST ONE document that states that the civilian deaths are due to heavy arms!! Which so called military attack?? I look forward to seeing that one TT!!!
ttom500:
Going to be real easy for the UN observation team to determine if it was heavy weapons that did the killing in the Tremseh. Artillery leaves wounds that are hard to imagine....and certainly not done by small arms fire.
You say they were firing at alQeada. Well Syria government says they had no role in the Tremseh attack.....go figure, right?
Going to be real easy for the UN observation team to determine if it was heavy weapons that did the killing in the Tremseh. Artillery leaves wounds that are hard to imagine....and certainly not done by small arms fire.
You say they were firing at alQeada. Well Syria government says they had no role in the Tremseh attack.....go figure, right?
I SAID: QUOTE “”the ISSUE is not whether the area was attacked by Assad military (THAT IS ACCEPTED) the issue is AGAIN, that these AL QAEDA assisted Mercenaries are HOLDING innocent CIVILIANS against their will as SHIELDS against any attack by Assad forces. Then when attacked they CRY FOUL, about civilian losses, When both SIDES are equally to blame in this conflict AND THEIR MASTERS…””
I ALSO said that if you move from your one sided VIEW you will clearly see that BOTH sides In Syria are as much to blame as each other
BTW, Un findings rubbish Rebel claims of Military targeting civilians….
Kind Regards
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HI TT, Just for you another view!
Saudi & Qatar are the backers of the so called Free Syrian Army/ Al Qaeda who in turn are the active mercenary forces of the Kingdoms. The Kingdoms, Turkey and the equally laughably named Friends of Syria (western powers) are the main antagonists in the conflict within Syria. ALL claim that they are involved to rid Syrian society of its dictator in an effort to assist Syrians to achieve democracy.
Yet the worst offenders of such human rights abuses and torture are the very kingdoms that are financing , Arming and assisting their mercenaries and Al Qaeda to topple the Syrian regime. The latest news reports from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Saudi backed and militarized Bahrain show the total TWO FACED approach of the so called western democracies and indeed their collective (so called) Free press.
Whilst every single crime committed by the Syrian regime is most often Front Page news in the West (and that’s as it should be), there is very little IF ANYTHING reported by Western Media about the ongoing crimes and Torture of civilians / Women’s Rights within the Kingdoms.
Yet Mrs Clinton, Mr Hollande and other heads of state in the West, HAVE absolutely NO PROBLEM in singing the GOOD and Moral righteousness (Propaganda) of the so called Rebels in Syria. Mr Hollande even went as far as calling these rebels courageous, Righteous and morally just heroes who are fighting the regime of Syria!!
Three times now the US/NATO and the rulers of the Kingdoms have NOT hesitated to back Rebel claims about atrocities that have occurred inside Syria, this despite the FACT that their support was BOTH premature and unfounded on almost all occasions.
Here is a little sample about the kingdoms and their own use of torture and cruelty to keep their own subjects under the thumb of their own regimes.
MSF still refused entry to Bahrain
Whilst governmental oppression ACTUALLY threatens the lives of subjects of the Bahrain Kingdom back by the Saudi kingdom.
HRF, Human Rights in Bahrain being denied by Regime
TORTURE and ILLEGAL detention becomes more widespread..
Amnesty Int: On Qatar regime use of Torture
Also Qatar authorities UNWILLINGNESS to investigate or support victims of crimes against Women..
Princess Sara bint Talal bin Abdulaziz, claims political asylum in the UK
What happens when the monarchy begins to crumble? The ruling classes begin to flee..
Kind Regards
Saudi & Qatar are the backers of the so called Free Syrian Army/ Al Qaeda who in turn are the active mercenary forces of the Kingdoms. The Kingdoms, Turkey and the equally laughably named Friends of Syria (western powers) are the main antagonists in the conflict within Syria. ALL claim that they are involved to rid Syrian society of its dictator in an effort to assist Syrians to achieve democracy.
Yet the worst offenders of such human rights abuses and torture are the very kingdoms that are financing , Arming and assisting their mercenaries and Al Qaeda to topple the Syrian regime. The latest news reports from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Saudi backed and militarized Bahrain show the total TWO FACED approach of the so called western democracies and indeed their collective (so called) Free press.
Whilst every single crime committed by the Syrian regime is most often Front Page news in the West (and that’s as it should be), there is very little IF ANYTHING reported by Western Media about the ongoing crimes and Torture of civilians / Women’s Rights within the Kingdoms.
Yet Mrs Clinton, Mr Hollande and other heads of state in the West, HAVE absolutely NO PROBLEM in singing the GOOD and Moral righteousness (Propaganda) of the so called Rebels in Syria. Mr Hollande even went as far as calling these rebels courageous, Righteous and morally just heroes who are fighting the regime of Syria!!
Three times now the US/NATO and the rulers of the Kingdoms have NOT hesitated to back Rebel claims about atrocities that have occurred inside Syria, this despite the FACT that their support was BOTH premature and unfounded on almost all occasions.
