Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
Hi TT,
Just for you, after six months of bombing the hell out of Libya and the deaths of countless thousands of the civilian population, not to mention the displacement of thousands of Libyans from areas they have occupied for generations.
What follows are just the most recent examples of what democracy looks like in Libya today:
Libyan Militia take control of Airport
ICC Lawyer held in Libya
British Diplomat convoy hit by rocket propelled grenade in Libya
Protesters storm election office in Benghazi
Tribal clashes in Libya 47 dead
Just a small example of why most civilians in Syria would rather not be helped to achieve democracy by NATO.
Kind Regards
Just for you, after six months of bombing the hell out of Libya and the deaths of countless thousands of the civilian population, not to mention the displacement of thousands of Libyans from areas they have occupied for generations.
What follows are just the most recent examples of what democracy looks like in Libya today:
Libyan Militia take control of Airport
ICC Lawyer held in Libya
British Diplomat convoy hit by rocket propelled grenade in Libya
Protesters storm election office in Benghazi
Tribal clashes in Libya 47 dead
Just a small example of why most civilians in Syria would rather not be helped to achieve democracy by NATO.
Kind Regards
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Use your commons sense and mind some ISeek.
Are the Sunni rebells well supplied? yes or no? Answer no. They pay $1 per round that they load into the AK-47. They have only in operation since 14 months. Money scarce. So are supplied.
So economically, what sense does it make to kill Sunni in atrocities with that $1 per bullet? It make no economic sense at all.
If the Syrian Freedom Army was killing Sunni....would not the survivors be telling it? Use your head here. You have over 100,000 Sunni that out of the country....you have cell phone cameras wish sims cards....see any Sunni turning in fellow Sunni for the atrocities? No.
Sorry thi adds up to the Assads Alawites, the Russians and the Iranians doing the atrociites. But you siad it yourself. You siad the UN observers had Syrian Freedom Army units guarding them. Then they came under fire.....Syrian Freedom Army is not going to shoot at its own units that have UN observers.
It take time for the evidence of atrocites to come out. How long was Milosovic killing and doing ethnical cleansing of Kosvoians before it came out? Almost a year. The US did not get involved for a year untill we had solid evidence.
By the way....bet you did see it hidden in all the media on Syria. Iran just launched a test missile and said it would destroy Israel again.....really sweet of them.....committed genocide in Syria, so they can war monger on Israel.
But if you want to make Syria some vast hidden conspriracy theory of the west and US. Well it is your right to. Most of the world will not buy it. It is those heavy cannons Assad has pounding on Syrian cities....that we see daily in the media......
Are the Sunni rebells well supplied? yes or no? Answer no. They pay $1 per round that they load into the AK-47. They have only in operation since 14 months. Money scarce. So are supplied.
So economically, what sense does it make to kill Sunni in atrocities with that $1 per bullet? It make no economic sense at all.
If the Syrian Freedom Army was killing Sunni....would not the survivors be telling it? Use your head here. You have over 100,000 Sunni that out of the country....you have cell phone cameras wish sims cards....see any Sunni turning in fellow Sunni for the atrocities? No.
Sorry thi adds up to the Assads Alawites, the Russians and the Iranians doing the atrociites. But you siad it yourself. You siad the UN observers had Syrian Freedom Army units guarding them. Then they came under fire.....Syrian Freedom Army is not going to shoot at its own units that have UN observers.
It take time for the evidence of atrocites to come out. How long was Milosovic killing and doing ethnical cleansing of Kosvoians before it came out? Almost a year. The US did not get involved for a year untill we had solid evidence.
By the way....bet you did see it hidden in all the media on Syria. Iran just launched a test missile and said it would destroy Israel again.....really sweet of them.....committed genocide in Syria, so they can war monger on Israel.
But if you want to make Syria some vast hidden conspriracy theory of the west and US. Well it is your right to. Most of the world will not buy it. It is those heavy cannons Assad has pounding on Syrian cities....that we see daily in the media......
