Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
Iseek: Hi TT,
Think you are on the wrong thread and BTW, the above link does not work..
Kind Regards
Think you are on the wrong thread and BTW, the above link does not work..
Kind Regards
No, I am in the right thread. To Americans....Iran and Syria are linked issues. That silly bi latoral defense pact they have......links them like kissin cousins.
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ttom500: No, I am in the right thread. To Americans....Iran and Syria are linked issues. That silly bi latoral defense pact they have......links them like kissin cousins.
ttom500: No, I am in the right thread. To Americans....Iran and Syria are linked issues. That silly bi latoral defense pact they have......links them like kissin cousins.
Hi TT,
My apologies, I thought you were posting to What's wrong with Iran having ..........
and had posted here by mistake.
Sorry about that
Kind Regards
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ttom500: In a recent multi party meeting of the National Dialogue Conference in Lebanon to discuss issues that Syria violence ....the parties agreed that a "stand away along the Syrian border" should be considered in the future. This to reduce the weapons moving from Lebanon to strife torn Syria. I think that this is some kind of land obstacling program for the Lebanon/Syrian border.
Something I would be in favor of for many reasons.
ttom500:
With 15 death in Lebanon attributed to the Syrian pro and anti Assad groups fights....the National Dialogue member are attempting to find ways to keep Lebanon from more violence. A good thing, in my opinion.
With 15 death in Lebanon attributed to the Syrian pro and anti Assad groups fights....the National Dialogue member are attempting to find ways to keep Lebanon from more violence. A good thing, in my opinion.
I agree totally..
ttom500:
But with Assad's reputation at a all time low in the region. Another interesting development is happening. Seems in the past Assad had enough influence on the National Dialogue Conference to keep any mention of Syria arms to Hezbollah being a tabled. But since the region considers him worthy of being a target for shoes....))......
Assad has lost this ability to block tabled issues. Meaning that now members are pressing to have discussed the arming of Hezbollah by Syria.
But with Assad's reputation at a all time low in the region. Another interesting development is happening. Seems in the past Assad had enough influence on the National Dialogue Conference to keep any mention of Syria arms to Hezbollah being a tabled. But since the region considers him worthy of being a target for shoes....))......
Assad has lost this ability to block tabled issues. Meaning that now members are pressing to have discussed the arming of Hezbollah by Syria.
Can't say I didn't see that coming from day one...
ttom500:
The head of Hezbollah, Nasarallah , seeing Saudi Arabia taking the place of Syria in the talks. Indeed Suadi Arabia called for this week's National Dialoque Conference and Nasarallah encouraged all to attend.
The head of Hezbollah, Nasarallah , seeing Saudi Arabia taking the place of Syria in the talks. Indeed Suadi Arabia called for this week's National Dialoque Conference and Nasarallah encouraged all to attend.
As I have said before this situation affects most in the region..
ttom500:
So seems that Assad is losing power and prestigue in the region faster than some one can pull off a shoe......
So seems that Assad is losing power and prestigue in the region faster than some one can pull off a shoe......
I guess others are closing ranks to protect themselves, that is only natural.
Kind Regards
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I don`t like to make long posts, especially if they arn`t my words ,but just a copy-paste
so if anyone is interested below is the link
Implosion of The Houla Massacre Story — Is Anyone Paying Attention?
so if anyone is interested below is the link
Implosion of The Houla Massacre Story — Is Anyone Paying Attention?
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Hi Boban, 
I am grateful for any and all contributions..
Thanks again for the link..
Kind Regards
Boban1: I don`t like to make long posts, especially if they arn`t my words ,but just a copy-paste
so if anyone is interested below is the link
Implosion of The Houla Massacre Story — Is Anyone Paying Attention?http://theintelhub.com/2012/06/11/implosion-of-the-houla-massacre-story-is-anyone-paying-attention/
so if anyone is interested below is the link
Implosion of The Houla Massacre Story — Is Anyone Paying Attention?http://theintelhub.com/2012/06/11/implosion-of-the-houla-massacre-story-is-anyone-paying-attention/
I am grateful for any and all contributions..
