Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
Boban1: The best would be sending Kofi where he came from and stick his plan where the sun don`t shine
The UN`s " good intention " will end up as in my country ,Iraq , Libya ,etc
The UN`s " good intention " will end up as in my country ,Iraq , Libya ,etc
Sorry Boban, went over my head?? What do you mean?
Albertaghost: No. The key point is #2, ""the Syrian government should immediately cease troop movements towards, and end the use of heavy weapons in, population centres, and begin pullback of military concentrations in and around population centres."" It matters not who backs what as long as this one is adhered to. Once this is done the plan can roll ahead.
Yep...
Albertaghost:
However, as I stated, within a couple of days of saying they would adhere to the plan the government attacked. Thus, the plan was destroyed or at the very least, thrown off the track. FoS, those with a ;'dog in the fight' and Ms Rice did not attack, the Syrian government did.
It did happen.
However, as I stated, within a couple of days of saying they would adhere to the plan the government attacked. Thus, the plan was destroyed or at the very least, thrown off the track. FoS, those with a ;'dog in the fight' and Ms Rice did not attack, the Syrian government did.
It did happen.
I don't deny that! but the peace plan was and IS still active (supposed to be) and on that very DAY the naysayers were out in force.
As for "MS Rice didn't Syrian Gov did"
NOW you are being argumentative for the sake of it!
Albertaghost:
There was one. Annan's plan. The one this thread is about and the one that ws broken by the Syrian government.
Within days the Syrian government threw the plan out the window. The key to making it work is to get them to adhere to it. Then work on the opposition so that they adhere to it.
There was one. Annan's plan. The one this thread is about and the one that ws broken by the Syrian government.
Within days the Syrian government threw the plan out the window. The key to making it work is to get them to adhere to it. Then work on the opposition so that they adhere to it.
That was exactly my point! ALL parties MUST be adhere...
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Iseek: Yep...
I don't deny that! but the peace plan was and IS still active (supposed to be) and on that very DAY the naysayers were out in force.
I don't deny that! but the peace plan was and IS still active (supposed to be) and on that very DAY the naysayers were out in force.
Until the Syrian government comes on board with the plan then it is unworkable. And this is coming from a guy who hopes that it would work.
Iseek:
As for "MS Rice didn't Syrian Gov did"
NOW you are being argumentative for the sake of it!
As for "MS Rice didn't Syrian Gov did"
NOW you are being argumentative for the sake of it!
No, just pointing out that Ms Rice did not destroy the peace plan or send it off track, the Syrian government did and, no matter what you say, who you attempt to blame the fault lies with the government and no other.
Iseek: That was exactly my point! ALL parties MUST be adhere...
Seems all others are willing to adhere and waiting for the key player to lay the ground work. I mean, pretty difficult to have workers move aid into a battlefield.
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Albertaghost: Until the Syrian government comes on board with the plan then it is unworkable. And this is coming from a guy who hopes that it would work.
I agree!
Albertaghost:
No, just pointing out that Ms Rice did not destroy the peace plan or send it off track, the Syrian government did and, no matter what you say, who you attempt to blame the fault lies with the government and no other.
No, just pointing out that Ms Rice did not destroy the peace plan or send it off track, the Syrian government did and, no matter what you say, who you attempt to blame the fault lies with the government and no other.
Yep, as I have said before!
Albertaghost:
Seems all others are willing to adhere and waiting for the key player to lay the ground work. I mean, pretty difficult to have workers move aid into a battlefield.
Seems all others are willing to adhere and waiting for the key player to lay the ground work. I mean, pretty difficult to have workers move aid into a battlefield.
I Agree,
Either way, we just ain't going to agree on everything, however I take on board your points.
Regards
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ttom500: The United State has not bombed anyone in Syria. And it is not likely that we will. This all Muslim affair that is slipping over to Lebanon is just that.....a all Muslim affair.
Really?
ttom500: So why keep posting about bombing?
Read the posting !
ttom500:
You act like the US started this. We did not. It started with the Arab Spring.
You act like the US started this. We did not. It started with the Arab Spring.
PLEASE, Arab spring, you know I wondered when that would be used, I don't act like the US started this, that is YOUR opinion only. THIS from a guy who POSTED the following: -BELOW-
ttom500: Syria has a defense pact with Iran. So attack Syria, attack Iran.
ttom500:
Now it is just a diversion to the unfolding events on Iran nuclear programs. Bombing there.....that is pretty good possibility.