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Peace always has a chance.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
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Here is a article on why Russia needs Iran to control or destroy the southern Turkey pipelines. For the last 3 months global oil prices have fallen.
news.yahoo.com/analysis-oil-slide-highlights-risks-putin-russia-101154033.html
What happened three months ago when the price slide started? In Syria? In Russia? In Iran?
In Syria, you had a serise of atrocities. In Russia, you had the first of Putin military deployments to Syria. You likely had the loading order of the Russian ship carrying the HINDs given. That does not happen with out a export weapon license approval from the Kremlim. In Iran, you had a rejection of the nuc talks. And you had a change in the Supreme Leader Khatenie's position on nuclear weapons....now they are a right.
They were all timed with this global oil price slide.
Mere coincidence? That is not why the Kremlim employees 1000s of geo political and military analyists. Only the naive would think that these is no connection of the events.
Look for Iran to soon have border incidents with Turkey......
news.yahoo.com/analysis-oil-slide-highlights-risks-putin-russia-101154033.html
What happened three months ago when the price slide started? In Syria? In Russia? In Iran?
In Syria, you had a serise of atrocities. In Russia, you had the first of Putin military deployments to Syria. You likely had the loading order of the Russian ship carrying the HINDs given. That does not happen with out a export weapon license approval from the Kremlim. In Iran, you had a rejection of the nuc talks. And you had a change in the Supreme Leader Khatenie's position on nuclear weapons....now they are a right.
They were all timed with this global oil price slide.
Mere coincidence? That is not why the Kremlim employees 1000s of geo political and military analyists. Only the naive would think that these is no connection of the events.
Look for Iran to soon have border incidents with Turkey......
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ttom500: Use your commons sense and mind some ISeek.
Are the Sunni rebells well supplied? yes or no? Answer no. They pay $1 per round that they load into the AK-47. They have only in operation since 14 months. Money scarce. So are supplied.
Are the Sunni rebells well supplied? yes or no? Answer no. They pay $1 per round that they load into the AK-47. They have only in operation since 14 months. Money scarce. So are supplied.
YES, absolutely, very well supplied with arms, Money is FAR from scarce ! and now they are EVEN paying the Rebels a wage!!
ttom500:
So economically, what sense does it make to kill Sunni in atrocities with that $1 per bullet? It make no economic sense at all.
So economically, what sense does it make to kill Sunni in atrocities with that $1 per bullet? It make no economic sense at all.
PLEASE! You are talking to a grown man now..
ttom500:
If the Syrian Freedom Army was killing Sunni....would not the survivors be telling it? Use your head here. You have over 100,000 Sunni that out of the country....you have cell phone cameras wish sims cards....see any Sunni turning in fellow Sunni for the atrocities? No.
If the Syrian Freedom Army was killing Sunni....would not the survivors be telling it? Use your head here. You have over 100,000 Sunni that out of the country....you have cell phone cameras wish sims cards....see any Sunni turning in fellow Sunni for the atrocities? No.
SEE following links especially the last one from a Christian Nun in her own report to the Church.
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ttom500:
Sorry thi adds up to the Assads Alawites, the Russians and the Iranians doing the atrociites. But you siad it yourself. You siad the UN observers had Syrian Freedom Army units guarding them. Then they came under fire.....Syrian Freedom Army is not going to shoot at its own units that have UN observers.
Sorry thi adds up to the Assads Alawites, the Russians and the Iranians doing the atrociites. But you siad it yourself. You siad the UN observers had Syrian Freedom Army units guarding them. Then they came under fire.....Syrian Freedom Army is not going to shoot at its own units that have UN observers.
REALLY, Even if it would again make it look like Assads troops?
ttom500:
It take time for the evidence of atrocites to come out. How long was Milosovic killing and doing ethnical cleansing of Kosvoians before it came out? Almost a year. The US did not get involved for a year untill we had solid evidence.