Here is a little sample about the kingdoms and their own use of torture and cruelty to keep their own subjects under the thumb of their own regimes.
MSF still refused entry to Bahrain
Whilst governmental oppression ACTUALLY threatens the lives of subjects of the Bahrain Kingdom back by the Saudi kingdom.
HRF, Human Rights in Bahrain being denied by Regime
TORTURE and ILLEGAL detention becomes more widespread..
Amnesty Int: On Qatar regime use of Torture
Also Qatar authorities UNWILLINGNESS to investigate or support victims of crimes against Women..
Princess Sara bint Talal bin Abdulaziz, claims political asylum in the UK
What happens when the monarchy begins to crumble? The ruling classes begin to flee..
Kind Regards
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Boban1: Tremseh killings targeted rebels – UN monitors
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
A team of monitors visited the site of the killings on Saturday. After a preliminary examination they concluded that
“the attack on Tremseh appeared targeted at specific groups and houses, mainly of army defectors and activists.”
The UN monitors plan to return to the area and continue the investigation.
“First of all it’s very curious that just before important UN meetings we hear reports about massacres.” He added that speculation over the number of victims and whether or not women and children were involved undermined the credibility of media reports on the killings.
and a comment:
Nothing agitates the American people more than media induced sensationalism. And, nothing can match the sensational media stories of Assad "killing his own people". Truth is irrelevant.
The naive American people are being softened up with media sensationalism in time for the big "October surprise" - US attack on Syria.
American people rush to support their presidents whenever a war breaks out - and, what a blessing for Obama a new war would be.
There stands Barak Hussein Obama tall and proud as the cruise missiles and bombers wing their way to Syria.
Truth has never been a valuable ingredient the media campaign when the US-NATO Axis is agitating for war. Today, this Axis is agitating for war with Syria and Iran - tomorrow it will be Russia's turn to feel the wrath of this Axis.
I didn't see this report, Well spotted Boban
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ttom500: We all get taken once in while. Many liars in the world. Many try to cause international incidents and cause ill will. They get people killed.
We all can agree with that, yes?
Take Mother Agnes de Croix for instance. The nun that made the claim of seeing SFA killing Alawite in home city of Homs. I finally got around to seeing this nun a little better.
My first impression after seeing her photo while in Europe doing the interviews on the SFA atrocities. Was to think. My what a heavy eye brows, you have. Then my what a long nose, you have. Then might my what a large skull, you have. i was starting to think of the little red ridding hood story of the big bad wolf in granny night gown. She has all features of a man's face.
So I decided to to a little checking. You don't mind Iseek. The net is such a great place for research.
Here is a uTube video....were a expert explains the difference between a man face and skull and a women's.
Please do watch so you too can become a expert in physical feature identification of men and women faces.
So now let take a look at the Mother Agnes of recent media and claiming SFA atrocities in Homs
www.voltairenet./Os-cristaos-do-Oriete-erguem-se
Now let take a look at Mother Agnes at her Monastery during Christmas 2012. It is the same person......but is the person a female? Or a male impersonating a female nun?
She is there alright. So are other Palestine Christian nuns and take a look at the difference in the noses and facial features from Mother Agnes from them. It is in the dNA you know. All of them have the traditional women facial features and shorter noses.
We all can agree with that, yes?
Take Mother Agnes de Croix for instance. The nun that made the claim of seeing SFA killing Alawite in home city of Homs. I finally got around to seeing this nun a little better.
My first impression after seeing her photo while in Europe doing the interviews on the SFA atrocities. Was to think. My what a heavy eye brows, you have. Then my what a long nose, you have. Then might my what a large skull, you have. i was starting to think of the little red ridding hood story of the big bad wolf in granny night gown. She has all features of a man's face.
So I decided to to a little checking. You don't mind Iseek. The net is such a great place for research.
Here is a uTube video....were a expert explains the difference between a man face and skull and a women's.
Please do watch so you too can become a expert in physical feature identification of men and women faces.
So now let take a look at the Mother Agnes of recent media and claiming SFA atrocities in Homs
www.voltairenet./Os-cristaos-do-Oriete-erguem-se
Now let take a look at Mother Agnes at her Monastery during Christmas 2012. It is the same person......but is the person a female? Or a male impersonating a female nun?
She is there alright. So are other Palestine Christian nuns and take a look at the difference in the noses and facial features from Mother Agnes from them. It is in the dNA you know. All of them have the traditional women facial features and shorter noses.
Now the VERY best you can do is to DEFAME A NUN, accusing Mother Agnes of being A MAN! ARE you so desperate to justify your one sided stance that you will go to ANY NEW LOW!!
ttom500:
What else do we know about Mother Agnes?
What else do we know about Mother Agnes?
