Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
In perhaps one of the most vague declaration of War, heard in modern time. President Assad.....just declared war. Just from his statement, it totally unknown whom Syria just declared war on. I will quote.
"We live in a real state of war from all angles. When we are in war,
all policies, and all sides, and all sectors need to be directed at winning the war."
Now Washington has been saying for the last week....that Assad is 'losing control' and 'losing it'. Well he just declared war on "all angles". As much I would like to, I am not going to place words in President Assad's mouth to clarify his statement.
But if I was a young Syrian 2nd Lt standing on his tank....at the Turkish border, the Jordan border, the Suadi border....and I had heard Assad's TV message earlier in the day. That night when the Jordan, Turkish or Suadi border patrol unit went by.....I am loading up my
Tank cannon with a round and taking aim. I got my finger on the trigger ready to fire.
Assad's vague message to his stressed Alawite army.....shoot them before they shoot you. And it is a vague message to have border fights with Turkish, Jordan and Suadi mil units.It was carefully scripted for just this.
I will be very surprised if Syrian border incidents don't begin soon......
"We live in a real state of war from all angles. When we are in war,
all policies, and all sides, and all sectors need to be directed at winning the war."
Now Washington has been saying for the last week....that Assad is 'losing control' and 'losing it'. Well he just declared war on "all angles". As much I would like to, I am not going to place words in President Assad's mouth to clarify his statement.
But if I was a young Syrian 2nd Lt standing on his tank....at the Turkish border, the Jordan border, the Suadi border....and I had heard Assad's TV message earlier in the day. That night when the Jordan, Turkish or Suadi border patrol unit went by.....I am loading up my
Tank cannon with a round and taking aim. I got my finger on the trigger ready to fire.
Assad's vague message to his stressed Alawite army.....shoot them before they shoot you. And it is a vague message to have border fights with Turkish, Jordan and Suadi mil units.It was carefully scripted for just this.
I will be very surprised if Syrian border incidents don't begin soon......
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Hi TT, How do you do it? Every time I am about to go to bed you post one on me! 
I am being serious (don't mock), That statement really worried me to be honest, because I saw it as a call to arms! Which like the bombing by Rebels today, will lead ONLY to more civilian deaths, Seriously!
I don't think he is losing control, But as I said I do think MORE civilians will be caught up in what ever he has planned..
NO, I don't think so TT, I think it was a signal to Saudi,Qatar, Turkey and others. AS I said before: One thing about the mob gathering around one member, is that other mob members are thinking, that one day this could be them.. But again just IMHO
It's not beyond the bounds of reasonable doubt, I agree. However, Now think about it TT, When ever, was there a time when things (statements)etc, were straight forward in the M.E.?
Kind Regards
ttom500: In perhaps one of the most vague declaration of War, heard in modern time. President Assad.....just declared war. Just from his statement, it totally unknown whom Syria just declared war on. I will quote.
"We live in a real state of war from all angles. When we are in war,
all policies, and all sides, and all sectors need to be directed at winning the war."
"We live in a real state of war from all angles. When we are in war,
all policies, and all sides, and all sectors need to be directed at winning the war."
I am being serious (don't mock), That statement really worried me to be honest, because I saw it as a call to arms! Which like the bombing by Rebels today, will lead ONLY to more civilian deaths, Seriously!
ttom500:
Now Washington has been saying for the last week....that Assad is 'losing control' and 'losing it'. Well he just declared war on "all angles". As much I would like to, I am not going to place words in President Assad's mouth to clarify his statement.
Now Washington has been saying for the last week....that Assad is 'losing control' and 'losing it'. Well he just declared war on "all angles". As much I would like to, I am not going to place words in President Assad's mouth to clarify his statement.
