Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
ttom500: Less than 48 hours after the Assad/Amman meeting. A major civilian atrocity or military operation by Syrian force on SFA forces occurred in Homa Province. Depending on your take of things in Syria. But according the British Observatory...over 200 civilians were killed.
Syrian forces used tanks and helo gun ships in the attacks. A mosque was fired on and collapsed on civilians taking refuge inside. Killing many.
Striking at several Sunni village in the area at the same time. Assad forces met some SFA resistance. But according to the SFA commander, the SFA has little resources and men in the area. So "could not do much".
With both Russian and Iranian in the country. It is hard to say if the attack did not have their forces present at the villages. I know chasing down those alQeada terrorist that hide in Sunni villages....
Which bring me to this point.
The Russian troops in Syria are "counter terrorist specialists" according to the Kremlin.
Have they:
1) discovered a terrorist weapon cache?........................no
2) stopped a car bombing.......................................no
3) detained a terrorist leader.................................no
4) attacked a terrorist safe house.............................no
5) conducted ANY military operation on a terrorist that has been
made public by the Russian authorities.........................noAt least no public article that I have seen has included any. But maybe others have such articles. If so.....please show them to us.
Those are the 4 MIL operations that are the major 'counter terrorist' operations that MIL around the world have developed. It is just seemed very strange to me, that the Russian have not successfully conducted
any in the last 2 months since being in Syria.
Syrian forces used tanks and helo gun ships in the attacks. A mosque was fired on and collapsed on civilians taking refuge inside. Killing many.
Striking at several Sunni village in the area at the same time. Assad forces met some SFA resistance. But according to the SFA commander, the SFA has little resources and men in the area. So "could not do much".
With both Russian and Iranian in the country. It is hard to say if the attack did not have their forces present at the villages. I know chasing down those alQeada terrorist that hide in Sunni villages....
Which bring me to this point.
The Russian troops in Syria are "counter terrorist specialists" according to the Kremlin.
Have they:
1) discovered a terrorist weapon cache?........................no
2) stopped a car bombing.......................................no
3) detained a terrorist leader.................................no
4) attacked a terrorist safe house.............................no
5) conducted ANY military operation on a terrorist that has been
made public by the Russian authorities.........................noAt least no public article that I have seen has included any. But maybe others have such articles. If so.....please show them to us.
Those are the 4 MIL operations that are the major 'counter terrorist' operations that MIL around the world have developed. It is just seemed very strange to me, that the Russian have not successfully conducted
any in the last 2 months since being in Syria.
just read it in the news...
Funny how this keep's happening just before a UNSC vote on Syria! The only one who would benifit is the FSA who wants a NATO intervention. It show the desperation of the FSA as they little insergence fails.
This is all propaganda to provoke an outcry, leading to western intervention.The Rebels(Al Quaeda) are losing the war which they had declared and are in need of western Military help.
The best way to end this is to stop supporting these Al Quaeda Militia, All we are doing is escalating the situation. Its well known the majority of people in Syria support Assad
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POST 2 OF 2 IN REPLY TO TT,
Yet more ONE SIDED views and outlandish and unfounded claims, with both no responsibility nor proof.
Kind Regards
ttom500:
With both Russian and Iranian in the country. It is hard to say if the attack did not have their forces present at the villages. I know chasing down those alQeada terrorist that hide in Sunni villages....
Which bring me to this point.
The Russian troops in Syria are "counter terrorist specialists" according to the Kremlin.
Have they:
1) discovered a terrorist weapon cache?........................no
2) stopped a car bombing.......................................no
3) detained a terrorist leader.................................no
4) attacked a terrorist safe house.............................no
5) conducted ANY military operation on a terrorist that has been
made public by the Russian authorities.........................noAt least no public article that I have seen has included any. But maybe others have such articles. If so.....please show them to us.
Those are the 4 MIL operations that are the major 'counter terrorist' operations that MIL around the world have developed. It is just seemed very strange to me, that the Russian have not successfully conducted
any in the last 2 months since being in Syria.
With both Russian and Iranian in the country. It is hard to say if the attack did not have their forces present at the villages. I know chasing down those alQeada terrorist that hide in Sunni villages....
Which bring me to this point.
The Russian troops in Syria are "counter terrorist specialists" according to the Kremlin.
