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Dec 20, 2018 4:02 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234: Will the greatestb democratic expermiment in the Middle East be allowed to survive this depends to a large extent on Trump. Why:-
Dilemma

04.12.2018

Syria

War and Imperialism Borders and Immigration

The Kurdish Dilemma

By
Edward Hunt

Will the most promising democratic experiment in the Middle East be allowed to survive? The answer increasingly depends on the geopolitical whims of the Trump administration.

Fighters in the Kurdish YPJ (Women’s Protection Units) in 2015. Kurdishstruggle / Flickr

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Throughout the war against ISIS, US military officials have repeatedly praised Kurdish-led militias in Syria for their efforts on the battlefield.

“They have an indomitable will,” Maj. Gen. James Jarrard, the commander of Special Operations against the Islamic State, gushed last year. “They have been ferocious fighters and excellent leaders and pretty amazing tacticians.”

This past February, Gen. Joseph Votel, the commander of US Central Command, told a congressional committee that the Kurdish-led fighters constitute “the most effective force on the ground in Syria against ISIS.”

Since the Islamic State began its reign of terror in Iraq and Syria in 2014, the Kurdish-led forces — consisting of two main groups, the People’s Protection Units (YPG) and the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) — have indeed played a central role in rolling back ISIS’s gains. But what’s surprising about the constant praise from US officials is that the Kurds are also fighting to lead a leftist social revolution in the northern region of Rojava — hardly the kind of project likely to meet the approval of US policymakers.

Unsurprisingly, not everyone in elite circles agrees that the US military should be allying with the Kurdish revolutionaries. When the partnership first began to take shape, the Wall Street Journal warned about “America’s Marxist Allies Against ISIS.”

Last year, former US diplomat Stuart Jones implored Congress to make sure that ongoing US involvement with the Kurdish-led forces “does not create a political monopoly for a political organization that is really hostile to … US values and ideology.”

In Washington, a big concern is that the Kurdish revolutionaries are carving out an anticapitalist space that firmly rejects the basic premises of the US-led global order. Another major reservation is that the Kurdish revolutionaries have historic ties to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which the US government has classified as a terrorist organization. While US military officials repeatedly deny any ongoing connection between the Kurdish-led forces and the PKK, it’s widely presumed in Washington that the YPG is a PKK affiliate.

With ISIS now facing total defeat in Iraq and Syria, the conflict over the US’s relationship has come to a head: should Washington continue to support the Kurdish-led forces, or should it leave them to confront the many hostile forces trying to destroy their revolution?
What do you think?
Edward Hunt from Jacobin?confused
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Dec 20, 2018 4:14 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
With ISIS now facing total defeat in Iraq and Syria NOT LIKELY

Both America and the Saudi, been feeding ISL, remember McCain well they been feeding them long before he did.
al-Qaida;
The origins of al-Qaeda can be traced to the Soviet War in Afghanistan ... In addition to American aid, Hekmatyar was the recipient of Saudi aid as well.

The mujahideen groups were backed primarily by the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, making it a Cold War proxy war, 2,000,000 civilians were killed and millions of Afghans fled the country as refugees mostly to Pakistan and Iran

The Taliban were largely founded by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence beginning in 1994; the I.S.I. used the Taliban to establish a regime in Afghanistan which would be favorable to Pakistan, as they were trying to gain strategic depth.
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Dec 20, 2018 4:57 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Conrad73: Edward Hunt from Jacobin?
Edward Hunt - Foreign Policy In Focus
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Dec 20, 2018 9:09 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
Limun
LimunLimunAbidos, Central Serbia Serbia6 Threads 1 Polls 1,923 Posts
I`ve been ignored by Chinese Santa

this hurts...grin
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Dec 20, 2018 9:23 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Limun: I`ve been ignored by Chinese Santa

this hurts...
He only delivers to Asians, work share contractgrin
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Dec 20, 2018 9:28 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234: The immrddiate withdrawal of 2500 American troops, from Syria, leaves the Kurds abandoned again.
Nobody in their right mind, with a rudimentary education in American history, would ever trust America to keep a treaty.
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Dec 20, 2018 9:37 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
Len05
Len05Len05Antwerp, Antwerpen Belgium33 Threads 11 Polls 972 Posts
They will be stationed at the Southern border?

