Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
Send em email TT, but my bet was they don't move.. 
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ttom500: 2 hours and 42 minutes ago the arms ship made a U-turn and is headed back to Russia.
This according to the British Navy.
Always a man of my word.......
But you might have already known that by the time posted on the bet post........
This according to the British Navy.
Always a man of my word.......
But you might have already known that by the time posted on the bet post........
Where's the Yahoo mews article?
If true, at least they're not headed to Syria..
I'm still not going to bow to your wall of BS..
"Everybody knows that the dice are loaded; everybody rolls with their fingers crossed." ~Leonard Cohen
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Boban1: CIA, MI6 agents direct massacres in Syria: American analyst
Interesting headline, with a interesting video...
but what actually caught my attention was one comment on that video...This is a war NOT JUST ORCHESTRATED AGAINST SYRIA; this is a war orchestrated AGAINST RUSSIA, and the russian leaders very well know about it. The grand geopolitical design envisages installing puppet regimes in Syria and Teheran in order to further usa-europe interests in the Middle East and break the MILITARY backbone of Russia, and the ECONOMIC backbone of China. The question that remains to be asked is: ¿How many corpses of innocent syrian civilians is Putin,-the man at the helm in Russia-,prepared to watch as a a result of usa-israhell-ksa-qatar-turkey masterminded carnages in Syria, before pounding his fist on the table, and yelling at obama`s masters: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,
Interesting headline, with a interesting video...
but what actually caught my attention was one comment on that video...This is a war NOT JUST ORCHESTRATED AGAINST SYRIA; this is a war orchestrated AGAINST RUSSIA, and the russian leaders very well know about it. The grand geopolitical design envisages installing puppet regimes in Syria and Teheran in order to further usa-europe interests in the Middle East and break the MILITARY backbone of Russia, and the ECONOMIC backbone of China. The question that remains to be asked is: ¿How many corpses of innocent syrian civilians is Putin,-the man at the helm in Russia-,prepared to watch as a a result of usa-israhell-ksa-qatar-turkey masterminded carnages in Syria, before pounding his fist on the table, and yelling at obama`s masters: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,
That is ridiculous.
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bohemianjack: Where's the Yahoo mews article?
If true, at least they're not headed to Syria..
I'm still not going to bow to your wall of BS.. "Everybody knows that the dice are loaded; everybody rolls with their fingers crossed." ~Leonard Cohen
If true, at least they're not headed to Syria..
I'm still not going to bow to your wall of BS.. "Everybody knows that the dice are loaded; everybody rolls with their fingers crossed." ~Leonard Cohen
Think that Putin gave up just because ship turns around? Watch and learn.....
Know what a An-124 Condor is? The worlds largest military transport plane. Russia has 24 of them. One An-124 will hold 3 maybe 4 HINDs
The Russian ship will make port in Saint Petersburg and the HINDS
will placed in AN-124 Condors that are in the Russian Air Force
and then flown to Syria.
Putin has backup trans plan to supplying Russian tanks, helos and plans to shipping them by vessel. Vessel are cheaper. So he uses that first until caught. The profit margin is better Now he has been caught.
So he flies them there.
So don't worry Putin will get his HINDS and lot of other military hardware into the coming proxie war before it is over with.
But I still pulling for the 680m Sunnis.....I like the underdog.
By the way.....it was when 8 Russian transport planes flew into Kabul and offloaded a Russian Para unit when the Afghanistan war really began. The Afghans had been told it was relief supplies.
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Am Sorry, Iseek
Here is a update to Putin & Obama joint message on what they really meant they agreed on Syria,
I will let you do the analysis........
news,yahoo.com/blogs/obama-russia-china-not-signed-removing-syria-assad-012710164.html
Here is a update to Putin & Obama joint message on what they really meant they agreed on Syria,
I will let you do the analysis........
news,yahoo.com/blogs/obama-russia-china-not-signed-removing-syria-assad-012710164.html
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As usual, another bum link..
"I must say that you have so much flair and style when it comes to organizing people and creating a team-spirit activity." ~Alex Rapoport
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bohemianjack: As usual, another bum link..
"I must say that you have so much flair and style when it comes to organizing people and creating a team-spirit activity." ~Alex Rapoport
"I must say that you have so much flair and style when it comes to organizing people and creating a team-spirit activity." ~Alex Rapoport
Look... Analyze this TT..