It take time for the evidence of atrocites to come out. How long was Milosovic killing and doing ethnical cleansing of Kosvoians before it came out? Almost a year. The US did not get involved for a year untill we had solid evidence.
Not relevant to this issue TT…
ttom500:
By the way....bet you did see it hidden in all the media on Syria. Iran just launched a test missile and said it would destroy Israel again.....really sweet of them.....committed genocide in Syria, so they can war monger on Israel.
But if you want to make Syria some vast hidden conspriracy theory of the west and US. Well it is your right to. Most of the world will not buy it. It is those heavy cannons Assad has pounding on Syrian cities....that we see daily in the media......
By the way....bet you did see it hidden in all the media on Syria. Iran just launched a test missile and said it would destroy Israel again.....really sweet of them.....committed genocide in Syria, so they can war monger on Israel.
But if you want to make Syria some vast hidden conspriracy theory of the west and US. Well it is your right to. Most of the world will not buy it. It is those heavy cannons Assad has pounding on Syrian cities....that we see daily in the media......
You are correct about one thing, most of the media are spreading the propaganda JUST like they did in Libya.. BTW, It’s not conspiracy theory to assume that the REBELS are not fighting Assad forces with stones and sponges, YET you and others would have us believe it to be true!
I DO NOT DOUBT for a moment that Assad’s forces are killing innocent civilians (as I have said time and again), However If you expect me to believe that the REBELS are somehow akin to the A-Team, firing rounds and missing everything in sight, YET SOMEHOW, making inroads towards Damascus ! YOU ARE VERY WRONG MY FRIEND.
Kind Regards
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ttom500: Here is a article on why Russia needs Iran to control or destroy the southern Turkey pipelines. For the last 3 months global oil prices have fallen.
news.yahoo.com/analysis-oil-slide-highlights-risks-putin-russia-101154033.html
What happened three months ago when the price slide started? In Syria? In Russia? In Iran?
news.yahoo.com/analysis-oil-slide-highlights-risks-putin-russia-101154033.html
What happened three months ago when the price slide started? In Syria? In Russia? In Iran?
NO IDEA, but what has that to do with Syria today??
ttom500:
In Syria, you had a serise of atrocities. In Russia, you had the first of Putin military deployments to Syria. You likely had the loading order of the Russian ship carrying the HINDs given. That does not happen with out a export weapon license approval from the Kremlim. In Iran, you had a rejection of the nuc talks. And you had a change in the Supreme Leader Khatenie's position on nuclear weapons....now they are a right.
In Syria, you had a serise of atrocities. In Russia, you had the first of Putin military deployments to Syria. You likely had the loading order of the Russian ship carrying the HINDs given. That does not happen with out a export weapon license approval from the Kremlim. In Iran, you had a rejection of the nuc talks. And you had a change in the Supreme Leader Khatenie's position on nuclear weapons....now they are a right.
So YOU are saying I am right! This is about Iran as I said, get rid of Syrian leader, replace with puppet, in doing so get rid of Hezbollah and maybe Hamas then on to Iran!!
ttom500:
They were all timed with this global oil price slide.
Mere coincidence? That is not why the Kremlim employees 1000s of geo political and military analyists. Only the naive would think that these is no connection of the events.
Look for Iran to soon have border incidents with Turkey......
They were all timed with this global oil price slide.
Mere coincidence? That is not why the Kremlim employees 1000s of geo political and military analyists. Only the naive would think that these is no connection of the events.
Look for Iran to soon have border incidents with Turkey......
More fantasy TT, That you CAN NOT back up, despite me asking for proof many times here…
Kind Regards
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Sk8ndnc: Peace always has a chance.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
I agree, Totally in fact.
However rebels killing Syrian civilians only make those who at least had peace under Assad, want him to stay...
Most Syrians who would actually go against Assad are afraid to do so, because they see their country overrun by Foreign militias...