Have they:
1) discovered a terrorist weapon cache?........................no
2) stopped a car bombing.......................................no
3) detained a terrorist leader.................................no
4) attacked a terrorist safe house.............................no
5) conducted ANY military operation on a terrorist that has been
made public by the Russian authorities.........................noAt least no public article that I have seen has included any. But maybe others have such articles. If so.....please show them to us.
Those are the 4 MIL operations that are the major 'counter terrorist' operations that MIL around the world have developed. It is just seemed very strange to me, that the Russian have not successfully conducted
any in the last 2 months since being in Syria.
Yet more ONE SIDED views and outlandish and unfounded claims, with both no responsibility nor proof.
Kind Regards
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Iseek: This is in spite of the FACT that most Euro press/Media are singing from the same well worn hymn
And that`s the whole concept of having a European Union aka EU
feudal system under the dictatorship of one puppet master
and I would agree on the basic idea of having a union of all people if the intention of the puppet master were good for the human kind ,but as we can see, they are far from it...
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Hi Boban,
Exactly the way I read it also!
Without a doubt, you are correct. The reason for Russia sending war ships to Syria is simply to protect their only foreign base.
Take this fact along with the fact that Russia and China both can see that the West propaganda machine is gearing up to manufacture a reason to send NATO member states into Syria without official NATO backing/support.
It appears ironically that the French are the most eager to do so. This despite their dreadful history within Syria, and not to mention that the French in dividing Syria in the first place NOT only gave what we know today as the Alawites their name, but also assisted the sect to gain power in Syria.
I agree, End support for all Rebel groups and Al Qaeda, I mean ALL support, (Financial) If mercenaries are not being paid a wage they are far less likely to continue to fight, (Arms) Stop Completely the flow of arms to the Rebels/ Al Qaeda, (Mercenaries) Stop the flow of Fighters from Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc. Then begin talks with the original Anti-Assad group/s and representatives of the Assad Government and PEACE once again becomes a possibility.
I don't honestly know what level of support Assad has, however what is becoming more and more clear is the fact that the majority of EVEN non-Alawite Syrians want a peaceful solution to this so called civil war. Add to this the Syrians want and are entitled to decide the fate of their own country.
Kind Regards
Boban1: just read it in the news...
Funny how this keep's happening just before a UNSC vote on Syria! The only one who would benifit is the FSA who wants a NATO intervention. It show the desperation of the FSA as they little insergence fails.
Funny how this keep's happening just before a UNSC vote on Syria! The only one who would benifit is the FSA who wants a NATO intervention. It show the desperation of the FSA as they little insergence fails.
Exactly the way I read it also!
Boban1:
This is all propaganda to provoke an outcry, leading to western intervention.The Rebels(Al Quaeda) are losing the war which they had declared and are in need of western Military help.
This is all propaganda to provoke an outcry, leading to western intervention.The Rebels(Al Quaeda) are losing the war which they had declared and are in need of western Military help.
Without a doubt, you are correct. The reason for Russia sending war ships to Syria is simply to protect their only foreign base.
Take this fact along with the fact that Russia and China both can see that the West propaganda machine is gearing up to manufacture a reason to send NATO member states into Syria without official NATO backing/support.
It appears ironically that the French are the most eager to do so. This despite their dreadful history within Syria, and not to mention that the French in dividing Syria in the first place NOT only gave what we know today as the Alawites their name, but also assisted the sect to gain power in Syria.
Boban1:
The best way to end this is to stop supporting these Al Quaeda Militia, All we are doing is escalating the situation. Its well known the majority of people in Syria support Assad
The best way to end this is to stop supporting these Al Quaeda Militia, All we are doing is escalating the situation. Its well known the majority of people in Syria support Assad
I agree, End support for all Rebel groups and Al Qaeda, I mean ALL support, (Financial) If mercenaries are not being paid a wage they are far less likely to continue to fight, (Arms) Stop Completely the flow of arms to the Rebels/ Al Qaeda, (Mercenaries) Stop the flow of Fighters from Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc. Then begin talks with the original Anti-Assad group/s and representatives of the Assad Government and PEACE once again becomes a possibility.