LOS CABOS, Mexico | Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08pm EDT
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear during talks this week that he does not want President Bashar al-Assad to remain in power in Syria any longer, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/19/us-g20-syria-putin-idUSBRE85I1S320120619
“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wilde
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Escalating hostilities between President Assad's forces and Syrian rebels has become a daily part of life in Syria. As reports of civilian casualties mount there has been concern about what the response of the United States and Russia would be to this growing hot spot. U.S. President Obama and Russian President Putin have not surprisingly lost their patience with the dangerous escalation of hostilities in Syria and are calling for an end to the combat and a political transition in the country.
"The basis of optimism is sheer terror." ~OSCAR WILDE, The Picture of Dorian Gray
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Putin on Syria: No state can decide another's government
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bohemianjack: Look... Analyze this TT..
LOS CABOS, Mexico | Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08pm EDT
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear during talks this week that he does not want President Bashar al-Assad to remain in power in Syria any longer, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wilde
LOS CABOS, Mexico | Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08pm EDT
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear during talks this week that he does not want President Bashar al-Assad to remain in power in Syria any longer, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wilde
President Putin needs to tell that President Obama. Because at his new conference (which I heard live)....he clearly said Russia and China are not onboard with the removal of Assad.
But if international song and dance were a olympic sport, these two would be in your top 5 finalist.
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Boban1: Putin on Syria: No state can decide another's government
Here President Obama also commented....that a process for governing in Syria at the will of the Syrian people needs to occur......
Another shashy around the dance floor anyone?
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ttom500: Here President Obama also commented....that a process for governing in Syria at the will of the Syrian people needs to occur......Another shashy around the dance floor anyone?
Are you sure that he didn`t have the US in mind when he made that statement???
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Boban1: Are you sure that he didn`t have the US in mind when he made that statement???
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Hi TT,
The above link is dead TT, however I get where you are going here! What is your point TT? I am NOT in favor of US and allied forces killing innocent civilians JUST to OUSTER Assad either!.....
Again I ask WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING CIVILIANS? or are we actually seeing the underbelly of the monster?
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
Ghandi
Kind Regards
ttom500: Am Sorry, Iseek
Here is a update to Putin & Obama joint message on what they really meant they agreed on Syria,
I will let you do the analysis........
news,yahoo.com/blogs/obama-russia-china-not-signed-removing-syria-assad-012710164.html
Here is a update to Putin & Obama joint message on what they really meant they agreed on Syria,
I will let you do the analysis........
news,yahoo.com/blogs/obama-russia-china-not-signed-removing-syria-assad-012710164.html
The above link is dead TT, however I get where you are going here! What is your point TT? I am NOT in favor of US and allied forces killing innocent civilians JUST to OUSTER Assad either!.....
Again I ask WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING CIVILIANS? or are we actually seeing the underbelly of the monster?
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
Ghandi
Kind Regards
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Hi Bohemianjack,
Thank You!!
Saves me going around and around and around
on this same exhausted subject with TT..
Kind Regards
bohemianjack: Look... Analyze this TT..
LOS CABOS, Mexico | Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08pm EDT
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear during talks this week that he does not want President Bashar al-Assad to remain in power in Syria any longer, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wilde
LOS CABOS, Mexico | Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08pm EDT
(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin made clear during talks this week that he does not want President Bashar al-Assad to remain in power in Syria any longer, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wilde
Thank You!!
Saves me going around and around and around
on this same exhausted subject with TT..
Kind Regards
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Boban1: Putin on Syria: No state can decide another's government
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Iseek: Hi TT,The above link is dead TT, however I get where you are going here! What is your point TT? I am NOT in favor of US and allied forces killing innocent civilians JUST to OUSTER Assad either!.....
Again I ask WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING CIVILIANS? or are we actually seeing the underbelly of the monster?First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
GhandiKind Regards
Again I ask WHAT HAPPENED TO SAVING CIVILIANS? or are we actually seeing the underbelly of the monster?First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you,
Then you win.
GhandiKind Regards
America has not dropped a bomb in Syria, that I am aware of. But maybe you have some knowledge of it. Most all the heavy MIL hardware in Syria is Russian made.
But remember my post earlier that Syria was a diversion for Iran nucs?
Yesterday was the last day of the Moscow talks on Iran nucs. The session ended before the Mexico G-20 broke and Obama and Putin had their 2 meeting and then press conferences. Moscow was all finished by that time in Mexico City.
I watch both Obama's 20 minute Q and A....he answered 4 question....none were on Iran. I also saw the Putin and Obama joint press conference....neither said a words about Iran or had a question on it.
How much in the media have you seen regarding the failed Moscow conference on Iran's nucs? I read one small 4 para article on it. All the rest was on Syria and the EU money crisis.