The more media space and air time that is consumed on Syrian atrocities, the less international media heat that is placed on Iran and its nuclear programs. A pretty simple equation when you think about it.
Now it is just a diversion to the unfolding events on Iran nuclear programs. Bombing there.....that is pretty good possibility.
The more media space and air time that is consumed on Syrian atrocities, the less international media heat that is placed on Iran and its nuclear programs. A pretty simple equation when you think about it.
to you!
ttom500:
The Syrian can civil war a for a decade just like the Iraqi Civil war in Iraq after the first Gulf war. Only this time, the US does not have
a UN mandate to overfly or a protecterate to keep the peace. So just sit back relax and watch the Syrian fire works.
The Syrian can civil war a for a decade just like the Iraqi Civil war in Iraq after the first Gulf war. Only this time, the US does not have
a UN mandate to overfly or a protecterate to keep the peace. So just sit back relax and watch the Syrian fire works.
yep, what can I say this from a warmonger!
ttom500:
And Yes, as long as you wish to stop the Syria Freedom Army from getting weapons to defend themselves.....you are a pawn for Assad.
And Yes, as long as you wish to stop the Syria Freedom Army from getting weapons to defend themselves.....you are a pawn for Assad.
From your skewed point of view, I assume you would agree with arming rebels in all other countries including those with Western AIRBASES then? Or maybe just swing from one side to the other like in Egypt!
How exactly does any of your suggestions SAVE INNOCENT LIVES????????
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
Why not let the Syrian find the peace amongst themselves? Despite everything, it is better that they have their own blood on their hands, than that we have their bloods on our hands.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
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You have a history case called Iraq.
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olaix: Why not let the Syrian find the peace amongst themselves? Despite everything, it is better that they have their own blood on their hands, than that we have their bloods on our hands.
It just appears odd to say the very least to me, that the West (so to speak) stood by and watched Egypt, Bahrain, Gaza & West Bank and many others without feeling the compulsion to save lives.. Let's face facts Libya is no shining example of intervention.
olaix:
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
Yes, there DOES appear to be a total lack of Stats on killings by BOTH sides and as I have said before far too many others have a dog in this fight!
Regards
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olaix: Why not let the Syrian find the peace amongst themselves? Despite everything, it is better that they have their own blood on their hands, than that we have their bloods on our hands.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
My opinion as well ...
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Iseek: It just appears odd to say the very least to me, that the West (so to speak) stood by and watched Egypt, Bahrain, Gaza & West Bank and many others without feeling the compulsion to save lives.. Let's face facts Libya is no shining example of intervention.
Well, who knows what the deal would be, if there weren't any intervention to begin with, from years, decades and so on. Obviously, we all have this instinct to save life, and to end suffering, but all too often this natural trigger is abused, and honestly, the more one read, the more obvious it should be, that one knows less and less (if one is interested in the absolute truth on the matter).
Iseek: Yes, there DOES appear to be a total lack of Stats on killings by BOTH sides and as I have said before far too many others have a dog in this fight!
Regards
Regards
So what to do? For all who does not live there, the newspaper and reports own the truth. And we are going to get our hands bloody just like that?
Democracy is dependent on the population to be politically active, and consisting of philosophers. Else its just another 4 year dictatorship, oligarchy etc etc
Better to stay out of other sovereign countries businesses, the few can't govern the many beyond a certain point of suffering, all naturally overthrown dictatorship, like the Iranian revolution of '79 should testify to this.
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Boban1: My opinion as well ...
Philosophy for the win
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In response to: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
Who's kofi Annan? Have you ever seen a powerful secretary general of UN who could question fake colonising royals or USA over the centuries old war-mongering? come on....the world doesn't buy puppets anymore!
Just questioning the fundings of unrest and security contractors (terrorists) will make him a secreatary genereal nomore!
Wellcome to the golden jubilee!
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olaix: Why not let the Syrian find the peace amongst themselves? Despite everything, it is better that they have their own blood on their hands, than that we have their bloods on our hands.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
Besides, I'm not sure the whole truth and nothing but the truth is what is reflected in the media and reports from either sides, which makes it hard to take a stand.
I too would agree with this. I'm no lover of innocent people getting killed but I would trust no outside Gov not to inflict their version of Democracy or use the conflict to further their own aims and ideals.
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maxmate1: Who's kofi Annan? Have you ever seen a powerful secretary general of UN who could question fake colonising royals or USA over the centuries old war-mongering? come on....the world doesn't buy puppets anymore!
