Sinead O'Connor condemns Irish State (245)
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Nules: In Ireland he was still classed as a minor, he was under the age of 18!
So the authorities let him down, by not taking better care of him, but I don’t blame the staff that were looking after him on ground level as they are ran off their feet trying their best, paid peanuts while the big shots up at a higher level and better pay push where the funds go! So someone loses out and sadly this poor lad is the result!!
The money is all going to the EMF who forced us into a bailout....So the authorities let him down, by not taking better care of him, but I don’t blame the staff that were looking after him on ground level as they are ran off their feet trying their best, paid peanuts while the big shots up at a higher level and better pay push where the funds go! So someone loses out and sadly this poor lad is the result!!
And, as you said there, the most vulnerable are now paying for it through poorly funded services that they so desperately need...
That said, it's pretty bad in Ireland but we tend to be a kinder nation.... the UK is far worse of a mess...and no where as kind towards each other..so I'm hoping this will effect a change and start mental health of our young people a priority..it's been desperately needed for decades...anyway, that's another topic for another day...
Hope all's well with you Nules...
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blathin: maybe you should learn what she went through as a child and try to understand she was dealt a very difficult hand so this is an even greater tradegy...and.... while you're at it learn a bit of compassion...
I truly truly hope there are no mother's on here who've lost a child to suicide becuase you are pretty much saying that they were the reason the child took their own life. it's never that simple but you don't sound like you're too bothered about the nuances ...
And there, but for the grace of /god/divinity/sheer good luck, go you.......it could so easily be you reading this a father who's lost their child to suicide....
Once again .you are showing yourself to lack any sort of humanity, compassion or gentleness towards your fellow human beings....
No I’m not . I have every sympathy for the boy . I truly truly hope there are no mother's on here who've lost a child to suicide becuase you are pretty much saying that they were the reason the child took their own life. it's never that simple but you don't sound like you're too bothered about the nuances ...
And there, but for the grace of /god/divinity/sheer good luck, go you.......it could so easily be you reading this a father who's lost their child to suicide....
Once again .you are showing yourself to lack any sort of humanity, compassion or gentleness towards your fellow human beings....
He didn’t deserve a mother like that .
My argument has been that blaming the authorities is just diverting the blame for which she had some , if not all the responsibility for .
The child should have been taken away long before his mental illness began.
I could see from her interviews she wasn’t a stable mother & I hope some action will be taken to help her other children before we see another go the same way .
Her coming out to the press , in my eyes is an admission of guilt .
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Youcannow: Unlike you , I’m not blaming anyone until the full facts of the inquest are revealed.
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blathin: You blamed "bad parenting" ....so case closed according to you...
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bodleing2: Clearly his mo. He likes to be the centre of a thread and he does this by posting inflammatory posts. Otherwise known as trolling.
But getting back to the op. For a parent to lose a child is truly heartbreaking. When the loss is due to suicide I cant imagine the anguish for the parents, it must be unbearable.
And openly gossiping about someone in such a meanspirited manner, where they can read it, is perfectly ok then is it?But getting back to the op. For a parent to lose a child is truly heartbreaking. When the loss is due to suicide I cant imagine the anguish for the parents, it must be unbearable.
Just in case you're struggling to answer that... it's just as bad , in fact that's even nastier...it's ganging up on someone, .which makes you no better...
So much for all your co[y and paste "words of wisdom BS"....
if you've something to say to someone say to them directly, give them the right of reply.....not this group passive-aggressive crap you seem to go on with when you want to take a swipe at someone...tis the lowest form of nasty ....and it seems an all too regular feature on the forums as well...
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Geno2809: Mental health care in ireland is treated like the poor relation of the HSE. Funds are constantly being cut and facilities are terrible.
It is almost impossible to get mental health care for anyone u18 here.
I didn't know that Nules....I'd kind of assumed the U18's would be first in line..god that's so sad to hear...so sad..and so hard for the parents trying to look after a child who's on the edge...It is almost impossible to get mental health care for anyone u18 here.
if I had my way we'd be downing tools and out on the streets protesting the billions being paid to the EMF anddemanding the government put the money back into our healthcare and other social infrastructure that seems to have taken a nose dive in the last 10 years..if not 20..
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Youcannow: Suicide watch doesn’t mean someone is with you 24/7 .
They just keep a close eye & see any change in behaviour.
Are you familiar with the Irish health system then and the details of how it works.??They just keep a close eye & see any change in behaviour.
dont' confuse Irish hospital system with the UK system where, once you're breathing, you're kicked to the kerb
And don't confuse your lack of humaity and compassion with that of the Irish health care system either....
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blathin: And openly gossiping about someone in such a meanspirited manner, where they can read it, is perfectly ok then is it?
Just in case you're struggling to answer that... it's just as bad , in fact that's even nastier...it's ganging up on someone, .which makes you no better...