I don't think he is losing control, But as I said I do think MORE civilians will be caught up in what ever he has planned..
ttom500:
But if I was a young Syrian 2nd Lt standing on his tank....at the Turkish border, the Jordan border, the Suadi border....and I had heard Assad's TV message earlier in the day. That night when the Jordan, Turkish or Suadi border patrol unit went by.....I am loading up my
Tank cannon with a round and taking aim. I got my finger on the trigger ready to fire.
Interesting, but I think said 2nd Lt has enough to worry about, this is a message to the powers around him not his troops.. IMHOBut if I was a young Syrian 2nd Lt standing on his tank....at the Turkish border, the Jordan border, the Suadi border....and I had heard Assad's TV message earlier in the day. That night when the Jordan, Turkish or Suadi border patrol unit went by.....I am loading up my
Tank cannon with a round and taking aim. I got my finger on the trigger ready to fire.
ttom500:
Assad's vague message to his stressed Alawite army.....shoot them before they shoot you. And it is a vague message to have border fights with Turkish, Jordan and Suadi mil units.It was carefully scripted for just this.
Assad's vague message to his stressed Alawite army.....shoot them before they shoot you. And it is a vague message to have border fights with Turkish, Jordan and Suadi mil units.It was carefully scripted for just this.
NO, I don't think so TT, I think it was a signal to Saudi,Qatar, Turkey and others. AS I said before: One thing about the mob gathering around one member, is that other mob members are thinking, that one day this could be them.. But again just IMHO
ttom500:
I will be very surprised if Syrian border incidents don't begin soon......
I will be very surprised if Syrian border incidents don't begin soon......
It's not beyond the bounds of reasonable doubt, I agree. However, Now think about it TT, When ever, was there a time when things (statements)etc, were straight forward in the M.E.?
Kind Regards
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The Evils of Humanitarian Wars - Iraq, Libya, Syria: We Have No Right to Play God
In a traditional cowboy movie, we know what to do: we look for the guy wearing the white hat to be sure who to cheer, and for the one wearing the black hat to know who deserves to die, preferably gruesomely, before the credits roll. If Hollywood learnt early to play on these most tribal of emotions, do we doubt that Washington's political script-writers are any less sophisticated?
In a traditional cowboy movie, we know what to do: we look for the guy wearing the white hat to be sure who to cheer, and for the one wearing the black hat to know who deserves to die, preferably gruesomely, before the credits roll. If Hollywood learnt early to play on these most tribal of emotions, do we doubt that Washington's political script-writers are any less sophisticated?
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Boban1: The Evils of Humanitarian Wars - Iraq, Libya, Syria: We Have No Right to Play God
In a traditional cowboy movie, we know what to do: we look for the guy wearing the white hat to be sure who to cheer, and for the one wearing the black hat to know who deserves to die, preferably gruesomely, before the credits roll. If Hollywood learnt early to play on these most tribal of emotions, do we doubt that Washington's political script-writers are any less sophisticated?
In a traditional cowboy movie, we know what to do: we look for the guy wearing the white hat to be sure who to cheer, and for the one wearing the black hat to know who deserves to die, preferably gruesomely, before the credits roll. If Hollywood learnt early to play on these most tribal of emotions, do we doubt that Washington's political script-writers are any less sophisticated?
Excellent piece of writing, Thanks again Boban
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Taking in to account my last two posts here #348& #349. A friend living abroad just asked 2 very important questions:
(1). Is the purpose of the Kofi Annan emergency meeting to start a peace process or to further the cause to Oust Assad ?
AND THE BIG ONE:
(2). Considering what's happening with the Saudi King's call to arms and the fact that Turkey is moving large numbers of troops to the border with Syria, Is there an attack planned against Syria on the Eve of the Annan meeting / shortly after the meeting if still in deadlock?
(1). Is the purpose of the Kofi Annan emergency meeting to start a peace process or to further the cause to Oust Assad ?
AND THE BIG ONE:
(2). Considering what's happening with the Saudi King's call to arms and the fact that Turkey is moving large numbers of troops to the border with Syria, Is there an attack planned against Syria on the Eve of the Annan meeting / shortly after the meeting if still in deadlock?
