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Jul 17, 2012 12:25 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
ttom500
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RayfromUSA: Because he represents the US and its attempt to destroy Syrian sovereignty and set up yet another puppet dictatorship as it has done all over the world for the last 150 years.

Believe it or not, most people in the world don't want to live as poor vassals to a decadent drunken violent superpower that is incapable of solving its own problems but somehow feels justified in trying to run the world.


I know Ray...Syria is all a CIA plot......doh
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Jul 17, 2012 1:40 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
RayfromUSA
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ttom500: No. Christians are not Zionist. The term "Zionist" is used solely for Jewish, most often by those that hate the state of Israel. There are Christian believers that support Israel, but they are not Zionist. the term "Zionist" comes from two points in Jewish history.

But what does Zionist and Israel have to do with the events in today's Syria?


In a sense you are right to say that Christians are not Zionist.
True Christianity is the absolute antithesis of Zionism.

But although genuine Christianity has nothing in common with Zionism, that doesn't mean that Zionism leaven hasn't encroached into "nominal" christianity, those who claim to be Christians but really aren't.

There are many false Christians who are indeed rabid Zionists.




Jesus himself warned that the dogma of the Pharisees would seek to infiltrate Christianity and pollute its doctrine.

"And he cautioned them, saying, “Watch out; beware of the leaven of the Pharisees...... Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees

So I agree. There is no common ground at all between Zionism and Christianity.
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Jul 17, 2012 1:43 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
RayfromUSA
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ttom500: I know Ray...Syria is all a CIA plot......


Syria isn't a CIA plot.
But the western push to destroy Syrian sovereignty certainly is.

And of course you know that.
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Jul 17, 2012 4:49 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
ttom500
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RayfromUSA: Syria isn't a CIA plot.
But the western push to destroy Syrian sovereignty certainly is.

And of course you know that.


How did the Assad family come to power Syria, Ray?

In 1970 Hefez al-Assad came to power in the "Corrective Revolution". After the Corrective Revolution, he purged the Batthe Party and established Alawite rule in the country.

So?

Who destroyed Syrian Sovereignty? I think that there is pretty good case for Assad senior doing it in 1970. In 1982, he order the 'single deadliest act by a Islamic government on its people in the Hama massacre'.

The you have the Aleppo massacre. The Tel-AZar massacre. The October 13th Massacre......I would say the Assad's do a pretty good job of destroying Syrian freedoms and sovereinigty.

But why does the west want with Syrian soverniegty or Syria proper?
OK...Turkey and Syria have fought over that northern corner of the country a few times. But Turkey is not a 'western' country.
Nor is UEA or Saudi Arabia. In of those three, the connection to Syria is via the Sunni sect......

I just don't see our present oval Office holder seeking to end Syrian sovernighty. Heck he got the Nobel Peace Prize....
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Jul 18, 2012 5:02 AM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
this gotta be the joke of the week...

Hamas Abandons Assad, Backs Syrian Rebels
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh ;"I salute the heroic people of Syria who are striving for freedom, democracy and reform,"


Comment: Israel's assassination of Yasser Arafat and the creation of Hamas to supplant the PLO is beginning to make sense now:

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

What is it about Sunnis that they keep betraying their Arab brethren to align themselves with US and Israeli interests? First Lebanon, then Iraq, now Syria and Palestine... it appears that the Western powers did their homework and realised that Sunnis were most susceptible to being used as pawns to foment the fake 'Clash of Civilizations'. Perhaps there are greater concentrations of Right-Wing Authoritarians in Sunni populations?
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Jul 18, 2012 1:11 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
Iseek
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ttom500:

ISeek, I can appreciate the attempt to tie the US and NATO to alQeada.
But it is a lame one. That only the naive believe. We have been nailing alQeada butt since 911. Now they are going to go in into major
convert operation to remove Assad from power in Syria with the US and NATO?