Kind Regards
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Sk8ndnc: Peace always has a chance.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
Right after the dictator stops butchering his own people.
Well you aint wrong ,only you are on the wrong site of the street
Do you know why we are facing economical crises,depressions ,poverty ,why are we forced to work more than 10 hours a day ,and when we come tired and exhausted home, we`ve been bombarded with "the official news" ,movies sitcoms
every economical crises is artificially made ,there is plenty of energy, food ,water but They want OBEDIENT WORKERS, not thinkers...
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'Israel Master of Puppets in Syria Unrest'
Israel is the "ultimate outside power" that is behind the Syrian crisis and foreign countries' pushes to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government, says an analyst.
The assertion comes as the foreign ministers of Russia, China, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait, and Iraq, as well as the UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, the Arab League Secretary-General, Nabil El-Araby, and the secretary of state of the United States attended a meeting on the situation in Syria at the United Nations office in Geneva on Saturday.
Israel is the "ultimate outside power" that is behind the Syrian crisis and foreign countries' pushes to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government, says an analyst.
The assertion comes as the foreign ministers of Russia, China, Britain, France, Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait, and Iraq, as well as the UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, the Arab League Secretary-General, Nabil El-Araby, and the secretary of state of the United States attended a meeting on the situation in Syria at the United Nations office in Geneva on Saturday.
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ttom500:
Come on ISeek and Boban. give me a pat on the back. That is some good military analysis you are reading.......
I know you want Assad to appear a choir boy. But now his country is being used to destablize the world's oil supplies. He is not stopping these intrusions into Turkish airspace. He cannot. He needs the Russians and Iranian to much to stay in power.
side of the conflict equation.
Come on ISeek and Boban. give me a pat on the back. That is some good military analysis you are reading.......
I know you want Assad to appear a choir boy. But now his country is being used to destablize the world's oil supplies. He is not stopping these intrusions into Turkish airspace. He cannot. He needs the Russians and Iranian to much to stay in power.
side of the conflict equation.
By now ,I assume that everyone knows what al qaida means " the base".
What the western media call terrorism and terrorist are a group of people with a cause who have logistical and financial support , in most cases their mission is to create fear,panic and chaos ,overthrowing the regime and the dictator is in most cases just a farce, a farce which has been seen in Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Libya now Syria and probably Iran
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Was it really so hard to predict?
Human rights abuses stories and its evidence are coming out of Syrian now. Seems Assad has 27 torture centers set up around the country. The survivors.....some 200 ...have given testimony and physical evidence to human right groups on Assad's treatment of his Sunni captives.
All in graphic detail to the brutality of the Assad regime.
Soon these 200 and more will be give testimony to the investigators of NATO, the Arab League, the UN and other international law enforcement group that chase down war criminals.
But I know it is all alQeada caused and done....but these 200 say it was Assad security forces that were using acid, flaying them with wires, and using electrical shock on them....by the way on torture like....it leave scars....physical evidence on the person body.
That later is used in the court. All told some 20 ways to be brutal to your fellow man...or fellow Syrian. The physicla evidence on the victims body.....tends to collaborate the victim's story.
Also note they are giving name to the victims in the article. No unnamed sources here.
The Human Rights groups want to take Syria to the International Crime Court (the Hague)... again not to hard to predict.
news.yahoo.com/syria-running-27-torture-centers-rights-groups-050836605.html
Human rights abuses stories and its evidence are coming out of Syrian now. Seems Assad has 27 torture centers set up around the country. The survivors.....some 200 ...have given testimony and physical evidence to human right groups on Assad's treatment of his Sunni captives.
All in graphic detail to the brutality of the Assad regime.
Soon these 200 and more will be give testimony to the investigators of NATO, the Arab League, the UN and other international law enforcement group that chase down war criminals.