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Saudi forces heading for Syrian border.
An Israeli source reports that Saudi forces are heading to the south East border of Syria, giving rise to fears that Nato proxy militaries are readying to strike..
Syria caught in cross fire of extremists
This is the article from the Sunday Times which identifies extremists are within Syria and in effect the Syrian government and forces are now defending the county on many fronts.
Gaddafi’s ousters offer arms and finances to oust Assad
Will we see the Al Qaeda flag fly high upon the street poles in Syria like we witnessed in Libya’s Benghazi ? It has been confirmed that leaders in Libya have given arms, Finance and allowing Libyans to join the Rebels via the Turkish border .
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Saudi forces heading for Syrian border.
An Israeli source reports that Saudi forces are heading to the south East border of Syria, giving rise to fears that Nato proxy militaries are readying to strike..
Syria caught in cross fire of extremists
This is the article from the Sunday Times which identifies extremists are within Syria and in effect the Syrian government and forces are now defending the county on many fronts.
Gaddafi’s ousters offer arms and finances to oust Assad
Will we see the Al Qaeda flag fly high upon the street poles in Syria like we witnessed in Libya’s Benghazi ? It has been confirmed that leaders in Libya have given arms, Finance and allowing Libyans to join the Rebels via the Turkish border .
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Boban1: Remember what I said about Kofi and his plan...
YES Sir, Indeed I do, that was as far back, as when I started this thread.
I just didn't fully understand what you meant, I SURE DO NOW! Boban..
Kind Regards
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Could it be since Assad is at "war with all angles" that he sees every Sunni Syrian as a angle to be war with?
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Hi TT,
No it's because of the US/NATO/UN proxies heading to both the Northern and Southern borders of Syria. Along with the Libyan proxy sending arms and finance to the rebels...
The last card has been played now TT, cover is off the mirror and everybody can see just who is standing behind the Rebels....
Kind Regards
ttom500: Could it be since Assad is at "war with all angles" that he sees every Sunni Syrian as a angle to be war with?
No it's because of the US/NATO/UN proxies heading to both the Northern and Southern borders of Syria. Along with the Libyan proxy sending arms and finance to the rebels...
The last card has been played now TT, cover is off the mirror and everybody can see just who is standing behind the Rebels....
Kind Regards
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Iseek: Hi TT,
No it's because of the US/NATO/UN proxies heading to both the Northern and Southern borders of Syria. Along with the Libyan proxy sending arms and finance to the rebels...
The last card has been played now TT, cover is off the mirror and everybody can see just who is standing behind the Rebels....Kind Regards
No it's because of the US/NATO/UN proxies heading to both the Northern and Southern borders of Syria. Along with the Libyan proxy sending arms and finance to the rebels...
The last card has been played now TT, cover is off the mirror and everybody can see just who is standing behind the Rebels....Kind Regards
Well I bet that not one NATO (other than now Turkish) troop ever steps into Syria. That this is going to be a Arab League and Turkey affair when it comes to Assad's Syria.
You have NATO forces (French)in Lebanon ...doing UN Peace keeping.
So NATO is in the region. But they will not do much in Syria, that
you can see.......
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Latest news on Annan meeting in Geneva
A former boss I worked for and respected greatly, would often say “meetings are for keeping minutes and wasting hours”. Many will take this attitude to the Special meeting today in Geneva.
It appears (thus far) that all that has been achieved is to reiterate what had been decided a long time ago. The latest news suggests that this meeting was in the hope that Russia and China could have their mind/Opinions on Syria changed, this coupled with the final statement by Mr Hague suggests also that the main members other than Russia/ China are less than pleased with the outcome.
Mr Annan stated the following is the result of today’s meeting:
• Syrian Government and the Rebels MUST meet to discuss the
current situation.
• An immediate ceasefire must happen
• Full humanitarian access must be given immediately
• A transition Government must be created between the current
government and members of the Rebel opposition.