I don't honestly know what level of support Assad has, however what is becoming more and more clear is the fact that the majority of EVEN non-Alawite Syrians want a peaceful solution to this so called civil war. Add to this the Syrians want and are entitled to decide the fate of their own country.
Kind Regards
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Iseek: POST 2 OF 2 IN REPLY TO TT,
Yet more ONE SIDED views and outlandish and unfounded claims, with both no responsibility nor proof.
Kind Regards
Yet more ONE SIDED views and outlandish and unfounded claims, with both no responsibility nor proof.
Kind Regards
The proof is in lack of Russian placing Media inside their Syrian military units. The proof is in the lack of media reports on the activities of these Russian "counter terrorist units".
Do you not think that if the Russian units had conduct any one of those missions with success.....it would not make Russian media? Then the world's media?
I have been watching for it. In 8 week of Syrian MIL activities by Russians not once I have seen report on it. But if you have articles or video of Russian MIL operations in Syrian. Post it. Iseek. Let see what they are doing. All the world saw US MIL operations in Iraq....as imbedded reporters went with the troops from invasion to occupation.
Else the claim that Putin sent them there as "counter terrorist experts" begins to ring hollow. Maybe....they had Kremlin missions that the media could not see....missions.....like.......the Turkish pipeline....the atrocities......the shoot down of the Turkish jet.....flying of HIND Helos......
Sometimes in war....it was what you don't see that matters the most.
Not seeing Russian media carrying stories of Russian mission in Syria
says a lot. It means there is a Kremlin gag order on the Russian media to tell stories on their missions. Also remember that when Russian troops were in the Georgia invasion/occupation....Russian MIL missions there were in both the Russian media and newspapers.
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In response to: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
Because it's a joke to believe Syria can talk it's way out of its problems here.
The Syrian people need to kill the old guard, all of it, otherwise what comes after is pointless, like in Egpyt where the military council still essentially dictates and the revolution achieved nothing but stalemate and potential for civil war.
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Rumple4skin: Because it's a joke to believe Syria can talk it's way out of its problems here.
The Syrian people need to kill the old guard, all of it, otherwise what comes after is pointless, like in Egpyt where the military council still essentially dictates and the revolution achieved nothing but stalemate and potential for civil war.
The Syrian people need to kill the old guard, all of it, otherwise what comes after is pointless, like in Egpyt where the military council still essentially dictates and the revolution achieved nothing but stalemate and potential for civil war.
The US backs Kofi Annan plan for Syrian Peace. The Arab League backs Kofi Annan plan for Peace in Syria In fact Kofi Annan took many of the Arab League positions for his 6 point peace plan.
But we not going to put Peace keeping troops in Syria when Russians and Iranians are walking around in it. Such would be a one way to have WWIII......
The ones that are blocking the UN security council resolutions for Syria....is Russia and China....these UN Resolutions are a further extension of Kofi Annan peace plan for Syria.
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ttom500: The US backs Kofi Annan plan for Syrian Peace. The Arab League backs Kofi Annan plan for Peace in Syria In fact Kofi Annan took many of the Arab League positions for his 6 point peace plan.
But we not going to put Peace keeping troops in Syria when Russians and Iranians are walking around in it. Such would be a one way to have WWIII......
The ones that are blocking the UN security council resolutions for Syria....is Russia and China....these UN Resolutions are a further extension of Kofi Annan peace plan for Syria.
But we not going to put Peace keeping troops in Syria when Russians and Iranians are walking around in it. Such would be a one way to have WWIII......
The ones that are blocking the UN security council resolutions for Syria....is Russia and China....these UN Resolutions are a further extension of Kofi Annan peace plan for Syria.
The whole point of Annan's plan is as a futile gesture to appear humane so as to not to be accused of inaction in the face of atrocity.
It's pure cynicism
I believe that the less the West has to do with Syria the better, that's before even factoring in the presence of the Iranians and Russia.
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ttom500: The US backs Kofi Annan plan for Syrian Peace. The Arab League backs Kofi Annan plan for Peace in Syria In fact Kofi Annan took many of the Arab League positions for his 6 point peace plan.
But we not going to put Peace keeping troops in Syria when Russians and Iranians are walking around in it. Such would be a one way to have WWIII......
The ones that are blocking the UN security council resolutions for Syria....is Russia and China....these UN Resolutions are a further extension of Kofi Annan peace plan for Syria.