Thanks again for the link..
Kind Regards
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Boban,
Two more I have found:
Is threat from Al-Qaeda greater than any threat from Iran.
And Mr Hague admits, Al-Qaeda is present in Syria
Kind Regards
Two more I have found:
Is threat from Al-Qaeda greater than any threat from Iran.
And Mr Hague admits, Al-Qaeda is present in Syria
Kind Regards
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President Putin is sending more HIND gun ships to Syria. This famed weapon of the Russian/Afghanistan war is like a flying tank. Syria already has some in service.
So if Assad were just policing his people, why bring in a flying tank?
There are many other helo (even Russian) for police work and croud control that don't employ a chain gun cannon that can be used on military armor vehicles.
No, what Assad has imported into the country is a pure killer of the Syrian people. 100s will die to it. Just like what happened in Afghanistan. 1000s of likely civilian will die to it.
Even the Russian people are speaking out about this. Mass protest for the removal of recently elected Putin are occurring in Moscow. They know what Putin is doing in Syria.....is immoral. He has sided the Russian people on the wrong side of history.
While in Syria, the UN is now saying that Assad force are torturing children as young as 9 year old and tying them to their tanks to
keep Syrian Freedom Army forces from attacking the vehicles. Some far of the 10,000 that have been killed in Syria, 1500 have been children.
A very high percentage.
The torture is to gain intelligence on the Syrian Freedom Army's units and members. It is easier and faster to gain such intell from a child than a adult.
The Syrian military is is about 650,000 in total. With about 300,000 active duty and the balance reservists. Of the 650,000.....72% of them are Alawite. Alawite make up only 12% of the Syrian population. So what Assad has made with his military, just like Sadam Hussien made with his. Is a defense force for his ethnic tribe.
So if Assad were just policing his people, why bring in a flying tank?
There are many other helo (even Russian) for police work and croud control that don't employ a chain gun cannon that can be used on military armor vehicles.
No, what Assad has imported into the country is a pure killer of the Syrian people. 100s will die to it. Just like what happened in Afghanistan. 1000s of likely civilian will die to it.
Even the Russian people are speaking out about this. Mass protest for the removal of recently elected Putin are occurring in Moscow. They know what Putin is doing in Syria.....is immoral. He has sided the Russian people on the wrong side of history.
While in Syria, the UN is now saying that Assad force are torturing children as young as 9 year old and tying them to their tanks to
keep Syrian Freedom Army forces from attacking the vehicles. Some far of the 10,000 that have been killed in Syria, 1500 have been children.
A very high percentage.
The torture is to gain intelligence on the Syrian Freedom Army's units and members. It is easier and faster to gain such intell from a child than a adult.
The Syrian military is is about 650,000 in total. With about 300,000 active duty and the balance reservists. Of the 650,000.....72% of them are Alawite. Alawite make up only 12% of the Syrian population. So what Assad has made with his military, just like Sadam Hussien made with his. Is a defense force for his ethnic tribe.
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A voice from the grave? proclaims support for Syrian Rebels and encourages other Al Qaeda members to further strengthen the Rebel Forces In Syria.
It appears that the video was made prior to the attack...
It appears that the video was made prior to the attack...
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NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign against Syria
In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.
In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.
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Boban1: NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign against SyriaIn a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.
Hi Boban,
Yes I had heard about the Arab Sat and Nilesat plans to cut Syria off, and let's face it the rest appears par for the course!
Kind Regards and thanks again for the links
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Hi Boban,
I was talking to guys I know from the peace and anti-war movement, anyway one lady said something that really made me think..
She said: Oh, come on now, If as much effort was put into peace and saving civilian lives, as has been put into the covert plans to arm and enable the Rebels and Al Qaeda and on the other side Assad Forces. There would already be an active peace plan!