• There must be free and fair elections in Syria.
• A removal of armed groups and the reintroduction of law.
• All government institutions must perform within bounds of
International law.
• Conflict must be resolved by peaceful means.
• All parties attending (today’s meeting) are opposed to
militarization of the conflict.
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Although no timeframe for this transition was suggested nor volunteered by Mr Annan, in a later interview it was stated to be completed within the next year.
END………
A former boss I worked for and respected greatly, would often say “meetings are for keeping minutes and wasting hours”. Many will take this attitude to the Special meeting today in Geneva.
It appears (thus far) that all that has been achieved is to reiterate what had been decided a long time ago. The latest news suggests that this meeting was in the hope that Russia and China could have their mind/Opinions on Syria changed, this coupled with the final statement by Mr Hague suggests also that the main members other than Russia/ China are less than pleased with the outcome.
Mr Annan stated the following is the result of today’s meeting:
• Syrian Government and the Rebels MUST meet to discuss the
current situation.
• An immediate ceasefire must happen
• Full humanitarian access must be given immediately
• A transition Government must be created between the current
government and members of the Rebel opposition.
• There must be free and fair elections in Syria.
• A removal of armed groups and the reintroduction of law.
• All government institutions must perform within bounds of
International law.
• Conflict must be resolved by peaceful means.
• All parties attending (today’s meeting) are opposed to
militarization of the conflict.
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Although no timeframe for this transition was suggested nor volunteered by Mr Annan, in a later interview it was stated to be completed within the next year.
END………
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Kofi Annan met with Russian, US, China, UK and others to save his most recent peace plan for Syria. This plan unlike his first, called
for Assad to step down.
With that term in the plan, Russia quickly rejected it. So any
UN sponsored peace. with such a term for Assad removal is unsuitable
for the Russian that have decided to back Assad. Assad of course see enemies at all angles and sectors......
Except from Russia and Iran. There Assad is the surrogate and proxie dictator willing to use Russian HIND gun ship on his people and to let Iranian Revolutionary Guard officers to control Alawite units in the field.
So just like Qdaffi that brought in African mercs, Assad has brought in Iranian and Russian mercs. Sure call then anti terrorist commandos or technical military assistance. But the pure definition of a merc is a soldier that comes into a civil war to render assistance to one of the combatants.
Sure tell us that Amhmenajada and Putin will not act outside of their countries with their military forces as mercenary. Just disguised as a anti terrorist commandos or disguised a technical support. Even if the Iranian sent in is working a radio in a technical support role, he has freed up a Syrian soldier for Assad to use to put down the Sunni rebellion.
So surely Assad is using mercs in this conflict. That just like Qdaffi African mercs had little military command and control over them. Did the Russian counter terrorist units operation help to quell the number of atrocities in the country after deployment? If they were truly
anti terrorist, one wold think that. But no, since their deployment, atrocitied have only grown in number the deaths.
Please don't tell me that Russian Spetnaz units don't know their stuff when it comes to counter terrorism. Remember Chechyna for a moment. What tactics in Chechyna did Russian counter terrorist units take?
Mass murder of any that stood against them. Putin likely sent in
Spetnaz units that had a long hisotory in deal with such local communities. Putin was the KGB commander of both Chechnyan conflicts.
So with the UN observers contained. Russian Spetnaz units and Iranian Revolutionary Guard led Alawite hit team have free reign in the country to mass murder as many Sunni as they can find. Including women and children.
The UN and the Hague's International War Crime Tribunal should start investigations into both Russian and Iranian deployments into Syria.
Using Sunni living witnesses to the atrocities to bring Russian and Iranian parties to the court to face crimes against humanity charges.
Once they are proven....to bring President Putin and President Ahmenajada to the court to face the charges just like Serbian President Milosovic is facing.
But with Russia holding the 'oil card' over European heads.....we know that will not happen.......
for Assad to step down.
