Christian terrorism on rise ? (219)
iamwhoiamyouseeanywhere, Bavaria Germany18 Threads 2 Polls 962 PostsTerrorism has nothing to with religion except that religion is used as an excuse to commit those crimes.
Conrad73: a bit of a Timeline!
The Balkans are still dealing with the Repercussions of the Turk/Muslim Invasions!
Bosnia is just about lost,so probably is Kosovo!
The Balkans are still dealing with the Repercussions of the Turk/Muslim Invasions!
Bosnia is just about lost,so probably is Kosovo!
Islam waged war against the Late Roman Empire from the beginning. The Byzantines withstood the onslaught for 800 years before Constaninople fell, by that time the Balkans were virtually overrun, and only a battle outside Paris repulsed the western advance thus limiting the occupation to southern Spain.
Class5: Islam waged war against the Late Roman Empire from the beginning. The Byzantines withstood the onslaught for 800 years before Constaninople fell, by that time the Balkans were virtually overrun, and only a battle outside Paris repulsed the western advance thus limiting the occupation to southern Spain.
Yet the West is the Terrorist!
AtwoZ: Miss Daze,a long answer or a short one?
Ok,just a sliece of the pie..."Better world",-in other words,a better society,free from anger,hatred,violence,drugs,crime,vandalism,apathy,rapes,social decay,intellectual decline,TBC,AIDS,gun/drug/human trafficking,declining welfare,declining school results,enclaves,fear,social turmoil,national debt,mass unemployment,frustration....aso....aso....
Ok,just a sliece of the pie..."Better world",-in other words,a better society,free from anger,hatred,violence,drugs,crime,vandalism,apathy,rapes,social decay,intellectual decline,TBC,AIDS,gun/drug/human trafficking,declining welfare,declining school results,enclaves,fear,social turmoil,national debt,mass unemployment,frustration....aso....aso....
How do you really see that your "better world" described here, will come about, through the philosophy and attitude of The Oslo Rampant?
One must really be a intellectual midget if one belief in it, and emotionally damaged. Your perfect world really sounds perfect, but even if you did manage to reach some of your goals, it wouldn't be the revolution you need. And soon it would be back it its normal self again, because of the human nature itself.
The revolution you need, is nothing less than a psychological revolution, or evolution, to realize that we all are the rest of mankind, and the future is now. To see what causes the conflicts you mention, and what the solution would be, should really be a child's task, if one wasn't so cluttered up by ones own thoughts and ideas, beliefs, prejudices etc.
It has nothing to do with us as Scandinavians or Americans, the Chinese or Middle-Eastern. The Muslims or the Catholics, Protestants, Hindu, Buddhists, and so on. We have had less than 300 years of world peace through the recorded history of mankind - and during all that time, we have been revolting, reforming, creating groups, organizations, religions, political ideologies, all in the name of "creating a better world". Some of them has been ridiculously well thought through, but they all failed, we are still failing, and that should project the future of yours.
A projection of mine, of the Oslo rampant philosophy, is the blood of the innocents
Any revolutionist for a better world, who beliefs in violence is a hypocrite doomed to failure. And I'd like to believe it isn't my opinion, but a actuality we have seen repeated itself again and again through the last 5000 years.
Except, if your plan for a better world, is a better world for you, your friends, your "accepted audience" - we will see how you're going to sell that plan to us others.
one incident really now...what happened in Oslo is horrible, but i dont think u can start linking it
The price for participating, is to acquire the intellectual skill to debate it.
Wouldn't it be philosophically impossible to use violence for ones belief, unless one accept EVERYONE using guns and violence for their belief? How would that be?
Wouldn't it be philosophically impossible to use violence for ones belief, unless one accept EVERYONE using guns and violence for their belief? How would that be?
steveurfriend: This poll is to put your opinion on - if christian terrorism is on rise particularly in europe.
The horrific event in Oslo has brought the cat out of the box.