But I know it is all alQeada caused and done....but these 200 say it was Assad security forces that were using acid, flaying them with wires, and using electrical shock on them....by the way on torture like....it leave scars....physical evidence on the person body.
That later is used in the court. All told some 20 ways to be brutal to your fellow man...or fellow Syrian. The physicla evidence on the victims body.....tends to collaborate the victim's story.
Also note they are giving name to the victims in the article. No unnamed sources here.
The Human Rights groups want to take Syria to the International Crime Court (the Hague)... again not to hard to predict.
news.yahoo.com/syria-running-27-torture-centers-rights-groups-050836605.html
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ttom500: Was it really so hard to predict?
Human rights abuses stories and its evidence are coming out of Syrian now. Seems Assad has 27 torture centers set up around the country. The survivors.....some 200 ...have given testimony and physical evidence to human right groups on Assad's treatment of his Sunni captives.
All in graphic detail to the brutality of the Assad regime.
Soon these 200 and more will be give testimony to the investigators of NATO, the Arab League, the UN and other international law enforcement group that chase down war criminals.
But I know it is all alQeada caused and done....but these 200 say it was Assad security forces that were using acid, flaying them with wires, and using electrical shock on them....by the way on torture like....it leave scars....physical evidence on the person body.
That later is used in the court. All told some 20 ways to be brutal to your fellow man...or fellow Syrian. The physicla evidence on the victims body.....tends to collaborate the victim's story.
Also note they are giving name to the victims in the article. No unnamed sources here.
The Human Rights groups want to take Syria to the International Crime Court (the Hague)... again not to hard to predict.
news.yahoo.com/syria-running-27-torture-centers-rights-groups-050836605.html
Human rights abuses stories and its evidence are coming out of Syrian now. Seems Assad has 27 torture centers set up around the country. The survivors.....some 200 ...have given testimony and physical evidence to human right groups on Assad's treatment of his Sunni captives.
All in graphic detail to the brutality of the Assad regime.
Soon these 200 and more will be give testimony to the investigators of NATO, the Arab League, the UN and other international law enforcement group that chase down war criminals.
But I know it is all alQeada caused and done....but these 200 say it was Assad security forces that were using acid, flaying them with wires, and using electrical shock on them....by the way on torture like....it leave scars....physical evidence on the person body.
That later is used in the court. All told some 20 ways to be brutal to your fellow man...or fellow Syrian. The physicla evidence on the victims body.....tends to collaborate the victim's story.
Also note they are giving name to the victims in the article. No unnamed sources here.
The Human Rights groups want to take Syria to the International Crime Court (the Hague)... again not to hard to predict.
news.yahoo.com/syria-running-27-torture-centers-rights-groups-050836605.html
And exactly why is the west so eager to bomb Syria ,send troops ,oh yeah... human rights . so Im guessing Assad and his supporters are none humans
are the bankers putting some extra pressure this time ...
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A copy-paste from an article from the scott.net
The old way of getting rid of "inconvenient" leaders was so 20th-century - in the case of Saddam Hussein, a monstrous lie followed by a massive bloodletting on both sides. Tahrir Square suggested how to bring down a regime in a manner far less costly and far more palatable to the public: lots of medium-sized and little lies, war through Twitter, war through expendable proxies. Provide financial incentives to key figures to publicly renounce the old leadership, create a steady stream of heart-rending moments and photos and allegations, generate endless "human rights violations" by baiting the government into a military response, then very publicly petition international bodies for redress of humanitarian concerns.
Muammar Qaddafi, a fiercely independent, quasi-socialistic African transnationalist, was the guinea pig. A brilliant disinformation campaign isolated him, authentic domestic grievances were encouraged, and a whole war was conducted on behalf of the West with nary a Western soldier putting boots to ground.
Next up: Syria's Bashar al-Assad. So began, again, the covert arming of real domestic opponents, and an extensive and variegated propaganda campaign.