I didn’t tie anybody my dear boy, It was the New Yorker back in 2007 under GWB! AND ALL LINKS PROVIDED came from the US!!

ttom500:

NOW alQeada is going to help the US and NATO intrude into Syria? A Islamic country? I don't think so.



Who said HELP???

Don’t play stupid TT! It really is not befitting someone who once claimed to be sending document after document to his superiors in the White House….laugh



Regards
sad flower sad flower
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Jul 18, 2012 5:46 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
ttom500
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Iseek: I know the US has had a hand in Palestine for a very, very long time now , but profiling a Palestinian Nun with US specific software!!

I Quote “” Within American culture, there are noticeable differences between stereotypical female and male voices. Male voices are expected to be low in tone, projecting as masculine or tough.”” End quote

OOOPPPSSS!!! Nice try TT!!
Grow up, don’t allow yourself to look more of a fool than you already do! For your sake…
Regards


So how is that profiling?

We have a two entire University departments (University of Utah and University of Iowa) dedicated to the study of voice and speech. This includes identification of male and female voices. The reason? Phoned ransom requests when kidnapping occurs. Most often. It helps to identify the person as male of female. So they have done this allot.

With the Mother Agnes having male facial features, am hoping that one will do the voice analysis here.

Mother Agnes statements were made in public....so there is no longer any expectation of privacy. So no profiling. Anything made public is free for scienctific assessment.

See Mother Agnes statement are about the only ones linking the SFA to acts of atrocities on the Alawites. They were the first to be called
'alQeada terrorist' and they let the Russians and Iranians deploy troops in the country.

If it is found that Mother Agnes is a man...and his statements are as being a covert agent of Assad.....well the rest you can link together. ISeek, you are playing in the big leagues. Better bring your A game.
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Jul 19, 2012 11:45 AM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
ttom500
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Russia and China just blocked a UN Security Council resulotion that would have halted Assad from using "heavy weapons" on his people. In a vote of 11 to 2 with 2 abstaining, Russia and China votes allow the Assad's slaughter of the Syrian people to continue.

Interesting that one abstaining vote was Pakistan. So the China sphere of influence and the desire to support of Iran now is so strong in the
that is would make such a vote....that allows Sunni Muslim to be killed enmass by the Assad government.

After harboring Sunni and alQeada leader bin Laden for 10 years, one would think that the bond between Pakistan and the Sunni exits. But I guess these Syrian Sunni don't merit Pakistan's consideration, or these Sunni were not paying larges sums of money to the Pakistani government for the special treatment.

So the Russian arm merchants of death continue to prosper. The UN appears to be a weaken institution with little ability to enforces its main mandate. China gets Iranian oil. Iran get to play Qud Force footy in Syria and Assad stays in power as Damascus burns.

For the fight has extended to the street of the Syrian capitol. Assad has been using daisy cutter bombs dropped from hovering helos on the SFA fighters in urban fights. Daisy cutter are large pound device likely able to know=ck down a complete block of city in one detonation.
Funny that Russia only a few months ago boasted that it had made the world's largest daisy cutter bomb. Any bets that the daisy cutter being used in Syria, come from Russia?

Seems according to all report ready to strike into the urban areas of his country with chemical weapons. This includes the deadly sarin nerve gas. You know that Sarin that Sadam Hussien did not have after the US got into Iraq back in 2002.

The Russian and Chines block also cut short a clause that would extend the UN Observation role in Syria by a 100 days. So Assad can do all this and more, without the observing eyes of the UN Observers who's UN mandate ends soon.

With 495m Chinese on the internet, they will soon learn that China communist leaders blocked this key UN resolution. Even though the government has attempted to restrict internet access to them. This is what happens when a government is not responsible to its people.

For Russia, the Russian people have to wonder why Putin would place their sons and daughter into a fight so many miles from mother Russia.
That has so little to the defense of Russia....but only a support of a brutal dictator. But then again the Russian people have seldom seen their wishes done by the President Putin. Then again, the Russian people understand the power of the Russian arms dealer inside the Kremlin and with President Putin.
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Jul 19, 2012 11:51 AM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
ttom500: Russia and China just blocked a UN Security Council resulotion that would have halted Assad from using "heavy weapons" on his people. In a vote of 11 to 2 with 2 abstaining, Russia and China votes allow the Assad's slaughter of the Syrian people to continue.