YOU KNOW LITTLE OR NOTHING!!!!! AS USUAL!!
ttom500:
She is a Palestine Lebanonese Christian. Been in Syria for 18 years. Helped to rebuild the monastry that had been largely destroyed there. She is outspoken critic of military operations around the world.
She is a Palestine Lebanonese Christian. Been in Syria for 18 years. Helped to rebuild the monastry that had been largely destroyed there. She is outspoken critic of military operations around the world.
She is Palestinian/Lebanese Christian , been in Syria since 1994. She is also the Mother Superior who has spent most of her time in Syria, being the GREATEST critic of the Assad Regime having sent over 50 letters of complaint about the Regime DIRECTLY to President Assad, Not to mention MANY newspaper articles etc directly berating Assad despite Great risk to herself and indeed the restoration project, along with French, Belgian, German and other European students and experts working on the restoration.
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Protesters threw tomatoes and shoes at Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade on Sunday during her first visit to Egypt since the election of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi. A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face, and shoes and a water bottle landed near the armored cars carrying Clinton's delegation in the port city of Alexandria after she gave a speech on democratic rights.
A senior U.S. official said neither Clinton nor her vehicle, which was around the corner from the incident, were hit by the projectiles, which were thrown as U.S. officials and reporters walked to the motorcade after her speech.
Protesters chanted "Monica, Monica," a reference to the extra-marital affair conducted by Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, while in the White House. Others earlier chanted "leave, Clinton" an Egyptian security official said.
It was not clear who the protesters were or what were their political affiliations. Demonstrations have become common in Egypt since former President Hosni Mubarak, long-time U.S. ally, was brought down by mass street protests last year.
Now you may ask ,how is that connected to the given topic;
so much about overthrowing government and " dictators"
A senior U.S. official said neither Clinton nor her vehicle, which was around the corner from the incident, were hit by the projectiles, which were thrown as U.S. officials and reporters walked to the motorcade after her speech.
Protesters chanted "Monica, Monica," a reference to the extra-marital affair conducted by Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, while in the White House. Others earlier chanted "leave, Clinton" an Egyptian security official said.
It was not clear who the protesters were or what were their political affiliations. Demonstrations have become common in Egypt since former President Hosni Mubarak, long-time U.S. ally, was brought down by mass street protests last year.
Now you may ask ,how is that connected to the given topic;
so much about overthrowing government and " dictators"
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Now the VERY best you can do is to DEFAME A NUN, accusing Mother Agnes of being A MAN! ANY NEW LOW!!YOU KNOW LITTLE OR NOTHING!!!!! AS USUAL!!
So you dispute the evidence of a facial expert....that shows you the difference in the male and female skulls? You dispute the very image made at the monastry? During the Mother statement to the European press?
Why is it so hard to to think that a Palestine male would impersonate a Christian nun? I have debrief a woman that felt she was marrying a Christian Morroccan. She was taken for $250,000 in a fake marriage scam. Her pastor could not recognize that the man was a Christian impersonator.
Just think about the world stage that being a Christian nun gives this Palestine male impersonator. Don't they have transgender men in your bit of the world? Could not a transgender male make it into a religious order? We have several movies in the US were they do exactly that.
I have showed the Mother Agnes photo to others here in the US....first thing that said...."that is a man".
You wanted proof earlier. Now when you get expert proof you deny it. Just because it blows your Mother Agnes story away. Only men have noses of the length that Mother Agnes nose is. Have heavy and deep set eye brows. Have full faces. Those all are male facial traits.
I said it is "likely" Mother Agnes is a man. From the photo evidence.
But you blow it into a full incrimination of the Mother and her religious order. To attack me.
I show how the religious order would have needed Assad government assistance to rebuild the monastry. Don't you have building code there? Don't your government agency monitor and approve your building loans? I am sure they do.
In Syria,it is Assad's government doing the code approvals, lending approvals and building permits. Do you really think that this monastry was rebuilt without them? So for 18 years this religious group needs a close working relationship with the Assad government.
Aren't there Christians in the Alawite Sect? Yes. Mother Agnes said refugees were taking sanctionary in her monastry. So she wants to protect them from ...... atrocity. Atrocities from the Assad government perhaps?. So Extortion oculd be at play here. But I have seen religious orders used in 'Vet Nam' and in 'Central America' by the government.
You don't want the truth to Syria, or do you just want a platform to spread the same that Mother Agnes is or is being forced to? Here is why. AS they say "truth is stranger than fiction". Mother Agnes being a man, would clearly fit into that.
But let us take this into a different direction of investigation.
How many middle age Superior Mother are up late at night in a town miles away from their monastry? Check the monastry photos out.....it is not in the town. Or a town near. The nearest town is miles away.
Most Mother Superiors I know off....at 2am-6am ....are asleep in bed in a room in their monastry. For most, it is part of their religious order vows, you know. Mid night prayer. Virtuous life style.