However, outside agencies/Governments instead want to go for the "Oust Assad " plan at all costs rather than save human lives...
It really made me think!
Kind Regards
I was talking to guys I know from the peace and anti-war movement, anyway one lady said something that really made me think..
She said: Oh, come on now, If as much effort was put into peace and saving civilian lives, as has been put into the covert plans to arm and enable the Rebels and Al Qaeda and on the other side Assad Forces. There would already be an active peace plan!
However, outside agencies/Governments instead want to go for the "Oust Assad " plan at all costs rather than save human lives...
It really made me think!
Kind Regards
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ttom500: Taking you points from the bottom up. I would say that many of
the Sunni that were in Assad's Army have deserted and gone to the Syrian Freedom Army at this point. If they could each as a captured/converted.....yes, I can a figure of 10,000 easily
65,000 Sunni were in his military as well.I see about 55,000 more desertions in the future.
I am just filling in why child torture happens. Are you saying Assad's army is innocent of all accused acts .....?? Really best is a 3rd party investigation into such acts. Here is the role of UN peace keeper plays a important role.
the Sunni that were in Assad's Army have deserted and gone to the Syrian Freedom Army at this point. If they could each as a captured/converted.....yes, I can a figure of 10,000 easily
65,000 Sunni were in his military as well.I see about 55,000 more desertions in the future.
I am just filling in why child torture happens. Are you saying Assad's army is innocent of all accused acts .....?? Really best is a 3rd party investigation into such acts. Here is the role of UN peace keeper plays a important role.
I have to go on your figures here, re: number of Sunni in Assad forces, let's say the totally over estimated 10,000 is real, that then leaves 55,000 (YOUR figures) only 16% have defected. Re: your question about child torture: No I am saying that WHOM ever is responsible (in other words ANYBODY) should and MUST be brought to justice, no doubt.
ttom500:
But if the Peace Keeper himself is attacked? Well you cannot investigate a criminal act while dodging rounds. I go back to Assad letting the UN Peace keeper into the country in thin skinned vehicles here.
But if the Peace Keeper himself is attacked? Well you cannot investigate a criminal act while dodging rounds. I go back to Assad letting the UN Peace keeper into the country in thin skinned vehicles here.
YES you do, Often in fact.
ttom500:
Well Russia is large country. It take 7 days to cross it by car. For a massive protest to occur in Moscow....against Putin....many cannot attend. Even thoght they wanted too. This still a message he does not want. Maybe he should keep the HINDs in Russia to control his own people. But that would be so totally criminal.
Well Russia is large country. It take 7 days to cross it by car. For a massive protest to occur in Moscow....against Putin....many cannot attend. Even thoght they wanted too. This still a message he does not want. Maybe he should keep the HINDs in Russia to control his own people. But that would be so totally criminal.
Even taking into account internet figures (which could in some cases double figures) it would still be LESS than 1% of the population, so let's GO MAD here and pretend that even 1% should be at least doubled then you only have 2% of a population of 143 MILLION.................
BTW, It is becoming more and more obvious you know little about Russia and it's People..
ttom500:
These aged and upgrade HINDs....likely get the Russian several 2-3 million......each. But when they are going to a hot war....like the Syrian civil war has become. They will get top dollar. Likely twice that. $4-6m.
These aged and upgrade HINDs....likely get the Russian several 2-3 million......each. But when they are going to a hot war....like the Syrian civil war has become. They will get top dollar. Likely twice that. $4-6m.
If you say so! Western sales to Bahrain, Saudi etc etc.. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
ttom500:
Let us just say that the Russians dealers are greedy trying to get top dollar for their weapons. When do you sell? You sell when you client is starting to lose fight. Assad is beginning to lose this fight.
The Arab Leagues is standing solid against him. World opinion is against him. He daily looks out into Damascus from his fortress on a manmade hill to 3m Sunni that stand against him.