But we not going to put Peace keeping troops in Syria when Russians and Iranians are walking around in it. Such would be a one way to have WWIII......
The ones that are blocking the UN security council resolutions for Syria....is Russia and China....these UN Resolutions are a further extension of Kofi Annan peace plan for Syria.
yeah good old Kofi and his plan
Im not surprised they didn`t accepted his plan ,besides UN was created and still lead by the Rotschild family ...
What Im interested in is, Is Russia playing a game, a game with huge stakes and waits for the higher bidder or are their intention the well being of Syria
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Boban1: yeah good old Kofi and his plan
Im not surprised they didn`t accepted his plan ,besides UN was created and still lead by the Rotschild family ...
What Im interested in is, Is Russia playing a game, a game with huge stakes and waits for the higher bidder or are their intention the well being of Syria
Im not surprised they didn`t accepted his plan ,besides UN was created and still lead by the Rotschild family ...
What Im interested in is, Is Russia playing a game, a game with huge stakes and waits for the higher bidder or are their intention the well being of Syria
I don't think such a lumbering, incoherent rabble like the UN could be described as "lead" by anybody. You can tell the UN is quite democratically principled by the scale of in-fighting, the length of time it takes to act upon anything and its sheer absence of results.
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Rumple4skin: Because it's a joke to believe Syria can talk it's way out of its problems here.
The Syrian people need to kill the old guard, all of it, otherwise what comes after is pointless, like in Egpyt where the military council still essentially dictates and the revolution achieved nothing but stalemate and potential for civil war.
The Syrian people need to kill the old guard, all of it, otherwise what comes after is pointless, like in Egpyt where the military council still essentially dictates and the revolution achieved nothing but stalemate and potential for civil war.
I couldn't agree more!
But like Egypt there are far to many with interests in the outcome. The original question I asked re: Kofi Annan peace plan, was mainly as a result of those with their fingers in the pie that is Syria.
The answer as you say is the people of Syria removing OR for that matter not removing the old guard. But it has to be or rather should be the people of Syria who decide..
Kind Regards
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ttom500: The proof is in lack of Russian placing Media inside their Syrian military units. The proof is in the lack of media reports on the activities of these Russian "counter terrorist units".
Do you not think that if the Russian units had conduct any one of those missions with success.....it would not make Russian media? Then the world's media?
Do you not think that if the Russian units had conduct any one of those missions with success.....it would not make Russian media? Then the world's media?
OK, so as I have said many times before then! Just one sided, one view ramblings.. BTW, working on your principle of what constitutes proof, wouldn’t the same formula also apply to The US, NATO the West, China etc, etc, etc,
ttom500:
I have been watching for it. In 8 week of Syrian MIL activities by Russians not once I have seen report on it. But if you have articles or video of Russian MIL operations in Syrian. Post it. Iseek. Let see what they are doing. All the world saw US MIL operations in Iraq....as imbedded reporters went with the troops from invasion to occupation.
I have been watching for it. In 8 week of Syrian MIL activities by Russians not once I have seen report on it. But if you have articles or video of Russian MIL operations in Syrian. Post it. Iseek. Let see what they are doing. All the world saw US MIL operations in Iraq....as imbedded reporters went with the troops from invasion to occupation.
As I have repeatedly said TT, no proof!! It is not for me to prove your theories Right or Wrong, BUT for you to back up the outlandish statements/claims that you have been making now for weeks….
ttom500:
Else the claim that Putin sent them there as "counter terrorist experts" begins to ring hollow. Maybe....they had Kremlin missions that the media could not see....missions.....like.......the Turkish pipeline....the atrocities......the shoot down of the Turkish jet.....flying of HIND Helos......
Sometimes in war....it was what you don't see that matters the most.
Not seeing Russian media carrying stories of Russian mission in Syria
says a lot. It means there is a Kremlin gag order on the Russian media to tell stories on their missions. Also remember that when Russian troops were in the Georgia invasion/occupation....Russian MIL missions there were in both the Russian media and newspapers.
Else the claim that Putin sent them there as "counter terrorist experts" begins to ring hollow. Maybe....they had Kremlin missions that the media could not see....missions.....like.......the Turkish pipeline....the atrocities......the shoot down of the Turkish jet.....flying of HIND Helos......