Your Mother Agenes does not tell us what she was doing in the towns were the atrocrites in her reports at 3am to 6am. That is not just once, but for each of the "observed town atrocities" she says to have seen. How does she know that a atrocity is even taking place if she was living at the monastry? No, so I am sorry his/her story falls all a part with a little fact finding and with some deduction work.
So don't complain to me because a Palestine covert operation has been "likely" been exposed in Syria. Do you really think that the Palestines would not put together a covert operation around a Christian religious order in Syria? And would not a Palestine covert operation work in unison with the Assad government at this time? A covert operation that today is aiding Assad, Putin, Iran and the alQeada of Syria?
Sure it would.
So you dispute the evidence of a facial expert....that shows you the difference in the male and female skulls? You dispute the very image made at the monastry? During the Mother statement to the European press?
Why is it so hard to to think that a Palestine male would impersonate a Christian nun? I have debrief a woman that felt she was marrying a Christian Morroccan. She was taken for $250,000 in a fake marriage scam. Her pastor could not recognize that the man was a Christian impersonator.
Just think about the world stage that being a Christian nun gives this Palestine male impersonator. Don't they have transgender men in your bit of the world? Could not a transgender male make it into a religious order? We have several movies in the US were they do exactly that.
I have showed the Mother Agnes photo to others here in the US....first thing that said...."that is a man".
You wanted proof earlier. Now when you get expert proof you deny it. Just because it blows your Mother Agnes story away. Only men have noses of the length that Mother Agnes nose is. Have heavy and deep set eye brows. Have full faces. Those all are male facial traits.
I said it is "likely" Mother Agnes is a man. From the photo evidence.
But you blow it into a full incrimination of the Mother and her religious order. To attack me.
I show how the religious order would have needed Assad government assistance to rebuild the monastry. Don't you have building code there? Don't your government agency monitor and approve your building loans? I am sure they do.
In Syria,it is Assad's government doing the code approvals, lending approvals and building permits. Do you really think that this monastry was rebuilt without them? So for 18 years this religious group needs a close working relationship with the Assad government.
Aren't there Christians in the Alawite Sect? Yes. Mother Agnes said refugees were taking sanctionary in her monastry. So she wants to protect them from ...... atrocity. Atrocities from the Assad government perhaps?. So Extortion oculd be at play here. But I have seen religious orders used in 'Vet Nam' and in 'Central America' by the government.
You don't want the truth to Syria, or do you just want a platform to spread the same that Mother Agnes is or is being forced to? Here is why. AS they say "truth is stranger than fiction". Mother Agnes being a man, would clearly fit into that.
But let us take this into a different direction of investigation.
How many middle age Superior Mother are up late at night in a town miles away from their monastry? Check the monastry photos out.....it is not in the town. Or a town near. The nearest town is miles away.
Most Mother Superiors I know off....at 2am-6am ....are asleep in bed in a room in their monastry. For most, it is part of their religious order vows, you know. Mid night prayer. Virtuous life style.
Your Mother Agenes does not tell us what she was doing in the towns were the atrocrites in her reports at 3am to 6am. That is not just once, but for each of the "observed town atrocities" she says to have seen. How does she know that a atrocity is even taking place if she was living at the monastry? No, so I am sorry his/her story falls all a part with a little fact finding and with some deduction work.
So don't complain to me because a Palestine covert operation has been "likely" been exposed in Syria. Do you really think that the Palestines would not put together a covert operation around a Christian religious order in Syria? And would not a Palestine covert operation work in unison with the Assad government at this time? A covert operation that today is aiding Assad, Putin, Iran and the alQeada of Syria?
Sure it would.
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ttom500:
I said it is "likely" Mother Agnes is a man. From the photo evidence.
But you blow it into a full incrimination of the Mother and her religious order. To attack me.
I said it is "likely" Mother Agnes is a man. From the photo evidence.
But you blow it into a full incrimination of the Mother and her religious order. To attack me.
That is EXACTLY what you meant to insinuate !!! Because otherwise why would you continue here to discredit A Nun to make yourself feel better?
ttom500:
I show how the religious order would have needed Assad government assistance to rebuild the monastry. Don't you have building code there? Don't your government agency monitor and approve your building loans? I am sure they do.
In Syria,it is Assad's government doing the code approvals, lending approvals and building permits. Do you really think that this monastry was rebuilt without them? So for 18 years this religious group needs a close working relationship with the Assad government.
Aren't there Christians in the Alawite Sect? Yes. Mother Agnes said refugees were taking sanctionary in her monastry. So she wants to protect them from ...... atrocity. Atrocities from the Assad government perhaps?. So Extortion oculd be at play here. But I have seen religious orders used in 'Vet Nam' and in 'Central America' by the government.
I show how the religious order would have needed Assad government assistance to rebuild the monastry. Don't you have building code there? Don't your government agency monitor and approve your building loans? I am sure they do.