The only UN peace mission in Syria is at the Golan heights.

It was time this USA led invasion into Syria was stopped.
Hopefully the Turkey led invasion also stops.
Hopefully the Russian led invasion also stops.

And hopefully Syria can do some elections soon.
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Dec 20, 2018 10:46 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
Len05: They will be stationed at the Southern border?

The only UN peace mission in Syria is at the Golan heights.

It was time this USA led invasion into Syria was stopped.
Hopefully the Turkey led invasion also stops.
Hopefully the Russian led invasion also stops.

And hopefully Syria can do some elections soon.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
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Dec 20, 2018 10:49 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
Limun: I`ve been ignored by Chinese Santa

this hurts...
that's what you get under that damn Chinese Social Credit-system!
Not even Coal!mumbling grin
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Dec 20, 2018 10:52 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234: Edward Hunt - Foreign Policy In Focus
also writes extensively for the Leftwing-Magazine Jacobin,a Magazine that sends a Thrill up Chomsky's Leg!

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Dec 20, 2018 11:21 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Conrad73: also writes extensively for the Leftwing-Magazine Jacobin,a Magazine that sends a Thrill up Chomsky's Leg!

I'm eclectic in my reading I like Chomsky as wellgrin
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Dec 20, 2018 5:35 PM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Jim Mattis has resigned citing irreconcilable differences with Trump , pity he had not considered what Trump campaigned on before he took he job on .
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Dec 20, 2018 5:45 PM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
aries1234: The immrddiate withdrawal of 2500 American troops, from Syria, leaves the Kurds abandoned again.
It’s about time we pulled out if there and most other hot spots in the world. Afghanistan is next. We can save a lot of money. Let the U.N. Take care of these issues.
If we can’t build a wall on our southern border maybe our troops place there are a better answer. Bring back the draft here too so that young people again can learn needed skills to and follow up after discharge in college with uncle sam’s help. USA USA USA !

wave
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Dec 20, 2018 6:02 PM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
galrads: Bring back the draft here too so that young people again can learn needed skills to and follow up after discharge in college with uncle sam’s help
Oh hell no! And keep dying and keep paying for other countries and create more refugees

scold MoFo's are on their own
Let them whip out the prayer mats and put their a*ses in the air
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Dec 20, 2018 6:03 PM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
galrads: It’s about time we pulled out if there and most other hot spots in the world. Afghanistan is next. We can save a lot of money. Let the U.N. Take care of these issues.
If we can’t build a wall on our southern border maybe our troops place there are a better answer. Bring back the draft here too so that young people again can learn needed skills to and follow up after discharge in college with uncle sam’s help. USA USA USA !
yeh get lostlaugh
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Dec 24, 2018 12:27 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
LovingAAA
LovingAAALovingAAAPattaaya, Central Thailand Thailand12 Threads 11 Polls 79 Posts
Probably, the President is too rushed to tell in public.
Then, he suppose to announce all necessary informations to the public world.
Formal detail always necessary than media talk, right?
scold
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Dec 24, 2018 3:10 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
let the muslims fight their own fight. If they want to destroy each other, it's fine by me, but don't come to us, crying for help.
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Dec 24, 2018 5:38 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
tresholder: Shows how much Trump is in bed with Russia.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 24, 2018 5:40 AM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234: The immrddiate withdrawal of 2500 American troops, from Syria, leaves the Kurds abandoned again.
yep,2500 Troops,of which most aren't Combat-troops would sure make a difference!confused dunno doh
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Dec 24, 2018 12:51 PM CST Kurds deserted by the Americans.
aries1234: The immrddiate withdrawal of 2500 American troops, from Syria, leaves the Kurds abandoned again.
Correction;
Kurds deserted by Donald Trump.

The decision to pull 2500 troops out of Syria was made by one man and one man only. It was not put to a vote or discussed with military advisers. It was an emotional, knee jerk reaction by an unstable man who has been entrusted with way more power than he has even the slightest ability to manage.
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