Sometimes in war....it was what you don't see that matters the most.
Not seeing Russian media carrying stories of Russian mission in Syria
says a lot. It means there is a Kremlin gag order on the Russian media to tell stories on their missions. Also remember that when Russian troops were in the Georgia invasion/occupation....Russian MIL missions there were in both the Russian media and newspapers.
More supposition ONLY!! Backed by stories from Georgia, BTW, you have forgotten already, Georgia attacked Russia, Russia retaliated not the other way around… Remember…
Kind Regards
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ttom500: Good old Sadam Hussien Gassed the Kurds with both artillery shells and aircraft bombs chemical weapons. I know Sadam never had WMDs. They all just melted away. Or just maybe they made a trip to the Syrian border....and one President Assad took them in with Hussien's family and much of the Iraqi treasury.
Yep, that old chestnut again TT, OR maybe the Taxi driver made a fortune telling fibs to the Americans or Maybe (and this is closer) GWB, decided he needed a reason to rid himself of his former commander in the first strike against Iran, Saddam… So WMD’s were used then like atrocities in Libya and indeed now in Syria today are used as a reason to invade, or at the VERY least a Reason to avoid peace..
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Iseek: OK, so as I have said many times before then! Just one sided, one view ramblings.. BTW, working on your principle of what constitutes proof, wouldn’t the same formula also apply to The US, NATO the West, China etc, etc, etc,
As I have repeatedly said TT, no proof!! It is not for me to prove your theories Right or Wrong, BUT for you to back up the outlandish statements/claims that you have been making now for weeks….
More supposition ONLY!! Backed by stories from Georgia, BTW, you have forgotten already, Georgia attacked Russia, Russia retaliated not the other way around… Remember…
Kind Regards
As I have repeatedly said TT, no proof!! It is not for me to prove your theories Right or Wrong, BUT for you to back up the outlandish statements/claims that you have been making now for weeks….
More supposition ONLY!! Backed by stories from Georgia, BTW, you have forgotten already, Georgia attacked Russia, Russia retaliated not the other way around… Remember…
Kind Regards
I just checked the back issues of Pravda. A lot of words and stories about Syria. About US military intervention. About the NATO conspriracy to use Turkey to invade Syria.
Not a word or article about the mission that the Russian counter terrorist units are conducting. Just vague articles on the missions that the Russian ships in the MED are doing.
Look......if you have sent MIL units to conduct human rights abuses abroad, you are not going to place imbedded reporters with them or give out stories on the missions. You gag the information flow on the units and their missions.
That is exactly what the Kremlin and Putin has done.....
Iseek you can holler for proof. The proof is in the absence of media and print on the missions of the Russian units. When the SFA takes the first Russian prisoner.....the truth to Russian missions will become to come out.
By the way. It is the same of Iran and its deployed Quds Force. Iran is keeping the media from their missions and gagging any media on them.
No big deal.....that first Iranian/Russian taken prisoner....will sing like a pidgeon.......and to confirm his words.....now in the west in General Tlas....former head of the Syrian Revolutionary Guard.
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ttom500: I just checked the back issues of Pravda. A lot of words and stories about Syria. About US military intervention. About the NATO conspriracy to use Turkey to invade Syria.
Not a word or article about the mission that the Russian counter terrorist units are conducting. Just vague articles on the missions that the Russian ships in the MED are doing.
Look......if you have sent MIL units to conduct human rights abuses abroad, you are not going to place imbedded reporters with them or give out stories on the missions. You gag the information flow on the units and their missions.
Not a word or article about the mission that the Russian counter terrorist units are conducting. Just vague articles on the missions that the Russian ships in the MED are doing.
Look......if you have sent MIL units to conduct human rights abuses abroad, you are not going to place imbedded reporters with them or give out stories on the missions. You gag the information flow on the units and their missions.
Might that also be because it is all invented?? And nothing more!! One could look at the NY Times and assume that the total lack of Information on US special forces and CIA within Syria, WOULD CLEARLY indicate (using your flawed thought process) that there MUST be CIA and other US special forces actively KILLING Men, women and children and then disguising these crimes as having been committed by the Assad Regime….