In Syria,it is Assad's government doing the code approvals, lending approvals and building permits. Do you really think that this monastry was rebuilt without them? So for 18 years this religious group needs a close working relationship with the Assad government.
Aren't there Christians in the Alawite Sect? Yes. Mother Agnes said refugees were taking sanctionary in her monastry. So she wants to protect them from ...... atrocity. Atrocities from the Assad government perhaps?. So Extortion oculd be at play here. But I have seen religious orders used in 'Vet Nam' and in 'Central America' by the government.
Yes, aren’t there Christians who are also Zionists? What EXACTLY IS YOUR POINT??
BTW, Christians and other minorities are protected by the Syrian constitution as minorities, which CAN NOT even be said about the (so called) only democracy in the M.E., Israel….
ttom500:
You don't want the truth to Syria, or do you just want a platform to spread the same that Mother Agnes is or is being forced to? Here is why. AS they say "truth is stranger than fiction". Mother Agnes being a man, would clearly fit into that.
But let us take this into a different direction of investigation.
How many middle age Superior Mother are up late at night in a town miles away from their monastry? Check the monastry photos out.....it is not in the town. Or a town near. The nearest town is miles away.
Most Mother Superiors I know off....at 2am-6am ....are asleep in bed in a room in their monastry. For most, it is part of their religious order vows, you know. Mid night prayer. Virtuous life style.
You don't want the truth to Syria, or do you just want a platform to spread the same that Mother Agnes is or is being forced to? Here is why. AS they say "truth is stranger than fiction". Mother Agnes being a man, would clearly fit into that.
But let us take this into a different direction of investigation.
How many middle age Superior Mother are up late at night in a town miles away from their monastry? Check the monastry photos out.....it is not in the town. Or a town near. The nearest town is miles away.
Most Mother Superiors I know off....at 2am-6am ....are asleep in bed in a room in their monastry. For most, it is part of their religious order vows, you know. Mid night prayer. Virtuous life style.
You know many Mother Superior’s in a country being invaded by Rebels and Al Qaeda BACKED by THE most unjust DICTATOR of our time and his fellow Royals in the Kingdoms, who IN TURN are backed by the US /NATO ?? Her place and the place of Priests AND ALL OTHER religious leaders IS WITH THE CIVILIAN POPULATION!!
ttom500:
Your Mother Agenes does not tell us what she was doing in the towns were the atrocrites in her reports at 3am to 6am. That is not just once, but for each of the "observed town atrocities" she says to have seen. How does she know that a atrocity is even taking place if she was living at the monastry? No, so I am sorry his/her story falls all a part with a little fact finding and with some deduction work.
So don't complain to me because a Palestine covert operation has been "likely" been exposed in Syria. Do you really think that the Palestines would not put together a covert operation around a Christian religious order in Syria? And would not a Palestine covert operation work in unison with the Assad government at this time? A covert operation that today is aiding Assad, Putin, Iran and the alQeada of Syria?
Sure it would.
Your Mother Agenes does not tell us what she was doing in the towns were the atrocrites in her reports at 3am to 6am. That is not just once, but for each of the "observed town atrocities" she says to have seen. How does she know that a atrocity is even taking place if she was living at the monastry? No, so I am sorry his/her story falls all a part with a little fact finding and with some deduction work.
So don't complain to me because a Palestine covert operation has been "likely" been exposed in Syria. Do you really think that the Palestines would not put together a covert operation around a Christian religious order in Syria? And would not a Palestine covert operation work in unison with the Assad government at this time? A covert operation that today is aiding Assad, Putin, Iran and the alQeada of Syria?
Sure it would.
You are so full of BS, this whole conversation has become laughable to be quite FRANK!!
You continue to invent absolute untruths and unfounded claims to JUSTIFY your own absolute hate of anything or anybody who might get in the way of the US/NATO desire to invade and take ownership of Syria. You don’t EVEN care in the slightest that innocent CIVILIANS will die in the process of your desired conquest.
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Boban1: Protesters threw tomatoes and shoes at Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade on Sunday during her first visit to Egypt since the election of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi. A tomato struck an Egyptian official in the face, and shoes and a water bottle landed near the armored cars carrying Clinton's delegation in the port city of Alexandria after she gave a speech on democratic rights.
A senior U.S. official said neither Clinton nor her vehicle, which was around the corner from the incident, were hit by the projectiles, which were thrown as U.S. officials and reporters walked to the motorcade after her speech.
Protesters chanted "Monica, Monica," a reference to the extra-marital affair conducted by Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, while in the White House. Others earlier chanted "leave, Clinton" an Egyptian security official said.
It was not clear who the protesters were or what were their political affiliations. Demonstrations have become common in Egypt since former President Hosni Mubarak, long-time U.S. ally, was brought down by mass street protests last year.
Now you may ask ,how is that connected to the given topic;
so much about overthrowing government and " dictators"
A senior U.S. official said neither Clinton nor her vehicle, which was around the corner from the incident, were hit by the projectiles, which were thrown as U.S. officials and reporters walked to the motorcade after her speech.