With that term in the plan, Russia quickly rejected it. So any
UN sponsored peace. with such a term for Assad removal is unsuitable
for the Russian that have decided to back Assad. Assad of course see enemies at all angles and sectors......
Except from Russia and Iran. There Assad is the surrogate and proxie dictator willing to use Russian HIND gun ship on his people and to let Iranian Revolutionary Guard officers to control Alawite units in the field.
So just like Qdaffi that brought in African mercs, Assad has brought in Iranian and Russian mercs. Sure call then anti terrorist commandos or technical military assistance. But the pure definition of a merc is a soldier that comes into a civil war to render assistance to one of the combatants.
Sure tell us that Amhmenajada and Putin will not act outside of their countries with their military forces as mercenary. Just disguised as a anti terrorist commandos or disguised a technical support. Even if the Iranian sent in is working a radio in a technical support role, he has freed up a Syrian soldier for Assad to use to put down the Sunni rebellion.
So surely Assad is using mercs in this conflict. That just like Qdaffi African mercs had little military command and control over them. Did the Russian counter terrorist units operation help to quell the number of atrocities in the country after deployment? If they were truly
anti terrorist, one wold think that. But no, since their deployment, atrocitied have only grown in number the deaths.
Please don't tell me that Russian Spetnaz units don't know their stuff when it comes to counter terrorism. Remember Chechyna for a moment. What tactics in Chechyna did Russian counter terrorist units take?
Mass murder of any that stood against them. Putin likely sent in
Spetnaz units that had a long hisotory in deal with such local communities. Putin was the KGB commander of both Chechnyan conflicts.
So with the UN observers contained. Russian Spetnaz units and Iranian Revolutionary Guard led Alawite hit team have free reign in the country to mass murder as many Sunni as they can find. Including women and children.
The UN and the Hague's International War Crime Tribunal should start investigations into both Russian and Iranian deployments into Syria.
Using Sunni living witnesses to the atrocities to bring Russian and Iranian parties to the court to face crimes against humanity charges.
Once they are proven....to bring President Putin and President Ahmenajada to the court to face the charges just like Serbian President Milosovic is facing.
But with Russia holding the 'oil card' over European heads.....we know that will not happen.......
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Iseek: Latest news on Annan meeting in Geneva
A former boss I worked for and respected greatly, would often say “meetings are for keeping minutes and wasting hours”. Many will take this attitude to the Special meeting today in Geneva.
It appears (thus far) that all that has been achieved is to reiterate what had been decided a long time ago. The latest news suggests that this meeting was in the hope that Russia and China could have their mind/Opinions on Syria changed, this coupled with the final statement by Mr Hague suggests also that the main members other than Russia/ China are less than pleased with the outcome.
Mr Annan stated the following is the result of today’s meeting:
• Syrian Government and the Rebels MUST meet to discuss the
current situation.
• An immediate ceasefire must happen
• Full humanitarian access must be given immediately
• A transition Government must be created between the current
government and members of the Rebel opposition.
• There must be free and fair elections in Syria.
• A removal of armed groups and the reintroduction of law.
• All government institutions must perform within bounds of
International law.
• Conflict must be resolved by peaceful means.
• All parties attending (today’s meeting) are opposed to
militarization of the conflict.
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Although no timeframe for this transition was suggested nor volunteered by Mr Annan, in a later interview it was stated to be completed within the next year.END………
A former boss I worked for and respected greatly, would often say “meetings are for keeping minutes and wasting hours”. Many will take this attitude to the Special meeting today in Geneva.
It appears (thus far) that all that has been achieved is to reiterate what had been decided a long time ago. The latest news suggests that this meeting was in the hope that Russia and China could have their mind/Opinions on Syria changed, this coupled with the final statement by Mr Hague suggests also that the main members other than Russia/ China are less than pleased with the outcome.
Mr Annan stated the following is the result of today’s meeting:
• Syrian Government and the Rebels MUST meet to discuss the
current situation.