However like your suppositions, the claims above would be UNTRUE and totally unfounded and lacking in proof……
ttom500:
That is exactly what the Kremlin and Putin has done.....
Iseek you can holler for proof. The proof is in the absence of media and print on the missions of the Russian units. When the SFA takes the first Russian prisoner.....the truth to Russian missions will become to come out.
That is exactly what the Kremlin and Putin has done.....
Iseek you can holler for proof. The proof is in the absence of media and print on the missions of the Russian units. When the SFA takes the first Russian prisoner.....the truth to Russian missions will become to come out.
See my example above TT……………….
ttom500:
By the way. It is the same of Iran and its deployed Quds Force. Iran is keeping the media from their missions and gagging any media on them.
No big deal.....that first Iranian/Russian taken prisoner....will sing like a pidgeon.......and to confirm his words.....now in the west in General Tlas....former head of the Syrian Revolutionary Guard.
By the way. It is the same of Iran and its deployed Quds Force. Iran is keeping the media from their missions and gagging any media on them.
No big deal.....that first Iranian/Russian taken prisoner....will sing like a pidgeon.......and to confirm his words.....now in the west in General Tlas....former head of the Syrian Revolutionary Guard.
The term is, sing like a Canary or to become a stool pigeon. As for General Tlas and his well know connections to France and Paris in particular where his family enjoy almost star or celebrity status among French elite.. WHERE IS HE??? The FRENCH Government has admitted to his absence, despite Holland bragging that he would be in Paris over a week ago NOW!
It appears that the defection of Tlas is a surprise to the West, yet it is well documented that his Father is a well know occupant of Parisian society and his Sister and equally well know socialite…. Maybe not such a big surprise to the Assad regime though!!!
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Boban1: Well hello, they started a revolution against the legitimate leader,regime of a country ,so what do you expect .
I don`t see that things are better now that most of these so called dictators have been shot,hanged or killed in some other way de facto it is worse .Probably .some people will leave ,to save their lives ,thats what the sanctions were invented in the first place ,to hit the common folks of a country ,its just one of the tricks the warmongers use to breakdown a nation,country or region
I don`t see that things are better now that most of these so called dictators have been shot,hanged or killed in some other way de facto it is worse .Probably .some people will leave ,to save their lives ,thats what the sanctions were invented in the first place ,to hit the common folks of a country ,its just one of the tricks the warmongers use to breakdown a nation,country or region
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Boban1: Well hello, they started a revolution against the legitimate leader,regime of a country ,so what do you expect .
I don`t see that things are better now that most of these so called dictators have been shot,hanged or killed in some other way de facto it is worse .Probably .some people will leave ,to save their lives ,thats what the sanctions were invented in the first place ,to hit the common folks of a country ,its just one of the tricks the warmongers use to breakdown a nation,country or region
I don`t see that things are better now that most of these so called dictators have been shot,hanged or killed in some other way de facto it is worse .Probably .some people will leave ,to save their lives ,thats what the sanctions were invented in the first place ,to hit the common folks of a country ,its just one of the tricks the warmongers use to breakdown a nation,country or region
Those innocent women and children started a revolution?
Iseek not even you can believed that tripe. A artillery shell fired from miles away has about ability to determine a revolutionary from a innocent civilian as a great white shark can determine the difference from a harbor seal and a leopard seal. It don't matter to either. Food is food to a great white. And a body to piece with flying sharpnel is a body to pierce.
If Assad, Putin and Amhmenajad wanted to get the revolutionaries leaders of this....they have had plenty of chances to do so. They just have to infliltate the SFA with undercover agents. But instead they strike at the Sunni civilians.
The UN did get out to inspect Tremseh that latest shelling victim village of the Assad regime. "To determine the facts". But even if the facts point to the ASsad doing the atrocity here, you will deny it.
By the way. Every military in the world teaches even raw recruits to read the impact craters of artillery and tank rounds. You can determine the range and direction the shell was fired from, the size of the tube, the type shell, and the type of fuse from the crater. The SFA does not have many artillery pieces or tanks.....
So if Tremseh was bombarded with artillery and tanks fire.....we know who did it. So will the UN Observers......
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ttom500: Those innocent women and children started a revolution?