Protesters chanted "Monica, Monica," a reference to the extra-marital affair conducted by Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, while in the White House. Others earlier chanted "leave, Clinton" an Egyptian security official said.
It was not clear who the protesters were or what were their political affiliations. Demonstrations have become common in Egypt since former President Hosni Mubarak, long-time U.S. ally, was brought down by mass street protests last year.
Now you may ask ,how is that connected to the given topic;
so much about overthrowing government and " dictators"
Yep, Egypt has gone from one western backed Dictator to what is estimated to be YET another Western backed Dictator..
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Iseek: Yep, Egypt has gone from one western backed Dictator to what is estimated to be YET another Western backed Dictator..
The just threw tomatos and shoes at Hillary Clinton motorcaide in Egypt. So it has to be a different western party than the US....LOL.....is Ireland doing anything in Egypt?
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The Syrian Ambassador from Iraq, Ambassdor Fares. On a BBC interveiw....just said Assad WILL use chemical weapons on the Syrian people. That there is a unconfirmed report that he has already done so
in Homs.
Fares was considered to be a hardline supporter of Assad. So his defection is surprising to the leader of SFA.
Fares goes on to say...that outcome was now "inevitable" that Assad was going to fall.
He close ties to the Syrian intelligence services and was a former govenor in several Syrian provinces.
Fares says that the spreading violence into the Damascus is a sign that the rebellion is growing in strength......
news.yahoo.com/assad-chemical-weapons-top-defector-234009246.html
Guess we now know were Sadam Hussien WMDs ended up.....
in Homs.
Fares was considered to be a hardline supporter of Assad. So his defection is surprising to the leader of SFA.
Fares goes on to say...that outcome was now "inevitable" that Assad was going to fall.
He close ties to the Syrian intelligence services and was a former govenor in several Syrian provinces.
Fares says that the spreading violence into the Damascus is a sign that the rebellion is growing in strength......
news.yahoo.com/assad-chemical-weapons-top-defector-234009246.html
Guess we now know were Sadam Hussien WMDs ended up.....
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Mafioso tactics: Smaller countries must fall when US says so
Resorting to blackmail tactics in order to push through a UN resolution allowing the use of external force shows that the US is extremely frustrated that Assad has been able to hold on to power in Syria for so long, activist Brian Becker told RT.
Moscow said on Monday that Western governments are trying to blackmail Russia into supporting their draft of the Syrian resolution, threatening to end the UN observer mission if a deal is not reached.
The director of the ANSWER anti-war coalition, Brian Becker, told RT that the US wants to intimidate Beijing and Moscow in the international arena so it can do what it wants in order to reach the ultimate goal of overthrowing the Assad government.
Resorting to blackmail tactics in order to push through a UN resolution allowing the use of external force shows that the US is extremely frustrated that Assad has been able to hold on to power in Syria for so long, activist Brian Becker told RT.
Moscow said on Monday that Western governments are trying to blackmail Russia into supporting their draft of the Syrian resolution, threatening to end the UN observer mission if a deal is not reached.
The director of the ANSWER anti-war coalition, Brian Becker, told RT that the US wants to intimidate Beijing and Moscow in the international arena so it can do what it wants in order to reach the ultimate goal of overthrowing the Assad government.
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A comment which I found interesting;
I agree with you absolutely. In the case of Libya, the conditions on the ground were different: Gaddafi was up against the entire NATO and also the same Gulf money and mercenaries were at play in Libya. Still, Gaddafi could have still resisted if the entire wait of NATO was not brought to the battlefield in Libya. The situation is much different in Syria: larger, better trained, well equipped, professional national army and the strong support of Russia ( and China) which keeps out NATO. As a result, now we see how the media war of misinformation and money are being used to won the war on Syria! Every defection, however minor, is treated as sign that Assad is going to fall next hour. Now we see the entire Western media playing up the fighting for Syria and imminent victory of the rebels. It is astonishing how there is no longer a line that divides legitimate and illegitimate journalism in the U.S and the British media when it comes to Syria. The colonial fraternity and brotherhood that unites the British and the U.S has become clear since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The U.S and the British want to re-colonise the Arab and the Muslim world in front of the entire world! I am deeply shocked because I remained somewhat naïve even after the 2003 U.S/UK invasion of Iraq. I just did not want to believe that the British and the U.S were joining to achieve the recolonisation of the ME and Africa. When I saw last night a report that the U.S has been sending to Israel Iraqis national ancient artifacts it captured after the 2003 invasion of that country- I just wanted to cry. I did not want to believe my eyes. I had to watch the program at least three times to make sure I was not dreaming.