Iran won yesterday. They dodged additional Moscow conference sanctions and then dodged any heat in the media. Just saying this is a big reason Syria is happening.imo
Syria is a diversion. Iran ran a diversion on the Bush administration right after 911. This Syria thing is bigger and more deadly. But still a geo political faint in my opinion.
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I did read Kofi Annan 6 point UN peace plan for Syria. He does not request that Assad step down in it. Or does he state that a election process be set up to replace him or get a vote of the Syrian people.
So it basically is a ceasefire. The Syrian Freedom Army already honored it one time. Then the first atrocities hit. Fool me once your fault, fool me twice, my fault.....the SFA will not buy into a ceasefire without UN observers in my opinion. I would not, would you?
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Finally. My WH report on Syria is done. Submitted several days ago....before the Mexico conference and the Moscow Iran talks.
So I am moving on....have a good thread....been interesting.....
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The link talks of further eye witness reports on crimes against humanity committed by the Rebel forces within Syria
Syria: Rebels commit crimes against civilians
As the US and other allies accuse Russia of trying to supply helicopters and arms (on a vessel recently turned back to Russia),to Syria's Assad regime, the CIA are reported to be covertly passing arms to the Rebels (Financed by Turkey,Saudi Arabia and Qatar) NY Times
NY Times CIA in Turkey overseeing weapons for Rebels
The Telegraph reports that an idea between the US&UK, which was considered at a meeting between President Obama and the UK PM, at the G20 meeting recently, might offer President Assad a deal to come to talks in Geneva.
Assad to be offered deal by US and UK
Recently the Pope has expressed his concerns about the situation in Syria,stating that further conflict would spread further afield, encompassing the Middle East, whilst asking all to come to a peaceful solution.
The pontiff also stated that regardless of the situation in Syria He would continue with plans for a Papal visit to Lebanon..
Syria: Rebels commit crimes against civilians
As the US and other allies accuse Russia of trying to supply helicopters and arms (on a vessel recently turned back to Russia),to Syria's Assad regime, the CIA are reported to be covertly passing arms to the Rebels (Financed by Turkey,Saudi Arabia and Qatar) NY Times
NY Times CIA in Turkey overseeing weapons for Rebels
The Telegraph reports that an idea between the US&UK, which was considered at a meeting between President Obama and the UK PM, at the G20 meeting recently, might offer President Assad a deal to come to talks in Geneva.
Assad to be offered deal by US and UK
Recently the Pope has expressed his concerns about the situation in Syria,stating that further conflict would spread further afield, encompassing the Middle East, whilst asking all to come to a peaceful solution.
The pontiff also stated that regardless of the situation in Syria He would continue with plans for a Papal visit to Lebanon..
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ttom500: Pretty simple. Syria is not as much a national security threat to my country. As a Nucced Iran will be.
Don't get me wrong. I know the Assad's have run terrorist groups out of Syria in the past. The Munich Olympics was done by the Syrian based Black September group.
But compared to Iran? Syrians are boyscouts when it comes to Islamic Jhadding.
So we stay focus on the bigger threat....only so many hours in the day....and one has to get a life.....or so I have told by Boban here....))
Don't get me wrong. I know the Assad's have run terrorist groups out of Syria in the past. The Munich Olympics was done by the Syrian based Black September group.
But compared to Iran? Syrians are boyscouts when it comes to Islamic Jhadding.
So we stay focus on the bigger threat....only so many hours in the day....and one has to get a life.....or so I have told by Boban here....))
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If I am wrong....and the smart play for Putin is to stop and return the ship to Russia . I will to you in the future.
Fair enough?
But think it thru.
Any ship owner that would list MIL Helo on his insurance forms....has already gotten his foreign export license from the Kremlin. He crossed his Is and Ts enough to get commercial insurance. In the coming civil trial Russia because he going sue the Kremlin because they had turn around costing him millions....the ship owner will show those foreign export document signed off by the Kremlin.
So they way I see it. Mr. Putin is caught between a rock and hard place here.
But there is a third option.....
The Russian ship owner turns up the victim of highly radioactive Russian nuclear isotope from eating a meal in local Moscow restraunt....habitted by former Russian KGB agents.....
So the Russian ship owner might wish to leave the country soon....
I sure hope the Russian ship owner was smart enough to make copies of those export licenses from the Kremlin.....if you are reading send a copy to every friend and family member you have....
2 hours and 42 minutes ago the arms ship made a U-turn and is headed back to Russia.
This according to the British Navy.
Always a man of my word.......
But you might have already known that by the time posted on the bet post........