Just questioning the fundings of unrest and security contractors (terrorists) will make him a secreatary genereal nomore!
Wellcome to the golden jubilee!
Just questioning the fundings of unrest and security contractors (terrorists) will make him a secreatary genereal nomore!
Wellcome to the golden jubilee!
You are such a well balanced chap Max....A chip on both shoulders...
Actually Syria can sort itself out without any help if we let them get on with it.It may and up in a civil war. But the lies from all the factions are clearly seen.
If no country re-arms any of the factions then it will fizzle out.
Seal the borders and let them sort themselves out. Then they only have themselves to blame...Unlike all the recent crap where folk blame all sorts. Time the Arabs sorted themselves out...
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patmac: You are such a well balanced chap Max....A chip on both shoulders...
Actually Syria can sort itself out without any help if we let them get on with it.It may and up in a civil war. But the lies from all the factions are clearly seen.
If no country re-arms any of the factions then it will fizzle out.
Seal the borders and let them sort themselves out. Then they only have themselves to blame...Unlike all the recent crap where folk blame all sorts. Time the Arabs sorted themselves out...
Actually Syria can sort itself out without any help if we let them get on with it.It may and up in a civil war. But the lies from all the factions are clearly seen.
If no country re-arms any of the factions then it will fizzle out.
Seal the borders and let them sort themselves out. Then they only have themselves to blame...Unlike all the recent crap where folk blame all sorts. Time the Arabs sorted themselves out...
I wish other powers would leave them alone and not try to get involved in their affairs but unfortunately greed will not allow that to happen.
Interfering, overthrowing, persuasion, invasion has not really worked too well so far.
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Iseek: Really?
Read the posting !
PLEASE, Arab spring, you know I wondered when that would be used, I don't act like the US started this, that is YOUR opinion only. THIS from a guy who POSTED the following: -BELOW-
to you!
yep, what can I say this from a warmonger!
From your skewed point of view, I assume you would agree with arming rebels in all other countries including those with Western AIRBASES then? Or maybe just swing from one side to the other like in Egypt!
How exactly does any of your suggestions SAVE INNOCENT LIVES????????
Read the posting !
PLEASE, Arab spring, you know I wondered when that would be used, I don't act like the US started this, that is YOUR opinion only. THIS from a guy who POSTED the following: -BELOW-
to you!
yep, what can I say this from a warmonger!
From your skewed point of view, I assume you would agree with arming rebels in all other countries including those with Western AIRBASES then? Or maybe just swing from one side to the other like in Egypt!
How exactly does any of your suggestions SAVE INNOCENT LIVES????????
According the Russian....this is a civil war. Is anyone innocent in a civil war? That is a tricky question. Maybe to hard for you to handle.
I have suggested in the past....that Muslims cut the weapons flows to the middle east. Run sting operations on the arms dealers like Blout.
Earlier I showed others land obstacling in Iraq that I have direct responsilbity. I have saved more Muslim lives in Iraq and
Kosovo that have been killed in Syria.
But since you are now having this "bit of trouble" coming at your peace keepers in Lebanon....I shared that land obstacling idea again. To see if there was anyone serious here about saving Irish and French lives. Clearly since you don't read my post well enough to understand them with out some petty name calling.
So in the future.....don't ask. Because I don't intend to keep giving ideas to pull Irish and French butts out coming trouble. Enjoy the ride Gentlemen. When your SUVs start flipping in Lebanon and Syria from road side IEDs.....don't say we did not warn you.
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ttom500: According the Russian....this is a civil war. Is anyone innocent in a civil war? That is a tricky question. Maybe to hard for you to handle.
NOBODY is innocent in any war! And you just made my point!
ttom500:
I have suggested in the past....that Muslims cut the weapons flows to the middle east. Run sting operations on the arms dealers like Blout.
Earlier I showed others land obstacling in Iraq that I have direct responsilbity. I have saved more Muslim lives in Iraq and
Kosovo that have been killed in Syria.
I have suggested in the past....that Muslims cut the weapons flows to the middle east. Run sting operations on the arms dealers like Blout.
Earlier I showed others land obstacling in Iraq that I have direct responsilbity. I have saved more Muslim lives in Iraq and
Kosovo that have been killed in Syria.
Your point is?
ttom500:
But since you are now having this "bit of trouble" coming at your peace keepers in Lebanon....I shared that land obstacling idea again. To see if there was anyone serious here about saving Irish and French lives. Clearly since you don't read my post well enough to understand them with out some petty name calling.