Interesting that one abstaining vote was Pakistan. So the China sphere of influence and the desire to support of Iran now is so strong in the
that is would make such a vote....that allows Sunni Muslim to be killed enmass by the Assad government.

After harboring Sunni and alQeada leader bin Laden for 10 years, one would think that the bond between Pakistan and the Sunni exits. But I guess these Syrian Sunni don't merit Pakistan's consideration, or these Sunni were not paying larges sums of money to the Pakistani government for the special treatment.

So the Russian arm merchants of death continue to prosper. The UN appears to be a weaken institution with little ability to enforces its main mandate. China gets Iranian oil. Iran get to play Qud Force footy in Syria and Assad stays in power as Damascus burns.

For the fight has extended to the street of the Syrian capitol. Assad has been using daisy cutter bombs dropped from hovering helos on the SFA fighters in urban fights. Daisy cutter are large pound device likely able to know=ck down a complete block of city in one detonation.
Funny that Russia only a few months ago boasted that it had made the world's largest daisy cutter bomb. Any bets that the daisy cutter being used in Syria, come from Russia?

Seems according to all report ready to strike into the urban areas of his country with chemical weapons. This includes the deadly sarin nerve gas. You know that Sarin that Sadam Hussien did not have after the US got into Iraq back in 2002.

The Russian and Chines block also cut short a clause that would extend the UN Observation role in Syria by a 100 days. So Assad can do all this and more, without the observing eyes of the UN Observers who's UN mandate ends soon.

With 495m Chinese on the internet, they will soon learn that China communist leaders blocked this key UN resolution. Even though the government has attempted to restrict internet access to them. This is what happens when a government is not responsible to its people.

For Russia, the Russian people have to wonder why Putin would place their sons and daughter into a fight so many miles from mother Russia.
That has so little to the defense of Russia....but only a support of a brutal dictator. But then again the Russian people have seldom seen their wishes done by the President Putin. Then again, the Russian people understand the power of the Russian arms dealer inside the Kremlin and with President Putin.


Let me show you something...

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Jul 19, 2012 12:31 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
ttom500
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So help me out Boban. What does the weaken petro dollar of the US have to do with Syria? These countries have wanted a economic tussle with the US for years. We both can agree on that. With our developing shale oil fields we are getting ready to do just that, in my opinion.

But why veto the UN Resolution on limiting Assad's use of heavy weapons on his people because of the Petrodollar? Russia, China and Iran are not making large buys of the little Syrian oil. Syria ranks 134th in the world's economies.

What this is a bout from Russian point is market for HIND, tanks, daisy cutters, and other weapons. For Iran is is a religious ideological expanse. For China it is to show that the UN and democracy institution are failing. jmo
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Jul 19, 2012 12:43 PM CST Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria
Boban1
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ttom500: So help me out Boban. What does the weaken petro dollar of the US have to do with Syria? These countries have wanted a economic tussle with the US for years. We both can agree on that. With our developing shale oil fields we are getting ready to do just that, in my opinion.

But why veto the UN Resolution on limiting Assad's use of heavy weapons on his people because of the Petrodollar? Russia, China and Iran are not making large buys of the little Syrian oil. Syria ranks 134th in the world's economies.

What this is a bout from Russian point is market for HIND, tanks, daisy cutters, and other weapons. For Iran is is a religious ideological expanse. For China it is to show that the UN and democracy institution are failing. jmo

my link was about trowing the US out of the game ( in oil trading)

why veto on the UN resolution???

I don`t know, yesterday I read about Obama and Putin having a phone conversation in which they agreed on ending the situation in Syria and that a change of the government is necessary
Today I read "Russia and China have vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution that threatened Syria with more sanctions."
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