Let us just say that the Russians dealers are greedy trying to get top dollar for their weapons. When do you sell? You sell when you client is starting to lose fight. Assad is beginning to lose this fight.
The Arab Leagues is standing solid against him. World opinion is against him. He daily looks out into Damascus from his fortress on a manmade hill to 3m Sunni that stand against him.
Great picture TT, But FAR from truth, In fact if anything many,many people in the West are questioning WHY the US is not doing more to get a peaceful solution, whilst reexamining Libya, Iraq and other conflicts. However world opinion is against the slaughter of INNOCENT humans by ALL, Assad, Rebels, Al Qaeda, Saudi, Qatar etc, etc.
ttom500:
Russia got top dollar for their HINDs. But every Sunni that is killed by a HIND....should be a Russian Arm dealer facing the Hague. Russia blocked the UN weapon sanction on Syria....to let the client become desperate......had the weapon sanction been done....even prior sales would have been banned.
Russia got top dollar for their HINDs. But every Sunni that is killed by a HIND....should be a Russian Arm dealer facing the Hague. Russia blocked the UN weapon sanction on Syria....to let the client become desperate......had the weapon sanction been done....even prior sales would have been banned.
Those who should face the Hague, without doubt won't, the recent past has proven that! again look inwards..
ttom500:
So you have Russian arms dealers working with Putin's Kremlin to get top dollar for their old Soviet arms.......
So you have Russian arms dealers working with Putin's Kremlin to get top dollar for their old Soviet arms.......
Allegedly, accusations ONLY, and a convenient accusation many would say.
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Hi TT,
I realize I am repeating myself now, having said this to you before many times However.
Here we go again,
I have no interest in the survival of the Assad regime, whatsoever!. Nor do I have an interest in the entities on both sides involved in insuring that their respective ideals, Ambitions or desires for territorial advantage win out at the end of the day.
I am however very interested in the entities mentioned when their individual or collective self interests resulting in the taking of innocent civilian lives. Like the ongoing car bombings and attacks on civilian buses by the Rebel forces backed by Al Qaeda, Saudi, Qatar and many, many others.
On the other side of the equation it interests me when Assad forces take lives also, and the Russian interest in avoiding the taking of the world oil resources as happened in the past. Again, regardless of all sides, and their campaigns and agendas, Innocent lives are being lost at an alarming rate.
So I answer your claims /statements to show, or try to show that whatever the politics ON EITHER side, the fact remains that innocent civilians are being killed/Murdered, NOT only by Assad government troops and opposition Rebels, BUT ALSO by Saudi, Qatar and Al Qaeda.
IF the same amount of effort that went, and goes into arming and enabling of the rebel forces, along with the huge amount of effort that goes into the political ambitions of the entities on both sides, was applied to insisting on a genuine PEACE plan then in the two months and 3 days since Kofi Annan arrived in Syria, there would MOST LIKELY be at least an achieved ceasefire!.
Kind Regards
I realize I am repeating myself now, having said this to you before many times However.
Here we go again,
I have no interest in the survival of the Assad regime, whatsoever!. Nor do I have an interest in the entities on both sides involved in insuring that their respective ideals, Ambitions or desires for territorial advantage win out at the end of the day.
I am however very interested in the entities mentioned when their individual or collective self interests resulting in the taking of innocent civilian lives. Like the ongoing car bombings and attacks on civilian buses by the Rebel forces backed by Al Qaeda, Saudi, Qatar and many, many others.
On the other side of the equation it interests me when Assad forces take lives also, and the Russian interest in avoiding the taking of the world oil resources as happened in the past. Again, regardless of all sides, and their campaigns and agendas, Innocent lives are being lost at an alarming rate.
So I answer your claims /statements to show, or try to show that whatever the politics ON EITHER side, the fact remains that innocent civilians are being killed/Murdered, NOT only by Assad government troops and opposition Rebels, BUT ALSO by Saudi, Qatar and Al Qaeda.