So much for all your co[y and paste "words of wisdom BS"....
if you've something to say to someone say to them directly, give them the right of reply.....not this group passive-aggressive crap you seem to go on with when you want to take a swipe at someone...tis the lowest form of nasty ....and it seems an all too regular feature on the forums as well...
Yes it is ok imo.Just in case you're struggling to answer that... it's just as bad , in fact that's even nastier...it's ganging up on someone, .which makes you no better...
So much for all your co[y and paste "words of wisdom BS"....
if you've something to say to someone say to them directly, give them the right of reply.....not this group passive-aggressive crap you seem to go on with when you want to take a swipe at someone...tis the lowest form of nasty ....and it seems an all too regular feature on the forums as well...
And I have spoken to him directly on a number of occasions.
As for taking a swipe at someone, there's no one better than you on here for that kind of behaviour....imo.
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I don't think that anyone will ever be able to suss out a person's mind, whether a professional or not. 2 of my friends lost their sons due to suicide. They were both married with young children. Their families were devastated as there were no signs of any changes.
When I worked with EDT "Emergency Social Workers" on night duty. I received a call from the Police stating that a man in his late 60's early 70's had barricaded himself in the farmhouse that he'd rented for over 30 years. Worked the farm for all those years. The owner of the farm had given him notice to leave as he wanted to sell up. The man couldn't afford to buy him out so the farmer barricaded himself in the farmhouse and had a shotgun which he had a license for. He didn't intend to harm anyone but himself but he went quietly with the Police and Social Worker and was sectioned. He spent 2 months in Hospital where he was closely monitored. After those 2 months, he was allowed to go back to the farm as he was deemed fit after 2 months of monitoring and care and showed no signs of agitation or change in habit etc. He had the crisis nurses visiting him every day which was recorded but yet he still turned the shotgun on himself
I will never forget this.
We can't keep blaming the NHS or whatever people call the Nursing profession. You can't handcuff a mentally ill patient to a member of staff 24/7. Forgive me for saying this but, if one of my son's or my daughter was admitted to Hospital re Mental Health then, I would stay there with them 24/7 as a mother. I wouldn't expect staff members to do a job that family members can't do. Then blame the NHS for something that a parent or other family members should do with the help of the NHS.
When I worked with EDT "Emergency Social Workers" on night duty. I received a call from the Police stating that a man in his late 60's early 70's had barricaded himself in the farmhouse that he'd rented for over 30 years. Worked the farm for all those years. The owner of the farm had given him notice to leave as he wanted to sell up. The man couldn't afford to buy him out so the farmer barricaded himself in the farmhouse and had a shotgun which he had a license for. He didn't intend to harm anyone but himself but he went quietly with the Police and Social Worker and was sectioned. He spent 2 months in Hospital where he was closely monitored. After those 2 months, he was allowed to go back to the farm as he was deemed fit after 2 months of monitoring and care and showed no signs of agitation or change in habit etc. He had the crisis nurses visiting him every day which was recorded but yet he still turned the shotgun on himself
I will never forget this. We can't keep blaming the NHS or whatever people call the Nursing profession. You can't handcuff a mentally ill patient to a member of staff 24/7. Forgive me for saying this but, if one of my son's or my daughter was admitted to Hospital re Mental Health then, I would stay there with them 24/7 as a mother. I wouldn't expect staff members to do a job that family members can't do. Then blame the NHS for something that a parent or other family members should do with the help of the NHS.
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Miss_Cellaneous: I don't think that anyone will ever be able to suss out a person's mind, whether a professional or not. 2 of my friends lost their sons due to suicide. They were both married with young children. Their families were devastated as there were no signs of any changes.
When I worked with EDT "Emergency Social Workers" on night duty. I received a call from the Police stating that a man in his late 60's early 70's had barricaded himself in the farmhouse that he'd rented for over 30 years. Worked the farm for all those years. The owner of the farm had given him notice to leave as he wanted to sell up. The man couldn't afford to buy him out so the farmer barricaded himself in the farmhouse and had a shotgun which he had a license for. He didn't intend to harm anyone but himself but he went quietly with the Police and Social Worker and was sectioned. He spent 2 months in Hospital where he was closely monitored. After those 2 months, he was allowed to go back to the farm as he was deemed fit after 2 months of monitoring and care and showed no signs of agitation or change in habit etc. He had the crisis nurses visiting him every day which was recorded but yet he still turned the shotgun on himself I will never forget this.
We can't keep blaming the NHS or whatever people call the Nursing profession. You can't handcuff a mentally ill patient to a member of staff 24/7. Forgive me for saying this but, if one of my son's or my daughter was admitted to Hospital re Mental Health then, I would stay there with them 24/7 as a mother. I wouldn't expect staff members to do a job that family members can't do. Then blame the NHS for something that a parent or other family members should do with the help of the NHS.