But since you are now having this "bit of trouble" coming at your peace keepers in Lebanon....I shared that land obstacling idea again. To see if there was anyone serious here about saving Irish and French lives. Clearly since you don't read my post well enough to understand them with out some petty name calling.
By petty name calling you me my suggestion of Warmongering, the what would you call YOUR statement ???
The land obstacle, was not mentioned here! I fail to understand your point AGAIN! What is that to do with stopping further innocent lives in Syria??
ttom500:
So in the future.....don't ask. Because I don't intend to keep giving ideas to pull Irish and French butts out coming trouble. Enjoy the ride Gentlemen. When your SUVs start flipping in Lebanon and Syria from road side IEDs.....don't say we did not warn you.
So in the future.....don't ask. Because I don't intend to keep giving ideas to pull Irish and French butts out coming trouble. Enjoy the ride Gentlemen. When your SUVs start flipping in Lebanon and Syria from road side IEDs.....don't say we did not warn you.
I am aware of NO LOSSES to the Irish peacekeepers since the Congo, which coming from a military Family I do remember....
You don't HAVE TO post here if you don't want to!
Again what has all the above got to do with avoiding the Loss of INNOCENT lives in Syria???
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vinny1967: I wish other powers would leave them alone and not try to get involved in their affairs but unfortunately greed will not allow that to happen.
Interfering, overthrowing, persuasion, invasion has not really worked too well so far.
Interfering, overthrowing, persuasion, invasion has not really worked too well so far.
Yes, Libya is living proof, I was starting to believe I was the only one against intervention here! Phew!!!!
maxmate1: Who's kofi Annan? Have you ever seen a powerful secretary general of UN who could question fake colonising royals or USA over the centuries old war-mongering? come on....the world doesn't buy puppets anymore!
Just questioning the fundings of unrest and security contractors (terrorists) will make him a secreatary genereal nomore!
Wellcome to the golden jubilee!
Just questioning the fundings of unrest and security contractors (terrorists) will make him a secreatary genereal nomore!
Wellcome to the golden jubilee!
I only used Kofi Annan because of his role in the so called peace plans..
patmac: You are such a well balanced chap Max....A chip on both shoulders...
Actually Syria can sort itself out without any help if we let them get on with it.It may and up in a civil war. But the lies from all the factions are clearly seen.
If no country re-arms any of the factions then it will fizzle out.
Seal the borders and let them sort themselves out. Then they only have themselves to blame...Unlike all the recent crap where folk blame all sorts. Time the Arabs sorted themselves out...
Actually Syria can sort itself out without any help if we let them get on with it.It may and up in a civil war. But the lies from all the factions are clearly seen.
If no country re-arms any of the factions then it will fizzle out.
Seal the borders and let them sort themselves out. Then they only have themselves to blame...Unlike all the recent crap where folk blame all sorts. Time the Arabs sorted themselves out...
I again agree, about truth being the first casualty of any War Conflict!
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I think that i have your answer Iseek.
Kobi Annan just came to the United States to seek help for the Syrian crisis. What help he is planning to ask for....is unknown at this time.
But I am just guessing....that with our military withdrawal from Iraq and having a 150,000 combat troops back home from the region. He just might be asking for US peace keepers for Syria.
Politically for this Irish American President Obama ...)).....that is not a very good suggestion. The REP will scald him alive before the November election if he places peace keepers into Syria. He was the one to get us out of the Iraq, remember? He has Iran to deal with. And he just did a undeclared war in Libya. He has a very tight race ahead at best right now he has a 3 point lead on Romney. The chance that he will place US peace keeper in Syria.....is very small. Obama is a very cautious man.
But I wish to be fair here.
So think that there is a counter proposal that the White House can offer to the Kobi Annan. But with your vast knowledge on the area and such a desire to help the Syrian people. I just decided to get your opinion.
Since the Russian are going to veto any security council resolution on
Syria....they have and Putin says that they will in the future. Why not pass a General Assembly resolution committing 300,000 Russian peace keeper to Syria for say a three years.
If Russia fails to place the 300,000 peace keepers into Syria. Russia loses its security council seat for three year. No veto to block any plan Kobi Annan plan for Syria.
I know it is just me, I like to put political incentives on the table.
I also like to place all the cards on the table.....again just me.