As with Libya, Western countries were covertly overthrowing a Middle East regime, just as they have done over the decades. And, as before, the media said not a word about what was really going on. So the public did not really understand, and there was practically no debate at all.
The old way of getting rid of "inconvenient" leaders was so 20th-century - in the case of Saddam Hussein, a monstrous lie followed by a massive bloodletting on both sides. Tahrir Square suggested how to bring down a regime in a manner far less costly and far more palatable to the public: lots of medium-sized and little lies, war through Twitter, war through expendable proxies. Provide financial incentives to key figures to publicly renounce the old leadership, create a steady stream of heart-rending moments and photos and allegations, generate endless "human rights violations" by baiting the government into a military response, then very publicly petition international bodies for redress of humanitarian concerns.
Muammar Qaddafi, a fiercely independent, quasi-socialistic African transnationalist, was the guinea pig. A brilliant disinformation campaign isolated him, authentic domestic grievances were encouraged, and a whole war was conducted on behalf of the West with nary a Western soldier putting boots to ground.
Next up: Syria's Bashar al-Assad. So began, again, the covert arming of real domestic opponents, and an extensive and variegated propaganda campaign.
As with Libya, Western countries were covertly overthrowing a Middle East regime, just as they have done over the decades. And, as before, the media said not a word about what was really going on. So the public did not really understand, and there was practically no debate at all.
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Boban1: And exactly why is the west so eager to bomb Syria ,send troops ,oh yeah... human rights . so Im guessing Assad and his supporters are none humans
are the bankers putting some extra pressure this time ...
are the bankers putting some extra pressure this time ...
Boban you are smart enough to know that these are the same NGOs groups and Human rights groups that investigated the conflicts and abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and else were. It was they do.
I don't hear anyone in the states wanting to bomb Syria. But talk to the Saudi....the Kuwaiti....the Jordians,.....the Turks......and other Arab League countries you might hear a different story. The US is only supporting the SFA with non lethal aid......
Assad and his Alawite are human as well. But like Sadam and bin Laden they got on the wrong of history...
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EXACTLY MY POINT TT, to the victor comes the spoils, the victor also decides how history is written, now considering the US congress history on all the conflicts you have mentioned over the past weeks and the torture issues passed by said congress under Bush, do you really think China and Russia will allow it to reach the ICC??
As I said before to you, opinion NOTHING ELSE!
Kind Regards
ttom500:
So you have this 3rd party screening of the victims. It is a very important screening, legally. It confirms the accusation of the victim before any nation state....can provide political asylum or other material benefit. Not being done yet by the EU and US. But now the Human rights group have screened them (this 200). Soon the government investigators will get the cases. So given time...the US Congress will have a Congressional hearing on Assad's abused. Likely not before the election. It did for Sadam Hussien's abuses on the Kurds. Cases will get to the Hague....in time.
So you have this 3rd party screening of the victims. It is a very important screening, legally. It confirms the accusation of the victim before any nation state....can provide political asylum or other material benefit. Not being done yet by the EU and US. But now the Human rights group have screened them (this 200). Soon the government investigators will get the cases. So given time...the US Congress will have a Congressional hearing on Assad's abused. Likely not before the election. It did for Sadam Hussien's abuses on the Kurds. Cases will get to the Hague....in time.
EXACTLY MY POINT TT, to the victor comes the spoils, the victor also decides how history is written, now considering the US congress history on all the conflicts you have mentioned over the past weeks and the torture issues passed by said congress under Bush, do you really think China and Russia will allow it to reach the ICC??
ttom500:
JMO....right now the kettle (Syria), pot (Iran) and spoon (Russia) are all in Syria
JMO....right now the kettle (Syria), pot (Iran) and spoon (Russia) are all in Syria
As I said before to you, opinion NOTHING ELSE!