IF the same amount of effort that went, and goes into arming and enabling of the rebel forces, along with the huge amount of effort that goes into the political ambitions of the entities on both sides, was applied to insisting on a genuine PEACE plan then in the two months and 3 days since Kofi Annan arrived in Syria, there would MOST LIKELY be at least an achieved ceasefire!.
Kind Regards
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You might recall my post no.145, regarding a statement from a Christian Nun Mother Agnes Miriam, who described the situation in Damascus and expressed her amazement at what was being reported by world media.
Well, Mother Agnes Miriam today gave a TV interview describing how people at the national hospital described directly to her, how armed men actually removed dead bodies from the ministry of health morgue at the hospital, wrapped in shrouds/cloth the bodies were taken to the Mosque.
The very same mosque that in the follow day/days these bodies were presented to UN Observers as having been massacred in Houla!.
Mother Agnes Miriam, also stated that these men had to be Rebels as It would in no way serve the Assad Regime any good to stage a massacre and then blame themselves.
This statement and others give credence to prior claims by some experts and media, that claimed that the bodies in question appeared to have died some time prior to the claimed massacre.
Well, Mother Agnes Miriam today gave a TV interview describing how people at the national hospital described directly to her, how armed men actually removed dead bodies from the ministry of health morgue at the hospital, wrapped in shrouds/cloth the bodies were taken to the Mosque.
The very same mosque that in the follow day/days these bodies were presented to UN Observers as having been massacred in Houla!.
Mother Agnes Miriam, also stated that these men had to be Rebels as It would in no way serve the Assad Regime any good to stage a massacre and then blame themselves.
This statement and others give credence to prior claims by some experts and media, that claimed that the bodies in question appeared to have died some time prior to the claimed massacre.
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UN observers have now ceased patrols and observations, due to the increased violence on both sides.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
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Entusiasmo: UN observers have now ceased patrols and observations, due to the increased violence on both sides.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
yep, just read it in the news..
UN suspends observer mission activities in Syria due to escalating violence
Seems no one really wants peace ,except the common folks ,but no one asks what we want
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Boban1: yep, just read it in the news..
UN suspends observer mission activities in Syria due to escalating violence
Seems no one really wants peace ,except the common folks ,but no one asks what we want
UN suspends observer mission activities in Syria due to escalating violence
Seems no one really wants peace ,except the common folks ,but no one asks what we want
Yea, Entusiasmo just posted the same news, but I had not seen the actual article/ News post.
Boban, you know I actually believe now that this could be more a large conflict between the larger nations, rather than a civil war in Syria.
But I do agree, Nobody ever asks the opinions of the civilians on the ground, even though it is them that will no doubt suffer..
Thanks again Boban for the link, I will go read it now, and try to work out what is happening..
Kind Regards and Thanks again
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Entusiasmo: UN observers have now ceased patrols and observations, due to the increased violence on both sides.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
Both they and the former SNC chief urge deployment of UN peacekeepers.
Boban just posted a link regarding what you mentioned, Thanks again
Kind Regards
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With 15 death in Lebanon attributed to the Syrian pro and anti Assad groups fights....the National Dialogue member are attempting to find ways to keep Lebanon from more violence. A good thing, in my opinion.
But with Assad's reputation at a all time low in the region. Another interesting development is happening. Seems in the past Assad had enough influence on the National Dialogue Conference to keep any mention of Syria arms to Hezbollah being a tabled. But since the region considers him worthy of being a target for shoes....))......
Assad has lost this ability to block tabled issues. Meaning that now members are pressing to have discussed the arming of Hezbollah by Syria. The head of Hezbollah, Nasarallah , seeing Saudi Arabia taking the place of Syria in the talks. Indeed Suadi Arabia called for this week's National Dialoque Conference and Nasarallah encouraged all to attend.
So seems that Assad is losing power and prestigue in the region faster than some one can pull off a shoe......