If Russia is still a military super power....placing 300,000 troops into Syria...is no big deal. Then again if Russia is a paper tiger....placing 300,000 troops and supporting them for 3 years is not within Russia's military abilities. Putin's Russia just stepped in a big opps and all the world will know it.
But hey you and Kobi Annan win either way. Russia can peace keep. Which is want you want. A major country to peace keep the civil war. Or if Russia cannot, it loses its veto on the security council. Then Kobi Annan can get his Syrian resolution passed. So it is a win win.
So what say you?
Now I might suggest you remember middle east history. The US for 10 year flew the Iraqi no fly zones protecting the Kurds and Shia from Sadam Hussien after the first Gulf war. And we were in Iraq with only 150,000 annually for the last 10 years. So I am giving Russia less time to get the peace keeping mission done and more manpower.....to do it with. I can be fair. ))
If you will write it up for a Irish government proposal. I will write it up for the White House to review and suggest to Kobi Annan.
Kobi Annan just came to the United States to seek help for the Syrian crisis. What help he is planning to ask for....is unknown at this time.
But I am just guessing....that with our military withdrawal from Iraq and having a 150,000 combat troops back home from the region. He just might be asking for US peace keepers for Syria.
Politically for this Irish American President Obama ...)).....that is not a very good suggestion. The REP will scald him alive before the November election if he places peace keepers into Syria. He was the one to get us out of the Iraq, remember? He has Iran to deal with. And he just did a undeclared war in Libya. He has a very tight race ahead at best right now he has a 3 point lead on Romney. The chance that he will place US peace keeper in Syria.....is very small. Obama is a very cautious man.
But I wish to be fair here.
So think that there is a counter proposal that the White House can offer to the Kobi Annan. But with your vast knowledge on the area and such a desire to help the Syrian people. I just decided to get your opinion.
Since the Russian are going to veto any security council resolution on
Syria....they have and Putin says that they will in the future. Why not pass a General Assembly resolution committing 300,000 Russian peace keeper to Syria for say a three years.
If Russia fails to place the 300,000 peace keepers into Syria. Russia loses its security council seat for three year. No veto to block any plan Kobi Annan plan for Syria.
I know it is just me, I like to put political incentives on the table.
I also like to place all the cards on the table.....again just me.
If Russia is still a military super power....placing 300,000 troops into Syria...is no big deal. Then again if Russia is a paper tiger....placing 300,000 troops and supporting them for 3 years is not within Russia's military abilities. Putin's Russia just stepped in a big opps and all the world will know it.
But hey you and Kobi Annan win either way. Russia can peace keep. Which is want you want. A major country to peace keep the civil war. Or if Russia cannot, it loses its veto on the security council. Then Kobi Annan can get his Syrian resolution passed. So it is a win win.
So what say you?
Now I might suggest you remember middle east history. The US for 10 year flew the Iraqi no fly zones protecting the Kurds and Shia from Sadam Hussien after the first Gulf war. And we were in Iraq with only 150,000 annually for the last 10 years. So I am giving Russia less time to get the peace keeping mission done and more manpower.....to do it with. I can be fair. ))
If you will write it up for a Irish government proposal. I will write it up for the White House to review and suggest to Kobi Annan.
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ttom500: I think that i have your answer Iseek.
Kobi Annan just came to the United States to seek help for the Syrian crisis. What help he is planning to ask for....is unknown at this time.
But I am just guessing....that with our military withdrawal from Iraq and having a 150,000 combat troops back home from the region. He just might be asking for US peace keepers for Syria.
Kobi Annan just came to the United States to seek help for the Syrian crisis. What help he is planning to ask for....is unknown at this time.
But I am just guessing....that with our military withdrawal from Iraq and having a 150,000 combat troops back home from the region. He just might be asking for US peace keepers for Syria.
Which would put your country and the West in general, in a very uncomfortable position, having encouraged the arming of the Rebels in Syria, OR at the very least turned a blind eye to the fact..
ttom500:
Politically for this Irish American President Obama ...)).....that is not a very good suggestion. The REP will scald him alive before the November election if he places peace keepers into Syria. He was the one to get us out of the Iraq, remember? He has Iran to deal with. And he just did a undeclared war in Libya. He has a very tight race ahead at best right now he has a 3 point lead on Romney. The chance that he will place US peace keeper in Syria.....is very small. Obama is a very cautious man.