Kind Regards
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Iseek: Hi TT,
You are indeed correct, I have almost no doubt that torture exists within Syria, possibly both with and without the knowledge of Assad Himself.. I also believe that Assad forces have killed innocent civilians NO DOUBT! I have NEVER given any other impression HERE, than that I believed that Assad forces are liable for the deaths of innocent civilians, I have also time and again made it clear that Assad and co, have certain self interests.
I have also FROM the very beginning of this thread condemned actions and strikes carried out by the Assad military. I have also (despite being called a jihadist or anti-US) expressed my opinion and produced fact to support the claims that the Rebels (all groups) have committed crimes against innocent civilians…
Where TT?? I have asked you now at least 4 times to show such proof!
AGAIN PROOF??? And again doesn’t that appear familiar ??
EXACTLY as I said before NO PROOF just speculation…
Not a Chance TT, I am sorry but you cannot sell that line to me! The goal is the ouster of Assad ONLY, peace or peace agreements have nothing WHATSOEVER to do with it! Again I ask for PROOF, BTW who are these NGO’s you speak of?? As you know an NGO is simply A Non-Governmental Organisation so that takes care of EVERY opposition to the Assad government, even Al Qaeda could in effect be a NGO…
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You are indeed correct, I have almost no doubt that torture exists within Syria, possibly both with and without the knowledge of Assad Himself.. I also believe that Assad forces have killed innocent civilians NO DOUBT! I have NEVER given any other impression HERE, than that I believed that Assad forces are liable for the deaths of innocent civilians, I have also time and again made it clear that Assad and co, have certain self interests.
I have also FROM the very beginning of this thread condemned actions and strikes carried out by the Assad military. I have also (despite being called a jihadist or anti-US) expressed my opinion and produced fact to support the claims that the Rebels (all groups) have committed crimes against innocent civilians…
Where TT?? I have asked you now at least 4 times to show such proof!
AGAIN PROOF??? And again doesn’t that appear familiar ??
EXACTLY as I said before NO PROOF just speculation…
Not a Chance TT, I am sorry but you cannot sell that line to me! The goal is the ouster of Assad ONLY, peace or peace agreements have nothing WHATSOEVER to do with it! Again I ask for PROOF, BTW who are these NGO’s you speak of?? As you know an NGO is simply A Non-Governmental Organisation so that takes care of EVERY opposition to the Assad government, even Al Qaeda could in effect be a NGO…
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You just had the first of 200 victims of Assad regime emerge in the Human rights article/report noted in my earlier post. One was mentioned by name. To get the names of the others....good luck....the human rights groups will keep them incognito until the real governnment's investigation begin. But you can try the human rights groups mentioned in the article for names.
Why keep them incognito? Well Syria and Iran have foreign agents. We just had Iranian plot in Kenya compromised to kill Americans there. So presently their agents are seeking the victims that are willing to talk to silence them. So a good reason to be incognito.
Hey did you hear....likely not....Iran had a another long range missile test....they now have a missile that can reach Israel.
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Hi TT,
This one is just for you!
Considering your recent conversations here and your unending knowledge on the subject...
NATO behind Muslim slaughter in Srebrenica
Kind Regards
This one is just for you!
Considering your recent conversations here and your unending knowledge on the subject...
NATO behind Muslim slaughter in Srebrenica
Kind Regards
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ttom500: You just had the first of 200 victims of Assad regime emerge in the Human rights article/report noted in my earlier post. One was mentioned by name. To get the names of the others....good luck....the human rights groups will keep them incognito until the real governnment's investigation begin. But you can try the human rights groups mentioned in the article for names.
So there is one person then, but that would never make the media happy, so the claim is 200....
ttom500:
Why keep them incognito? Well Syria and Iran have foreign agents. We just had Iranian plot in Kenya compromised to kill Americans there. So presently their agents are seeking the victims that are willing to talk to silence them. So a good reason to be incognito.
Why keep them incognito? Well Syria and Iran have foreign agents. We just had Iranian plot in Kenya compromised to kill Americans there. So presently their agents are seeking the victims that are willing to talk to silence them. So a good reason to be incognito.