• An immediate ceasefire must happen
• Full humanitarian access must be given immediately
• A transition Government must be created between the current
government and members of the Rebel opposition.
• There must be free and fair elections in Syria.
• A removal of armed groups and the reintroduction of law.
• All government institutions must perform within bounds of
International law.
• Conflict must be resolved by peaceful means.
• All parties attending (today’s meeting) are opposed to
militarization of the conflict.
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Although no timeframe for this transition was suggested nor volunteered by Mr Annan, in a later interview it was stated to be completed within the next year.END………
Funny how you failed to include Annan term that Assad step down and the Russian blocking the motion....Iseek.
I quote for this article by John Helphrin AP
"Annan seemed confident of his plan a few days ago, but Russia has refused to back a provision that would call for Assad to step down to make way for a unity government, a stance that would torpedo the entire deal."
news.yahoo.com/mood-pessimistic-on-syrian-peace-plans-125158520.html
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After the Annan Special Meeting in Geneva
Hillary Clinton spoke to press, explaining in her view, what were the agreements between by the parties at the special meeting.
• Syrian constitution must be reviewed
• The US and others will convey the plan to the rebels next week
at the friends of Syria meeting in Cairo.
• The west and media must ramp up the pressure against the Syrian
regime.
• US to press for more action / sanctions against Regime.
• US will seek more sanctions against Assad regime at upcoming
UNSC meeting.
• US to seek Chapter seven, if transitional process not adhered
to.
• It is the US responsibility to use leverage to ensure that
Annan plan goes ahead, we will do all we can and I am confident
that others will also.
• Diplomacy is not easy and has no guarantees , we gave Mr Annan
the road map and encouragement to do what has to be done .
• US by no means naive about this situation, it is necessary to
put pressure on the Assad regime to ensure that the plan is
followed.
In reply to a question / accusation by a journalist, claiming that the meeting failed to get any further solution to the situation. Mrs Clinton said the following:
• Kofi Annan has been working very hard to find a solution to the
conflict in Syria, now there is a clear and important step
forward to bring in a transitional Government .
When asked directly about what part Assad would play in this transition Government, her reply was that President Assad would NOT fit the condition set out by the agreement, ending by saying:
• Mrs Clinton said that HE (President Assad) HAS TO GO…
Again, the above is an overview of the interview by Mrs Clinton after the completion of the special meeting on Syria.
END……….
After the Annan Special Meeting in Geneva
Hillary Clinton spoke to press, explaining in her view, what were the agreements between by the parties at the special meeting.
• Syrian constitution must be reviewed
• The US and others will convey the plan to the rebels next week
at the friends of Syria meeting in Cairo.
• The west and media must ramp up the pressure against the Syrian
regime.
• US to press for more action / sanctions against Regime.
• US will seek more sanctions against Assad regime at upcoming
UNSC meeting.
• US to seek Chapter seven, if transitional process not adhered
to.
• It is the US responsibility to use leverage to ensure that
Annan plan goes ahead, we will do all we can and I am confident
that others will also.
• Diplomacy is not easy and has no guarantees , we gave Mr Annan
the road map and encouragement to do what has to be done .
• US by no means naive about this situation, it is necessary to
put pressure on the Assad regime to ensure that the plan is
followed.
In reply to a question / accusation by a journalist, claiming that the meeting failed to get any further solution to the situation. Mrs Clinton said the following:
• Kofi Annan has been working very hard to find a solution to the
conflict in Syria, now there is a clear and important step
forward to bring in a transitional Government .
When asked directly about what part Assad would play in this transition Government, her reply was that President Assad would NOT fit the condition set out by the agreement, ending by saying:
• Mrs Clinton said that HE (President Assad) HAS TO GO…
Again, the above is an overview of the interview by Mrs Clinton after the completion of the special meeting on Syria.
END……….