According to recent study the seeds of the christian terrorism is linked to rise in right wing political ideology which is seen to be rising in past 20 years or so...
The horrific event in Oslo has brought the cat out of the box.
According to recent study the seeds of the christian terrorism is linked to rise in right wing political ideology which is seen to be rising in past 20 years or so...
You mention a "recent study" I would really like to see that if you could post a link I would appreciate it.
Unfortunately, there's not a lot of information yet about this guy. To be sure he has expressed that he's both pro Judeo/Christian and anti Muslim but I have seen nothng to indicate this act of stupidity/hate/terrorism was motivated by his religious faith or any evidence to show he's affiliated with any Christian groups/churches. This seems more political than religious in nature otherwise he would have been screaming whatever it is Christians scream that equates to "Allah Akbar" as he was murdering those innocent people.
steveurfriend: This poll is to put your opinion on - if christian terrorism is on rise particularly in europe.
<---- Women terrorizer ...
The hysteria begins......
Sparky55: You mention a "recent study" I would really like to see that if you could post a link I would appreciate it.
Unfortunately, there's not a lot of information yet about this guy. To be sure he has expressed that he's both pro Judeo/Christian and anti Muslim but I have seen nothng to indicate this act of stupidity/hate/terrorism was motivated by his religious faith or any evidence to show he's affiliated with any Christian groups/churches. This seems more political than religious in nature otherwise he would have been screaming whatever it is Christians scream that equates to "Allah Akbar" as he was murdering those innocent people.
Unfortunately, there's not a lot of information yet about this guy. To be sure he has expressed that he's both pro Judeo/Christian and anti Muslim but I have seen nothng to indicate this act of stupidity/hate/terrorism was motivated by his religious faith or any evidence to show he's affiliated with any Christian groups/churches. This seems more political than religious in nature otherwise he would have been screaming whatever it is Christians scream that equates to "Allah Akbar" as he was murdering those innocent people.
He has written a 2083 page manifesto and claiming it to be working on it for past 9 years.. with help from people like him from all over the europe and states.. now what does that mean ?
Google it...
steveurfriend: He has written a 2083 page manifesto and claiming it to be working on it for past 9 years.. with help from people like him from all over the europe and states.. now what does that mean ?
Google it...
Google it...
That the internet makes it easier for crazy people to find each other?
His attorney says that (and I quote) "he was motivated by a desire to bring a revolution in Norwegian society". and "He wanted a change in society and from his perspective, he needed to force thru a revolution."
That fits the definition of a anarchist.
That fits the definition of a anarchist.
Conrad73: a bit of a Timeline!
The Balkans are still dealing with the Repercussions of the Turk/Muslim Invasions!
Bosnia is just about lost,so probably is Kosovo!
The Balkans are still dealing with the Repercussions of the Turk/Muslim Invasions!
Bosnia is just about lost,so probably is Kosovo!
Exactly, and we got plenty of those here in Slovenia - - - The way Albanians do it, is simply move in, and out-breed the local population and then they declare independence - - - And the local Bosnians in Slovenia, the generation that was born here, has no respect for the country. We have lot's of problems with them, crime wise. Literally taking over some towns that were by nationality Slovenian - - - - - They act as if they own the place - - - - We got problems with them Thou not all of them are like that of course, one of my best friends is a Muslim and a Bosnian, but he is a good man - - - - but one can not overlook the bigger issue of those people, that moved here in the good old days, for work, for better life - - - -stayed here - - -jet still even after 30 years or more didn't learn the language properly, and their kids, do speak Slovenian, but simply speak and act, like as if they are in Bosnia - - - - - The intolerance towards them is growing, Albanians and Bosnians - - - - I am all for cultural exchange, the only thing that does bug me allot - - - if you live in the country that gave you good opportunity, then respect the country - - -we took countless refuges when there was war in Bosnia, I lost two cousins in that war, I was there on peace making and peace keeping missions - - - - and for what- - - - so some brat will disrespect me in my own country - - - - -
steveurfriend: He has written a 2083 page manifesto and claiming it to be working on it for past 9 years.. with help from people like him from all over the europe and states.. now what does that mean ?