Politically for this Irish American President Obama ...)).....that is not a very good suggestion. The REP will scald him alive before the November election if he places peace keepers into Syria. He was the one to get us out of the Iraq, remember? He has Iran to deal with. And he just did a undeclared war in Libya. He has a very tight race ahead at best right now he has a 3 point lead on Romney. The chance that he will place US peace keeper in Syria.....is very small. Obama is a very cautious man.
Yep, I have noticed that, the propaganda and lies have already started, like HE does shoot to kill lists, he instructed use of stuxnet virus etc, etc,
So I guess YOU are now asking me to understand that nothing but an attack on Syria and Iran will get your President reelected.. So I ask again HOW does this SAVE innocent lives in Syria?
ttom500:
But I wish to be fair here.
But I wish to be fair here.
REALLY?
ttom500:
So think that there is a counter proposal that the White House can offer to the Kobi Annan. But with your vast knowledge on the area and such a desire to help the Syrian people. I just decided to get your opinion.
So think that there is a counter proposal that the White House can offer to the Kobi Annan. But with your vast knowledge on the area and such a desire to help the Syrian people. I just decided to get your opinion.
The mans name IS KOFI..
ttom500:
Since the Russian are going to veto any security council resolution on
Syria....they have and Putin says that they will in the future. Why not pass a General Assembly resolution committing 300,000 Russian peace keeper to Syria for say a three years.
If Russia fails to place the 300,000 peace keepers into Syria. Russia loses its security council seat for three year. No veto to block any plan Kobi Annan plan for Syria.
REALLY? YOU actually BELIEVE that!!Since the Russian are going to veto any security council resolution on
Syria....they have and Putin says that they will in the future. Why not pass a General Assembly resolution committing 300,000 Russian peace keeper to Syria for say a three years.
If Russia fails to place the 300,000 peace keepers into Syria. Russia loses its security council seat for three year. No veto to block any plan Kobi Annan plan for Syria.
ttom500:
I know it is just me, I like to put political incentives on the table.
I also like to place all the cards on the table.....again just me.
I know it is just me, I like to put political incentives on the table.
I also like to place all the cards on the table.....again just me.
No, you like to avoid the question, you like to circumvent the actual debate, and you like to let the world know of your importance..
ttom500:
If Russia is still a military super power....placing 300,000 troops into Syria...is no big deal. Then again if Russia is a paper tiger....placing 300,000 troops and supporting them for 3 years is not within Russia's military abilities. Putin's Russia just stepped in a big opps and all the world will know it.
If Russia is still a military super power....placing 300,000 troops into Syria...is no big deal. Then again if Russia is a paper tiger....placing 300,000 troops and supporting them for 3 years is not within Russia's military abilities. Putin's Russia just stepped in a big opps and all the world will know it.
Jesus, You know, from American friends, I had been told that the loonies in Washington were doing their best to get the good ole cold war going again, but I didn't realize just how far back to the 50's you guys went...
ttom500:
But hey you and Kobi Annan win either way. Russia can peace keep. Which is want you want. A major country to peace keep the civil war. Or if Russia cannot, it loses its veto on the security council. Then Kobi Annan can get his Syrian resolution passed. So it is a win win.
So what say you?
But hey you and Kobi Annan win either way. Russia can peace keep. Which is want you want. A major country to peace keep the civil war. Or if Russia cannot, it loses its veto on the security council. Then Kobi Annan can get his Syrian resolution passed. So it is a win win.
So what say you?
Absolute Tripe, Russia losing Veto, just to begin with! Dear God, it REALLY sticks in your gullet, that there MIGHT be EVEN a slim chance of PEACE...
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But as you partly stated THE KEY PLAYERS must be both Mr Assad and co, plus the FSA plus those others with a dog in the fight, in other words six point plan must apply to all, to give Peace a chance.
No. The key point is #2, ""the Syrian government should immediately cease troop movements towards, and end the use of heavy weapons in, population centres, and begin pullback of military concentrations in and around population centres."" It matters not who backs what as long as this one is adhered to. Once this is done the plan can roll ahead.
However, as I stated, within a couple of days of saying they would adhere to the plan the government attacked. Thus, the plan was destroyed or at the very least, thrown off the track. FoS, those with a ;'dog in the fight' and Ms Rice did not attack, the Syrian government did.
It did happen.
There was one. Annan's plan. The one this thread is about and the one that ws broken by the Syrian government.
Within days the Syrian government threw the plan out the window. The key to making it work is to get them to adhere to it. Then work on the opposition so that they adhere to it.