I agree with you absolutely. In the case of Libya, the conditions on the ground were different: Gaddafi was up against the entire NATO and also the same Gulf money and mercenaries were at play in Libya. Still, Gaddafi could have still resisted if the entire wait of NATO was not brought to the battlefield in Libya. The situation is much different in Syria: larger, better trained, well equipped, professional national army and the strong support of Russia ( and China) which keeps out NATO. As a result, now we see how the media war of misinformation and money are being used to won the war on Syria! Every defection, however minor, is treated as sign that Assad is going to fall next hour. Now we see the entire Western media playing up the fighting for Syria and imminent victory of the rebels. It is astonishing how there is no longer a line that divides legitimate and illegitimate journalism in the U.S and the British media when it comes to Syria. The colonial fraternity and brotherhood that unites the British and the U.S has become clear since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The U.S and the British want to re-colonise the Arab and the Muslim world in front of the entire world! I am deeply shocked because I remained somewhat naïve even after the 2003 U.S/UK invasion of Iraq. I just did not want to believe that the British and the U.S were joining to achieve the recolonisation of the ME and Africa. When I saw last night a report that the U.S has been sending to Israel Iraqis national ancient artifacts it captured after the 2003 invasion of that country- I just wanted to cry. I did not want to believe my eyes. I had to watch the program at least three times to make sure I was not dreaming.
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ttom500: The Syrian Ambassador from Iraq, Ambassdor Fares. On a BBC interveiw....just said Assad WILL use chemical weapons on the Syrian people. That there is a unconfirmed report that he has already done so
in Homs.
Fares was considered to be a hardline supporter of Assad. So his defection is surprising to the leader of SFA.
Fares goes on to say...that outcome was now "inevitable" that Assad was going to fall.
in Homs.
Fares was considered to be a hardline supporter of Assad. So his defection is surprising to the leader of SFA.
Fares goes on to say...that outcome was now "inevitable" that Assad was going to fall.
WOW the RAT who fled the sinking ship (to coin a phrase) is claiming that his former Masters are going to use CHEM WARFARE on his own people!!
Took you a while to catch up in the US TT, please see page no.23 post/thread no. 445.
BTW, my reply now is the same as it was then: “” DID they say within 15 minutes of readiness ??””
As I also said then, now we have ourselves ANOTHER WMD TYPE SITUATION.
In other words use whatever lies you have to! Like a clear IMMEDIATE threat to the civilian population….
ttom500:
He close ties to the Syrian intelligence services and was a former govenor in several Syrian provinces.
Fares says that the spreading violence into the Damascus is a sign that the rebellion is growing in strength......
He close ties to the Syrian intelligence services and was a former govenor in several Syrian provinces.
Fares says that the spreading violence into the Damascus is a sign that the rebellion is growing in strength......
IT’S a clear sign that the army have defeated the rebels in the outlined areas and as a result the rebels have resorted to attacks on the HEAVILY CIVILIAN populated Damascus! Which BTW, is a war crime!!
ttom500:
news.yahoo.com/assad-chemical-weapons-top-defector-234009246.html
Guess we now know were Sadam Hussien WMDs ended up.....
news.yahoo.com/assad-chemical-weapons-top-defector-234009246.html
Guess we now know were Sadam Hussien WMDs ended up.....
Yes, indeed, they ended up where they started, back in the infantile minds of their creators back in the US..
FYI, Just a tip you Americans won’t be aware of, Quoting the BBC as a source for anything except maybe East Enders ( a soap opera), is akin to saying that the little boy on the swing told me! It holds no water what so ever in Europe….
Regards
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Boban1: Mafioso tactics: Smaller countries must fall when US says so
Resorting to blackmail tactics in order to push through a UN resolution allowing the use of external force shows that the US is extremely frustrated that Assad has been able to hold on to power in Syria for so long, activist Brian Becker told RT.
Moscow said on Monday that Western governments are trying to blackmail Russia into supporting their draft of the Syrian resolution, threatening to end the UN observer mission if a deal is not reached.
The director of the ANSWER anti-war coalition, Brian Becker, told RT that the US wants to intimidate Beijing and Moscow in the international arena so it can do what it wants in order to reach the ultimate goal of overthrowing the Assad government.
Resorting to blackmail tactics in order to push through a UN resolution allowing the use of external force shows that the US is extremely frustrated that Assad has been able to hold on to power in Syria for so long, activist Brian Becker told RT.
Moscow said on Monday that Western governments are trying to blackmail Russia into supporting their draft of the Syrian resolution, threatening to end the UN observer mission if a deal is not reached.
The director of the ANSWER anti-war coalition, Brian Becker, told RT that the US wants to intimidate Beijing and Moscow in the international arena so it can do what it wants in order to reach the ultimate goal of overthrowing the Assad government.
Yep, they either buy you off, pay you off, deny you rights or as in the case of Russia and China threaten the opposition.
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Iseek: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan...in Syria?
Because he represents the US and its attempt to destroy Syrian sovereignty and set up yet another puppet dictatorship as it has done all over the world for the last 150 years.