Google it...
Google it...
I think it's safe to say we're not dealing with a rational person here. He "Claims" he's worked on his little manifesto with others but if we've already determined he's a nut job, who's to say this isn't simply a lie. That's not to say there aren't other's like him and they congregate in cyber space with shared interests (warped as they are) just like those here in CS.
This appears to be something that is important to you. Being a Muslim, some could and some do see your posts as biased against Christians and Jews because you're a Muslim. If this were accurate, there would be others in and outside these forums who feel the same way and would be prepared to jump on the same band wagon as you and denounce all Christians/Jews based on the actions of one murdering terrorist who happens to claim being a Christian.
It seems you have come to an incorrect conclusion and have decided to create a Christian or Jewish terrorist organization based on the Oslo terrorist act. I would have thought that being a Muslim and going through the constant scrutiny and distrust many Muslims have had to endure after the countless claimed "Islamic/Jihadists" attacks, you would understand this. Apparantly this isn't the case.
By the way, I asked before for the "recent study" refernced in your first post. Do you have a link to this?
gininitaly: That the internet makes it easier for crazy people to find each other?
I would say something but I'm probably one of those crazy people... 
In theory no land is own by anyone .. anyone can move in and yes outbreed the locals, the locals will try to protect there position by resisting the foreign ideology and in first case the foreign idea try to adapt in the new environment and locals try to adopt the foreign .. this leads to friction but in long term either one succeed in. But in most cases it is the foreign force which takes over the local
I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
steveurfriend: In theory no land is own by anyone .. anyone can move in and yes outbreed the locals, the locals will try to protect there position by resisting the foreign ideology and in first case the foreign idea try to adapt in the new environment and locals try to adopt the foreign .. this leads to friction but in long term either one succeed in. But in most cases it is the foreign force which takes over the local
I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
no land is own by anyone :tell that to the folks that collect my land taxes I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
Money wasted on the space program : We are by nature, it seems explorers and Conquerors .....why did you climb the mountain sort of thing.....We as humans simply cannot resist this basic need to learn and often conqueror as much as we can.
We all have this explorer in us to some degree or we would never wish to travel learn other cultures,see other land and try to take thier women ,and that brings us back to space. Let's face it space chicks are the most exotic (watch "Star Trek" they even come in green)
Unlike many "foreigners" on here, I'm not familiar w/Norwegian politics.
Do political parties "sponsor" children's activities?
Just wondering?
Do political parties "sponsor" children's activities?
Just wondering?
Conrad73: Bull-Fertilizer!
give timothy mcveigh a kiss connie.
olaix: The price for participating, is to acquire the intellectual skill to debate it.
Wouldn't it be philosophically impossible to use violence for ones belief, unless one accept EVERYONE using guns and violence for their belief? How would that be?
Wouldn't it be philosophically impossible to use violence for ones belief, unless one accept EVERYONE using guns and violence for their belief? How would that be?
We have our won Christian terrorism right here in the Bible Belt .......in the form of voting .....
raphael118: give timothy mcveigh a kiss connie.
you do it when you meet him in hell!chococherrie: one incident really now...what happened in Oslo is horrible, but i dont think u can start linking it
Do you want thousands such attacks to confirm...
this is not atomic research where you need five sigma probability to prove it..
steveurfriend: In theory no land is own by anyone .. anyone can move in and yes outbreed the locals, the locals will try to protect there position by resisting the foreign ideology and in first case the foreign idea try to adapt in the new environment and locals try to adopt the foreign .. this leads to friction but in long term either one succeed in. But in most cases it is the foreign force which takes over the local
I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
I think this is natural phenomenon..