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Iseek: LATEST
After the Annan Special Meeting in Geneva
Hillary Clinton spoke to press, explaining in her view, what were the agreements between by the parties at the special meeting.
• Syrian constitution must be reviewed
• The US and others will convey the plan to the rebels next week
at the friends of Syria meeting in Cairo.
• The west and media must ramp up the pressure against the Syrian
regime.
• US to press for more action / sanctions against Regime.
• US will seek more sanctions against Assad regime at upcoming
UNSC meeting.
• US to seek Chapter seven, if transitional process not adhered
to.
• It is the US responsibility to use leverage to ensure that
Annan plan goes ahead, we will do all we can and I am confident
that others will also.
• Diplomacy is not easy and has no guarantees , we gave Mr Annan
the road map and encouragement to do what has to be done .
• US by no means naive about this situation, it is necessary to
put pressure on the Assad regime to ensure that the plan is
followed.In reply to a question / accusation by a journalist, claiming that the meeting failed to get any further solution to the situation. Mrs Clinton said the following:
• Kofi Annan has been working very hard to find a solution to the
conflict in Syria, now there is a clear and important step
forward to bring in a transitional Government .
When asked directly about what part Assad would play in this transition Government, her reply was that President Assad would NOT fit the condition set out by the agreement, ending by saying:
• Mrs Clinton said that HE (President Assad) HAS TO GO…Again, the above is an overview of the interview by Mrs Clinton after the completion of the special meeting on Syria.END……….
After the Annan Special Meeting in Geneva
Hillary Clinton spoke to press, explaining in her view, what were the agreements between by the parties at the special meeting.
• Syrian constitution must be reviewed
• The US and others will convey the plan to the rebels next week
at the friends of Syria meeting in Cairo.
• The west and media must ramp up the pressure against the Syrian
regime.
• US to press for more action / sanctions against Regime.
• US will seek more sanctions against Assad regime at upcoming
UNSC meeting.
• US to seek Chapter seven, if transitional process not adhered
to.
• It is the US responsibility to use leverage to ensure that
Annan plan goes ahead, we will do all we can and I am confident
that others will also.
• Diplomacy is not easy and has no guarantees , we gave Mr Annan
the road map and encouragement to do what has to be done .
• US by no means naive about this situation, it is necessary to
put pressure on the Assad regime to ensure that the plan is
followed.In reply to a question / accusation by a journalist, claiming that the meeting failed to get any further solution to the situation. Mrs Clinton said the following:
• Kofi Annan has been working very hard to find a solution to the
conflict in Syria, now there is a clear and important step
forward to bring in a transitional Government .
When asked directly about what part Assad would play in this transition Government, her reply was that President Assad would NOT fit the condition set out by the agreement, ending by saying:
• Mrs Clinton said that HE (President Assad) HAS TO GO…Again, the above is an overview of the interview by Mrs Clinton after the completion of the special meeting on Syria.END……….
My God, why am I not surprised
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ttom500: Funny how you failed to include Annan term that Assad step down and the Russian blocking the motion....Iseek.
I quote for this article by John Helphrin AP
"Annan seemed confident of his plan a few days ago, but Russia has refused to back a provision that would call for Assad to step down to make way for a unity government, a stance that would torpedo the entire deal."
news.yahoo.com/mood-pessimistic-on-syrian-peace-plans-125158520.html
I quote for this article by John Helphrin AP
"Annan seemed confident of his plan a few days ago, but Russia has refused to back a provision that would call for Assad to step down to make way for a unity government, a stance that would torpedo the entire deal."
news.yahoo.com/mood-pessimistic-on-syrian-peace-plans-125158520.html
I wasn't aware of it! I didn't have the benefit of the first few seconds of the statement nor the backing of a news agency with prior knowledge of the meeting format or minutes.
As I stated at the end of my post:
Iseek:
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Above is an overview of what was stated by Mr Annan in what he described as the transitional solution to the crises in Syria.