Sorry for your losses MissC.When I worked with EDT "Emergency Social Workers" on night duty. I received a call from the Police stating that a man in his late 60's early 70's had barricaded himself in the farmhouse that he'd rented for over 30 years. Worked the farm for all those years. The owner of the farm had given him notice to leave as he wanted to sell up. The man couldn't afford to buy him out so the farmer barricaded himself in the farmhouse and had a shotgun which he had a license for. He didn't intend to harm anyone but himself but he went quietly with the Police and Social Worker and was sectioned. He spent 2 months in Hospital where he was closely monitored. After those 2 months, he was allowed to go back to the farm as he was deemed fit after 2 months of monitoring and care and showed no signs of agitation or change in habit etc. He had the crisis nurses visiting him every day which was recorded but yet he still turned the shotgun on himself I will never forget this.
We can't keep blaming the NHS or whatever people call the Nursing profession. You can't handcuff a mentally ill patient to a member of staff 24/7. Forgive me for saying this but, if one of my son's or my daughter was admitted to Hospital re Mental Health then, I would stay there with them 24/7 as a mother. I wouldn't expect staff members to do a job that family members can't do. Then blame the NHS for something that a parent or other family members should do with the help of the NHS.
The thing is psychiatric wards have their own protocol. The parents are only allowed on the ward during visiting hours. If someone was on suicide watch they would be on a level 3 ward with locked doors and a member of staff assigned to them 24h while they're on suicide watch. It would also mean they've been sectioned so they can't harm themself or others. However, if they have to go into a main ward of a general hospital for any reason the member of staff assigned to them would need to go with them and sit by their bed. It's not up to the parents. Even if you were able to stay with your child 24/7 at some point you'd fall asleep. Staff work shifts and work in teams. It's impossible for 1 person to watch someone 24/7 on their own.
I hope you never have to put it ti the test MissC
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That's very sad news, my thoughts are with those who lost a loved relative. Behind a famous person is a grieving Mother.
Of course she's going to say stuff, maybe highlight a shortcoming in the process. But we should kind of respect the situation more than a tabloid headline.
Of course she's going to say stuff, maybe highlight a shortcoming in the process. But we should kind of respect the situation more than a tabloid headline.
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Youcannow: Tell those stupid Irish who don’t think the upbringing had anything to do with his metal Heath .
Upbringing is more than the parents. There's an epidemic of male suicide anyway. And Sinead was right about the Catholic church and what about the victims of grooming gangs? Did they deserve what the authorities did to them because they didn't have the best parents? It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
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mikey4691: Good lord, why would you keep bothering??
Because I had totally glossed over the loss of his friend and because I like clarity. All our experiences impact us and then we tend to think 'how it happened to us or around us is the only way it is' ...
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ChesneyChrist: Upbringing is more than the parents. There's an epidemic of male suicide anyway. And Sinead was right about the Catholic church and what about the victims of grooming gangs? Did they deserve what the authorities did to them because they didn't have the best parents?
It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
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ChesneyChrist: Upbringing is more than the parents. There's an epidemic of male suicide anyway. And Sinead was right about the Catholic church and what about the victims of grooming gangs? Did they deserve what the authorities did to them because they didn't have the best parents?
It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
Maybe the church has something to do with the high rate of suicide, I don’t know , nor do I know the full facts as to why the child developed his mental illness. It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
I’m still adamant that his child rearing played a major factor.
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Selenite: Because I had totally glossed over the loss of his friend and because I like clarity.
All our experiences impact us and then we tend to think 'how it happened to us or around us is the only way it is' ...
Eh, that guy is just trollin, but carry on... All our experiences impact us and then we tend to think 'how it happened to us or around us is the only way it is' ...
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Youcannow: Maybe the church has something to do with the high rate of suicide, I don’t know , nor do I know the full facts as to why the child developed his mental illness.
I’m still adamant that his child rearing played a major factor.
You seem to forget that child had a father, you just blame his mother! I also told you he was under his father’s care but you glossed over that fact too.I’m still adamant that his child rearing played a major factor.
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ChesneyChrist: Upbringing is more than the parents. There's an epidemic of male suicide anyway. And Sinead was right about the Catholic church and what about the victims of grooming gangs? Did they deserve what the authorities did to them because they didn't have the best parents?
It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
It's unfortunate that those who have had the hardest life already will be abused and neglected because they've had a hard life. It gives people the excuse not to maintain standards, oh they deserved to be let down anyway.
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Nules: You seem to forget that child had a father, you just blame his mother! I also told you he was under his father’s care but you glossed over that fact too.
Maybe the absence of his mother may have played a major role. We don’t know the full facts .
All I’m saying that Sinead lifestyle may have contributed to his mental illness.
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