Believe it or not, most people in the world don't want to live as poor vassals to a decadent drunken violent superpower that is incapable of solving its own problems but somehow feels justified in trying to run the world.
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Iseek: WOW the RAT who fled the sinking ship (to coin a phrase) is claiming that his former Masters are going to use CHEM WARFARE on his own people!!
Took you a while to catch up in the US TT, please see page no.23 post/thread no. 445.
BTW, my reply now is the same as it was then: “” DID they say within 15 minutes of readiness ??””
As I also said then, now we have ourselves ANOTHER WMD TYPE SITUATION.
In other words use whatever lies you have to! Like a clear IMMEDIATE threat to the civilian population….
IT’S a clear sign that the army have defeated the rebels in the outlined areas and as a result the rebels have resorted to attacks on the HEAVILY CIVILIAN populated Damascus! Which BTW, is a war crime!!Yes, indeed, they ended up where they started, back in the infantile minds of their creators back in the US..
FYI, Just a tip you Americans won’t be aware of, Quoting the BBC as a source for anything except maybe East Enders ( a soap opera), is akin to saying that the little boy on the swing told me! It holds no water what so ever in Europe….
Regards
Took you a while to catch up in the US TT, please see page no.23 post/thread no. 445.
BTW, my reply now is the same as it was then: “” DID they say within 15 minutes of readiness ??””
As I also said then, now we have ourselves ANOTHER WMD TYPE SITUATION.
In other words use whatever lies you have to! Like a clear IMMEDIATE threat to the civilian population….
IT’S a clear sign that the army have defeated the rebels in the outlined areas and as a result the rebels have resorted to attacks on the HEAVILY CIVILIAN populated Damascus! Which BTW, is a war crime!!Yes, indeed, they ended up where they started, back in the infantile minds of their creators back in the US..
FYI, Just a tip you Americans won’t be aware of, Quoting the BBC as a source for anything except maybe East Enders ( a soap opera), is akin to saying that the little boy on the swing told me! It holds no water what so ever in Europe….
Regards
LOL.....well fine Assad having you declare victory for him....ain't going to stop this civil war, Iseek. Once these things start, they don't stop while a minority is in power. Alawite as both know are the minority in Syria.
No matter how much blending and mixing you do with the Christians, Druze, and other faith are going to change that.
The heaviest fighting inside Damascus just happened last night. Assad has to surround the rebellion sections of the city with his armor.
And indiscriminately killed likely hundreds.
But if you wish to call a victory, when it is just getting started. I might say now I am just started. Because I don't like persons impersonating my faith for a man like Assad. So by the time this thread ends or your next is started, we going to know all there is to know about Mother Agnes de Croix and her Syrian Monastery.
You got near 200,000 Syrian having fled the country now. And they want back in. They alone out number all the Iranians, Russians and Syrian troops that are in the country.
So if you wish to declare Assad victory in Ireland feel free to.... because I have a feeling that they don't. And I think that they have more say in it than you do.
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However the Rebels/Al Qaeda willingness to hold civilians against their will and in effect as human shields , in areas that they (the rebels) KNOW are about to be bombarded by Assad forces IS THE ISSUE! (as proved by Mother Agnes in her report to the Vatican) Not whether the shelling happens or not!!
That is a BLATANT LIE!! On many an occasion I have pointed out facts about Assad his military and his Regime even before it made the newsstands State Side. But because I also point out the LIES the Rebels and Al Qaeda and their Masters Saudi and Qatar try to sell to the world. You object because in doing so, it does not fit the US/NATO agenda….You again miss the point (sometimes I think to suit yourself) the ISSUE is not whether the area was attacked by Assad military (THAT IS ACCEPTED) the issue is AGAIN, that these AL QAEDA assisted Mercenaries are HOLDING innocent CIVILIANS against their will as SHIELDS against any attack by Assad forces. Then when attacked they CRY FOUL, about civilian losses, When both SIDES are equally to blame in this conflict AND THEIR MASTERS…
Kind Regards
Was Mother Agnes in Treshem to witness this attack? She made one report on one incident. By now you have 100s of Syrian military attacks on the Sryian civilians....how we know that? Over 100,000 have fled the country.
You cannot base your military situation determination on one report.
You need to look at the overall situation.....the big picture. Find that, then anomalies begin to appear. The things that Mother Agnes might have witnessed. Do you want the answer to the anomaly? Sure.
But you cannot lose sight of the big picture.
The big Picture is Syria is this. You have un-monitored Russian and Iran troop that have a lpoose chain og command control. You have a alQeada presence, that I think is run from Iran. We can debate that. You have most of the civilian deaths coming from heavy weapons that the SFA doesnot have.
Going to be real easy for the UN observation team to determine if it was heavy weapons that did the killing in the Tremseh. Artillery leaves wounds that are hard to imagine....and certainly not done by small arms fire.
You say they were firing at alQeada. Well Syria government says they had no role in the Tremseh attack.....go figure, right?