Kind Regards
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Boban1: My God, why am I not surprised
I can't say I am either Boban, I also noted the total LACK of mention of attacks by Rebels, Christians, Alawite, Sunni being held in areas by Rebels in an effort to stop attacks by Government forces etc,etc.
But then, to be Honest I really didn't expect to hear anything but the crimes of the regime, the desired ouster of Assad and how Russia are the enemy..
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HI again TT,
AGAIN, proof?????? And if that were to happen wouldn’t it rather put US/NATO proxies in the same seat as those you claim should be sent to the ICC….
AS FOR statements from Sunni witness’s , perhaps you should pay a little more attention to what is really happening (see post no. 348 articles 2,4) (post no.349, articles 1&2) (post no. 351 articles 2&3) and post ( no. 352.. articles1, 2,3,4&5 ) RATHER than making things up to suit your views!!!
Yep, Proxies along with Rebels will continue to KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS and Assad’s regime will do exactly THE SAME, while WE all wait for the desires of US/NATO to OUST ASSAD...
Kind Regards
HI again TT,
ttom500:
The UN and the Hague's International War Crime Tribunal should start investigations into both Russian and Iranian deployments into Syria.
Using Sunni living witnesses to the atrocities to bring Russian and Iranian parties to the court to face crimes against humanity charges.
Once they are proven....to bring President Putin and President Ahmenajada to the court to face the charges just like Serbian President Milosovic is facing.
The UN and the Hague's International War Crime Tribunal should start investigations into both Russian and Iranian deployments into Syria.
Using Sunni living witnesses to the atrocities to bring Russian and Iranian parties to the court to face crimes against humanity charges.
Once they are proven....to bring President Putin and President Ahmenajada to the court to face the charges just like Serbian President Milosovic is facing.
AGAIN, proof?????? And if that were to happen wouldn’t it rather put US/NATO proxies in the same seat as those you claim should be sent to the ICC….
AS FOR statements from Sunni witness’s , perhaps you should pay a little more attention to what is really happening (see post no. 348 articles 2,4) (post no.349, articles 1&2) (post no. 351 articles 2&3) and post ( no. 352.. articles1, 2,3,4&5 ) RATHER than making things up to suit your views!!!
ttom500:
But with Russia holding the 'oil card' over European heads.....we know that will not happen.......
But with Russia holding the 'oil card' over European heads.....we know that will not happen.......
Yep, Proxies along with Rebels will continue to KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS and Assad’s regime will do exactly THE SAME, while WE all wait for the desires of US/NATO to OUST ASSAD...
Kind Regards
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Downed Turkish jet was shadowed by Nato Aircraft
The second jet belonged to a NATO member but further information on its country of origin has not been provided by official sources, Republican People Party (CHP) deputy Orhan Düzgün said.
Stratfor on how Rebel claims are UNTRUE
"most of the opposition's more serious claims have turned out to be grossly exaggerated or simply untrue, thereby revealing more about the opposition's weaknesses than the level of instability inside the Syrian regime."
War clouds over greater Middle East..
All the major U.S. media – Fox News, Time, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Wall Street Journal – have reported that CIA officers in southern Turkey are ‘coordinating’ arms shipments from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to the Syrian rebels, especially, it would appear, to armed Islamic groups. Needless to say, arming the opposition is undercutting Kofi Annan’s peace plan for Syria.
Syrian opposition rejects new international plan
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I have no problem,I was just pointing out that your statement was (is) incorrect.
I pointed out an incorrect statement, big deal.
What was inane? Your statement being incorrect?
See, this is the problem. The US (CIA) are there trying to stop the weapons falling into the hands of Al-Qaeda, whereas, you said the US were giving them to Al-Qaeda. You can see the difference, I hope?
Either way won’t the Rebels still get the weapons? And isn’t that playing a part in said Rebels actually getting weapons?Kind Regards
The rebels, yes, Al-Qaeda, hopefully not, after all, that is what the CIA (US) are trying to prevent.