Iseek not even you can believed that tripe. A artillery shell fired from miles away has about ability to determine a revolutionary from a innocent civilian as a great white shark can determine the difference from a harbor seal and a leopard seal. It don't matter to either. Food is food to a great white. And a body to piece with flying sharpnel is a body to pierce.
Iseek not even you can believed that tripe. A artillery shell fired from miles away has about ability to determine a revolutionary from a innocent civilian as a great white shark can determine the difference from a harbor seal and a leopard seal. It don't matter to either. Food is food to a great white. And a body to piece with flying sharpnel is a body to pierce.
Absolutely correct!! That I am not, nor have I ever debated..
However the Rebels/Al Qaeda willingness to hold civilians against their will and in effect as human shields , in areas that they (the rebels) KNOW are about to be bombarded by Assad forces IS THE ISSUE! (as proved by Mother Agnes in her report to the Vatican) Not whether the shelling happens or not!!
ttom500:
If Assad, Putin and Amhmenajad wanted to get the revolutionaries leaders of this....they have had plenty of chances to do so. They just have to infliltate the SFA with undercover agents. But instead they strike at the Sunni civilians.
The UN did get out to inspect Tremseh that latest shelling victim village of the Assad regime. "To determine the facts". But even if the facts point to the ASsad doing the atrocity here, you will deny it.
If Assad, Putin and Amhmenajad wanted to get the revolutionaries leaders of this....they have had plenty of chances to do so. They just have to infliltate the SFA with undercover agents. But instead they strike at the Sunni civilians.
The UN did get out to inspect Tremseh that latest shelling victim village of the Assad regime. "To determine the facts". But even if the facts point to the ASsad doing the atrocity here, you will deny it.
That is a BLATANT LIE!! On many an occasion I have pointed out facts about Assad his military and his Regime even before it made the newsstands State Side. But because I also point out the LIES the Rebels and Al Qaeda and their Masters Saudi and Qatar try to sell to the world. You object because in doing so, it does not fit the US/NATO agenda….
ttom500:
By the way. Every military in the world teaches even raw recruits to read the impact craters of artillery and tank rounds. You can determine the range and direction the shell was fired from, the size of the tube, the type shell, and the type of fuse from the crater. The SFA does not have many artillery pieces or tanks.....
So if Tremseh was bombarded with artillery and tanks fire.....we know who did it. So will the UN Observers......
By the way. Every military in the world teaches even raw recruits to read the impact craters of artillery and tank rounds. You can determine the range and direction the shell was fired from, the size of the tube, the type shell, and the type of fuse from the crater. The SFA does not have many artillery pieces or tanks.....
So if Tremseh was bombarded with artillery and tanks fire.....we know who did it. So will the UN Observers......
You again miss the point (sometimes I think to suit yourself) the ISSUE is not whether the area was attacked by Assad military (THAT IS ACCEPTED) the issue is AGAIN, that these AL QAEDA assisted Mercenaries are HOLDING innocent CIVILIANS against their will as SHIELDS against any attack by Assad forces. Then when attacked they CRY FOUL, about civilian losses, When both SIDES are equally to blame in this conflict AND THEIR MASTERS…
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Syrian forces used tanks and helo gun ships in the attacks. A mosque was fired on and collapsed on civilians taking refuge inside. Killing many.
Striking at several Sunni village in the area at the same time. Assad forces met some SFA resistance. But according to the SFA commander, the SFA has little resources and men in the area. So "could not do much".
With both Russian and Iranian in the country. It is hard to say if the attack did not have their forces present at the villages. I know chasing down those alQeada terrorist that hide in Sunni villages....
Which bring me to this point.
The Russian troops in Syria are "counter terrorist specialists" according to the Kremlin.
Have they:
1) discovered a terrorist weapon cache?........................no
2) stopped a car bombing.......................................no
3) detained a terrorist leader.................................no
4) attacked a terrorist safe house.............................no
5) conducted ANY military operation on a terrorist that has been
made public by the Russian authorities.........................no
At least no public article that I have seen has included any. But maybe others have such articles. If so.....please show them to us.
Those are the 4 MIL operations that are the major 'counter terrorist' operations that MIL around the world have developed. It is just seemed very strange to me, that the Russian have not successfully conducted
any in the last 2 months since being in Syria.