I will take this point further.. the billions and trillions of dollars wasted and still is been wasted in going to space .. to do what .. to find aliens (ask SETI)
Is that not the logic of Muslims used to press Christian and Jews out of the Muslim world after the Crusades? What Chrisitans and Jews owned in property, was not theirs. But rather was anyone ...and anyone can move into occupy it? Anyone just happened to be the stronger and larger Muslim communities of the region?
Christian terrorism doesn't exist any more than Islamic terrorism exists.
All terrorism is political in nature.
It's about controlling people through fear.
All terrorism is political in nature.
It's about controlling people through fear.
He wanted to market his ideology ... it was an marketing stunt of very very very bad and horrible taste of a sick minded guys sick ideology
his ideology stems from his religious and political beliefs
his ideology stems from his religious and political beliefs
steveurfriend: He wanted to market his ideology ... it was an marketing stunt of very very very bad and horrible taste of a sick minded guys sick ideologyhis ideology stems from his religious and political beliefs
What Ideology?
Conrad73: What Ideology?
And what religious beliefs? And how is this an act of terrorism rather than a simple case of mass murder? Terrorism is designed to be a seemingly random act for the purpose of achieving a political goal. By killing a bunch of people and imprisoning the main leader of the organization which effectively ends the political life of the group, it also ends the goal.
Compared to Islamic Qutbist organizations this one man show is nothing and this thread is crap posted by a terrorist apologist.
Conrad73: Your post actually reflects your Mindset,not Rand's!
Not at all Conrad.
I summed up Rand's philosophy as
"Society must be destroyed before real liberty can emerge"
My philosophy is considerably different.
I don't promote destroying society or seizing control as Rand does.
Instead I promote living within society but not falling for its lies and propaganda, nor considering myself as "belonging" to society.
As Abraham said: As "a stranger in a strange land".
Corrupt societies will indeed always fall, often at the hands of some fiery leader and lots of idiots who have been duped into thinking that the new boss will be better than the old boss.
My position is that it is not my fight, nor my country.
I won't pledge allegiance to any country or to any revolution.
My allegiance is already spoken for.
Ayn Rand says that selfish unbelievers will inherit the earth.
Jesus says that world belongs to those of faith, the merciful, the meek, the peacemakers, (etc).
They can't both be right.
RayfromUSA: Not at all Conrad.
I summed up Rand's philosophy as
"Society must be destroyed before real liberty can emerge"
My philosophy is considerably different.
I don't promote destroying society or seizing control as Rand does.
Instead I promote living within society but not falling for its lies and propaganda, nor considering myself as "belonging" to society.
As Abraham said: As "a stranger in a strange land".
Corrupt societies will indeed always fall, often at the hands of some fiery leader and lots of idiots who have been duped into thinking that the new boss will be better than the old boss.
My position is that it is not my fight, nor my country.
I won't pledge allegiance to any country or to any revolution.
My allegiance is already spoken for.
Ayn Rand says that selfish unbelievers will inherit the earth.
Jesus says that world belongs to those of faith, the merciful, the meek, the peacemakers, (etc).
They can't both be right.
Reflecting your Mindset,Ray!I summed up Rand's philosophy as
"Society must be destroyed before real liberty can emerge"
My philosophy is considerably different.
I don't promote destroying society or seizing control as Rand does.
Instead I promote living within society but not falling for its lies and propaganda, nor considering myself as "belonging" to society.
As Abraham said: As "a stranger in a strange land".
Corrupt societies will indeed always fall, often at the hands of some fiery leader and lots of idiots who have been duped into thinking that the new boss will be better than the old boss.
My position is that it is not my fight, nor my country.
I won't pledge allegiance to any country or to any revolution.
My allegiance is already spoken for.
Ayn Rand says that selfish unbelievers will inherit the earth.
Jesus says that world belongs to those of faith, the merciful, the meek, the peacemakers, (etc).
They can't both be right.
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