All without proof as usual TT, More fantasy, more stories...
ttom500:
Hey did you hear....likely not....Iran had a another long range missile test....they now have a missile that can reach Israel.
Hey did you hear....likely not....Iran had a another long range missile test....they now have a missile that can reach Israel.
Not now, they have had at least 7 LRM's aimed at Israel, However what do you expect? Israel has time and again made threats against Iran
BTW, Don't forget to check out post no. 349
Kind Regards
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Russia not attending Friends of Syria meeting
France's foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, revealed that Russia would not be attending a meeting of the western-Arab Friends of Syria grouping in Paris on Friday, even though there was an invitation.
Moscow and Beijing accuse the US and its allies of pursuing "regime change" in Syria and insist that only Syrians can decide on the country's political future.
"They are so different, chaotic and hate each other, admits Arab League Official"
A meeting of Syria's divided opposition in Cairo ended in scuffles, a walkout and failure to agree on a joint organisation to act as a united front. A Syrian Kurdish group quit the meeting, provoking mayhem and cries of "scandal, scandal" from delegates.
An official from the Arab League, who attended the closed meetings, said "They are so different, chaotic and hate each other," according to Reuters.
Al-Jazeera (the usual from them) had a more positive take on the meeting saying it agreed in general terms on support for the Free Syrian Army, the dissolution of the ruling Baath Party and the exclusion of Assad or other senior regime figures from a place in the transition.
Go to 3:48 and get the real picture of the opposition and how aligned they are, NOT!
The so called players in the rebel forces couldn't even get on with each other, never mind agree with each other on the subject of opposition to the Assad Regime...
Assad on Turkey
Bashar al-Assad has accused Turkey's Prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of involvement in the violence in Syria, by giving support to the rebels. In the second part of his interview with the Turkish daily Cumhuriyet Assad also attacked the Turkish leader as a hypocrite.
Russia not attending Friends of Syria meeting
France's foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, revealed that Russia would not be attending a meeting of the western-Arab Friends of Syria grouping in Paris on Friday, even though there was an invitation.
Moscow and Beijing accuse the US and its allies of pursuing "regime change" in Syria and insist that only Syrians can decide on the country's political future.
"They are so different, chaotic and hate each other, admits Arab League Official"
A meeting of Syria's divided opposition in Cairo ended in scuffles, a walkout and failure to agree on a joint organisation to act as a united front. A Syrian Kurdish group quit the meeting, provoking mayhem and cries of "scandal, scandal" from delegates.
An official from the Arab League, who attended the closed meetings, said "They are so different, chaotic and hate each other," according to Reuters.
Al-Jazeera (the usual from them) had a more positive take on the meeting saying it agreed in general terms on support for the Free Syrian Army, the dissolution of the ruling Baath Party and the exclusion of Assad or other senior regime figures from a place in the transition.
Go to 3:48 and get the real picture of the opposition and how aligned they are, NOT!
The so called players in the rebel forces couldn't even get on with each other, never mind agree with each other on the subject of opposition to the Assad Regime...
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This last Annan's peace plan was table for just 20 hour before Russia sank it. It died earlier today. Clinton is taking it to the Friend for Syria group....but without a remove Assad clause.....it is dead there as well. Assad stepping down was unacceptable to Russia.
No if anybody killed it, it was Clinton, she looked like she was about to fling all her toys out of the pram yesterday, her insistence on the OUSTER had failed! Boy was she unhappy….
By the way Turkey scrambled F-16s to intercept a Syrian helo approaching the border. Turkey is moving more forces to the border.
news.yahoo.com/analysis-plan-end-syria-crisis-falls-flat-174529569.html
Yep, noticed that, Imagine the absolute neck of those Syrian Army flying choppers within their own borders..
Judging by Turkish papers, Government there has enough problems explaining to their own people why they are becoming the lap dogs of the west!!
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